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I want to thank David Lohr, a Websleuths member, who fought hard to get through the red tape , for weeks, to bring to the public the full tapes of Jodi's interrogations and took the time to make the daily trial footage videos, every day, taking out all of the sidebars. ( Many copied his videos, uploaded them to their own channels and reposted them as if they were the ones that did the work, but it was DAVID LOHR who did. ) It changed my life to be able to watch HIS videos, cutting the time of the day in half. ( Never seen every objection to be made to be handled at the bench, as in this case, ever. ) It was a labor, and David, THANK YOU!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/CrimeTimeVids?feature=watch


http://youtu.be/r4MPa7QB880
 
Have another question. Why didn't JM check with both walmarts in Salinas just to be on the safe side? You know the defense is going to say she returned it to the other one!

It was pointed out here that the second Walmart did not open until 2010
 
Yep. Yawning. Smirking. Laughing. Taking gleeful peeks at the crime scene photos.

I tell you, it did me so much good to hear JM tell the whole world the ugly truth about JA. She was humiliated yesterday. Mocked and humiliated. I'm so glad! JM mentioned her snapping, smirking and 'apparent' crying. So good. I want more!

Yes, honestly? I believe she gets satisfaction looking at those pictures. There was not one she did not look at from what I saw.
Also do you know anyone whose tears flow through their nose??? lol
And JW I have had enough of her smirks and eye rolling too.
 
Good Morning!

Wow again. I have a question?

WHY is there not a guard to take JA out as soon as court is dismissed? She sits there free as a bird. Why is that, does anyone know. She should be shackled as soon as the jurors leave and taken out?

:seeya: Morning! Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but I was getting seriously concerned yesterday when, at one point during JM's closing, I noticed JA's breathing get really heavy and fast and I saw her close her hand completely around her pencil (in a fist) and hold it up by her left ear. Not to be dramatic, but it was as though she was clasping a knife handle. I don't understand why a gaurd isn't sitting closer to her at all times throughout this trial, especially considering her history with sharp objects... JMO ~
 
Mimi was the reason Travis was killed. Or the last straw that broke Jodi's camel's back.

Mimi also is the one who began the search that discovered Travis in the shower.

Was Mimi the one involved over the slashed tires, too? I can't remember now.

I must disagree with you. Jodi is the reason Travis was killed. Because Jodi is a jealous and crazy, heartless waste of being.
 
Did anyone notice how Jodi held her hand to her face to pretend fake crying. when the gruesome autopsy photos were shown of Travis...yet she peaked out of her fake crying to look at the photos...out of the corner of her eye and then fake cry again...she took a moment to look at those photos...yet trying to pretend to the jury that she is so shocked by them....Busted

As opposed to everyone else, who kept their eyes down the whole time. Some even had their entire heads down. She peaked at the photos during the ME's original testimony too.
 
I can't wait to see what Juan has up his sleeve for the BIG BANG, the last word, before the case is sent to the jury for their deliberations!!!!

I would imagine he will reiterate the BIG BANG he gave today, in addition to any new lies the defense claims tomorrow.
 
Message from Tanisha Sorenson
To All the Supporters of Travis and our Family,
As the time is now near to verdict time our family needs your support more than ever now. You all have been true examples of Christ, very giving , caring, kind hearted, and loving. The support of all of you has been heartfelt and has brought many smiