Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia

[IONAGIRL]

Hi Ionagirl, thanks for your input. You sound as though you think there could be a school connection?

Do you happen to remember anything about school bus runs when you were at school? Is it likely that students from Iona, MLC, Hollywood HS etc would have been on the same school runs?

I have been reading about Sharon Mason since I first saw your post- very sad, and there does seem to be some doubt around the original conviction.

Hi Mel1303

I have always wondered if a school connection... At the time, I heard that Jane had worked in the Iona library at some point.. how true that is I am not sure.... staff there do not turnover reguarly... mid 40's and my yr 1 teacher is still there, although no longer in a teaching capacity.... sports teachers.. gardeners... cooks.... external staff eg jujitzu instructors... guitar tutors ...so many avenues to explore... any of whom may have offered a lift to Ciara and Sarah... what were Jane's interests at school I wonder, perhaps there could be a link that way??

There wouldnt have been private bus runs combining those schools, only the public transport system in which case it is very like students from all of those schools could have been connected. Also sporting events... we had interschool which involved "the 8" ie Iona, MLC, PLC, Penrhos, St Hildas etc.. but not Hollywood as that is public. Also rowing/swim/athletics clubs etc that may have combined public and private in the area...

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[Bartholemeus]

Hi Ionagirl, thanks for your input. You sound as though you think there could be a school connection?

Do you happen to remember anything about school bus runs when you were at school? Is it likely that students from Iona, MLC, Hollywood HS etc would have been on the same school runs?

I have been reading about Sharon Mason since I first saw your post- very sad, and there does seem to be some doubt around the original conviction.

I doubt there would be a link.

Hollywood students would have used Shenton Park train station. School finished at 3:05pm, 8min walk down Smyth Rd to the station. Iona students would either get the train from Mosman Park Station or a 103 bus on Stirling Hwy (right next to the train station). It's more than a 15 minute walk and I believe school finished at 3:30pm.

Private transport wise, each private school uses a different bus service for their internal use (usually sport and excursion related)

I can't see any link here.

 

[Jezz]

To suggest these girls were prechosen would require a level of luck for the killer that is completely improbable.

I'm going for the wrong place wrong time theory. Killer was opportunistic and these girls just happened to be the unlucky ones.

 

[Shadowboxer]

To suggest these girls were prechosen would require a level of luck for the killer that is completely improbable.

I'm going for the wrong place wrong time theory. Killer was opportunistic and these girls just happened to be the unlucky ones.

Agreed, the girls were just unlucky to have jumped in the wrong car.

 

[Hermithead]

With WA Premier Colin Barnett ruling out an inquest on national television to me that is saying he doesn’t have any confidence in it leading to an arrest. His Liberal party and his leadership are trailing in the polls so you would think that if he was advised an inquest would almost certainly or at least likely lead to a conviction then he would go for it.

To be the government that launched the inquiry that led to solving the Claremont Serial Murders would be a political masterstroke. In politics you only fight battles you know you can win.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/a/28303821/mcgowan-promises-murder-inquiry/
http://polling.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl

 

[ExcaliburX]

10 December 2014

Suspicious fire at 435 Marmion Street Myaree WA

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-...te-second-fire-in-myaree-in-four-days/5960520

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/arson-squad-investigates-myaree-day-spa-fire-20141211-124rkd.html

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-32...1e1!3m2!1sS63s65jmNn6ChoHW0qLT-A!2e0?hl=en-au

This is the very house that Droc claimed to have lived at the time of CSK murders with his then girlfriend, where he claims TT kept his Bedford van (when he wasn't driving taxis) and where he alleges the group involved had a meeting shortly after the CG murder.

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/108027_9f9181e1ba895a91778a2ee558cbcfca.pdf

These papers were originally posted on another website by Droc (after both the fire and the police interview), then quickly deleted by him, and then reposted by me when found online.

18 December 2014 (one week later)

Droc is interviewed by WA Police regarding the CSK investigation where he refused to complete a questionnaire or provide DNA.

Police would not comment on his account of the interview.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...uest-dna-samples/story-fnhocxo3-1227168035093

Remarkable timing for a suspicious fire at the house he lived in at the time of the murders just prior to being interviewed by police regarding the investigation.

In fact on reflection, he is the only person announced in the media as being recently interviewed by the police in connection with the investigation.

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/...100109888&v35={]0[}{]0[}{]0[}{]0[}&v46=342133

Was closely associated with a church in Beaconsfield. Abbati. Pretty tight with John too. Knew some musicians as well in his day. And had access to dozens of cars since he was released from prison.

Sensational claims in his final bigfooty post on 18 March too (about CSK, GR and others).

His photography isn't as good as his associate TT, judging from the picture of the swamp adorning his FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/noel.coward.3785

Any ideas on what that is all about? Does it hold some symbolism?

Taxi driver TT has some disturbing photography and commentary:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40680616@N06/4700133475/

Not sure what he means by his associated comment - "Very old and warn, what stories this cake knife could tell." What stories could they tell TT?

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/posts/822376634464091

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/posts/655010751200681

https://www.facebook.com/SlutWalkPerth/posts/169347849869233

PS: Wasn't Fremantle Prison where David Birnie (who lived in the adjoining suburb to Myaree, Willagee) was initially incarcerated after his crimes in the mid 1980's - with the Stirling Highway his hunting zone and pine forests north and south of Perth his disposal sites. Then Casuarina.

Proverbs 21:15

 

[Mel 1303]

To suggest these girls were prechosen would require a level of luck for the killer that is completely improbable.

I'm going for the wrong place wrong time theory. Killer was opportunistic and these girls just happened to be the unlucky ones.

I agree, I dont believe that these young women were selected prior to their abduction and murder. I was more wondering if loose connection with the killer might have made each or one or two of the women let their guard down- "hey, I remember you from school/ tennis/ the bus" kind of thing.

 

[Ian Moone]

I was asked - whether Wark killed the other 2 CSK victims besides just Jane Rimmer?

Wark Killed Ciara!

It would be "easy" from this to say - well yes he MAY have killed Ciara Glennon as well - however a 3 word matrix statistically isn't overly meaningful.

The 5 word search parameters that I entered.. were:-

Frank
Wark
Killed
Ciara
Glennon

So only finding "3 of the 5" search terms isn't statistically at all "definitive".
Yes it suggests that Wark might well be responsible for at least 2 of the 3 CSK victims but it isn't conclusive proof on its own.

 

[Hermithead]

Great work and a great read! I am glad I went through it all.

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/...e558cbcfca.pdf

What exactly is the motive here for changing his story.. is it not wanting to provide an illegal activity (marijuana smoking) as an alibi to police which would be understandable? Or had CG's murder been made public at this stage and his modified alibi was an attempt to avoid suspicion? A weak alibi seeing the cab fares that he mentions could be confirmed by the taxi company - if this was checked of course.

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/...100109888&v35={]0[}{]0[}{]0[}{]0[}&v46=342133

How much credibility do police give to ex-criminals as witnesses?

 

[Shadowboxer]

10 December 2014

Suspicious fire at 435 Marmion Street Myaree WA

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-...te-second-fire-in-myaree-in-four-days/5960520

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/arson-squad-investigates-myaree-day-spa-fire-20141211-124rkd.html

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-32...1e1!3m2!1sS63s65jmNn6ChoHW0qLT-A!2e0?hl=en-au

This is the very house that Droc claimed to have lived at the time of CSK murders with his then girlfriend, where he claims TT kept his Bedford van (when he wasn't driving taxis) and where he alleges the group involved had a meeting shortly after the CG murder.

The address 435 Marmion Street Myaree can be found on the first page of the following legal document (sworn or affirmed):

http://cdndata.bigfooty.com/2015/02/108027_9f9181e1ba895a91778a2ee558cbcfca.pdf

These papers were originally posted on another website by Droc (after both the fire and the police interview), then quickly deleted by him, and then reposted by me when found online.

18 December 2014 (one week later)

Droc is interviewed by WA Police regarding the CSK investigation where he refused to complete a questionnaire or provide DNA.

Police would not comment on his account of the interview.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...uest-dna-samples/story-fnhocxo3-1227168035093

Remarkable timing for a suspicious fire at the house he lived in at the time of the murders just prior to being interviewed by police regarding the investigation.

In fact on reflection, he is the only person announced in the media as being recently interviewed by the police in connection with the investigation.

Remarkable life given his interview which you can find more about below:

http://library.fremantle.wa.gov.au/...100109888&v35={]0[}{]0[}{]0[}{]0[}&v46=342133

Was closely associated with a church in Beaconsfield. Abbati. Pretty tight with John too. Knew some musicians as well in his day. And had access to dozens of cars since he was released from prison.

Sensational claims in his final bigfooty post on 18 March too (about CSK, GR and others).

His photography isn't as good as his associate TT, judging from the picture of the swamp adorning his FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/noel.coward.3785

Any ideas on what that is all about? Does it hold some symbolism?

Taxi driver TT has some disturbing photography and commentary:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40680616@N06/4700133475/

Not sure what he means by his associated comment - "Very old and warn, what stories this cake knife could tell." What stories could they tell TT?

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/posts/822376634464091

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/posts/655010751200681

https://www.facebook.com/SlutWalkPerth/posts/169347849869233

PS: Wasn't Fremantle Prison where David Birnie (who lived in the adjoining suburb to Myaree, Willagee) was initially incarcerated after his crimes in the mid 1980's - with the Stirling Highway his hunting zone and pine forests north and south of Perth his disposal sites. Then Casuarina.

Proverbs 21:15

Very comprehensive and interesting post Ex. I don't buy into the group theory of drocs at all. The profile say's different. I think Droc is more suss than TT, and TT considers himself a bit of a photographer? Looks Amateurish with a queer mix of a natural kook in his art. Potions and stars, very 70's drug fueled rock star and a ray gun... How Frankenfurter of him. His profile pics are the only thing that makes me think SK. And his knife comment... Is that how he see's himself? Creepy shiz. The one thing I take from the recent interview and dna request is that they still don't have a hundred percenter they are just waiting on the evidence for. If you post enough wacked out shiz your bound to be sussed though yeah, and Droc done that in smoking aces. Group nah... TT a long shot but still not someone I would not want in my circle. Droc and this fire is a thought provoking coincidence... Explosions aye. Your a great sleuth mate, thanks for the interesting update. As you said Proverbs....

 

[Shadowboxer]

Great work and a great read! I am glad I went through it all.



What exactly is the motive here for changing his story.. is it not wanting to provide an illegal activity (marijuana smoking) as an alibi to police which would be understandable? Or had CG's murder been made public at this stage and his modified alibi was an attempt to avoid suspicion? A weak alibi seeing the cab fares that he mentions could be confirmed by the taxi company - if this was checked of course.



How much credibility do police give to ex-criminals as witnesses?

Just because they are criminals doesn't necessarily make them pathological liars. But when you get into the sicko branch of rapists and killers i'd say it's the norm.

 

[Matt82]

Hi all, just a test post to see if I can put something on. Will post later with my ideas on CSK. Nothing revolutionary, no bs, mult aliases, name calling, wild theories. Just curious as to what happened to these women and feel for their families.

 

[Bartholemeus]

The whole Droc thing is interesting. He was onto TT early in the piece and has shown us evidence that Police lost his information. I even recall reading an article about flaws in the Macro evidence gathering (it was a WAPOL shortcoming that affected the Macro investigation). We can all be nice about it and pretend it didn't happen but there's no doubt Police made massive errors in this case. I think the Police are the only ones denying it these days. Police very rarely publicly admit fault.

As far as I understand, Droc submitted his claims long before LW was a suspect so this was before Macro were "allegedly" tunnel visioned on LW. Furthermore, at the time the police were all over the taxi driver theory.

We can only assume TT was investigated properly.

Some of Droc's evidence was quite compelling. There's no doubt he was convinced TT is the CSK. He started at the CSK being TT then some woman named Michelle who was a prostitute and involved in the killings, to a group of people making a snuff movie.

I wonder what made Droc so convinced? Did TT steal his dream girl and that made Droc bitter and twisted? Had TT been screwing with Droc's head? That comment about the cake knife - there's lots of little comments like that on the internet by TT. Did TT find out Droc put his name up early and ever since has been saying and doing things to make Droc think it's him?

If Droc was the CSK then why would he approach police and say it is someone else? That is just drawing attention.

 

[Hermithead]

Some of Droc's evidence was quite compelling.

Where do we get hold off this evidence?

 

[Shadowboxer]

If Droc was the CSK then why would he approach police and say it is someone else? That is just drawing attention.

Or a desperate attempt too unflag himself when feeling the heat was on even if it wasn't out of guilt? The whole group into snuff films is just drivel. Who know's what his agenda was. I would like to know if Droc had access to any taxi's around that time? This fire with explosions sounds really suss considering it was his home when the murders took place.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Where do we get hold off this evidence?

Read the big footy thread.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Or a desperate attempt too unflag himself when feeling the heat was on even if it wasn't out of guilt? The whole group into snuff films is just drivel. Who know's what his agenda was. I would like to know if Droc had access to any taxi's around that time? This fire with explosions sounds really suss considering it was his home when the murders took place.

He was onto TT very early. For Droc to push blame onto someone else means he must have been an initial suspect.
Droc hammered Macro/Wapol for years and years when he would not have been a suspect.

The suspected arson and its timing is a bit sus.

From memory Droc went to jail for a sex crime? Can anyone confirm? Could he have been the "known sexual pervert" that was mentioned on CIA? Or I assume that is more likely to be the dude with the lined boot.

 

[Shadowboxer]

He was onto TT very early. For Droc to push blame onto someone else means he must have been an initial suspect.
Droc hammered Macro/Wapol for years and years when he would not have been a suspect.

The suspected arson and its timing is a bit sus.

From memory Droc went to jail for a sex crime? Can anyone confirm? Could he have been the "known sexual pervert" that was mentioned on CIA? Or I assume that is more likely to be the dude with the lined boot.

Did he just... The plot thickens. He's a top 3 for me now and his passion for making up this group story shows a bit of phsycosis if you ask me anyway. I really wonder if he had access to a Taxi. Was he once friends with TT? Didn't TT from memory have Taxi's out the back?

 

[Matt82]

Meh. A house he was in at some stage had a fire? Hardly evidence he is somehow involved. I think despite his tendency for paranoia and hyperbole, that poster had some interesting information. I find it interesting that the police appear to be pumping out fairly lightweight news stories with **** all new info in them. The only explanation I could come up with is that they might be working on assumptions based on this killer'(s) profile. If other serial killers are anything to go by, this killer is likely highly narcissistic and wants to relish the sense of power they experience seeing the police appear with little to no useful leads on who was responsible. Maybe Police are feeding pissweak stories to the media (eg. Snr detective asked David Birnie for his advice about CSK) that reinforce how little they know, trying to appeal to the killer's need to feel in control of the situation and one step ahead. They may have their eye on a POI, hoping they will gloat to someone or reveal key details.

 

[Matt82]

PS it isn't me. I was in year 9-10 in regional WA. Every person who makes a comment is inevitably accused at some stage.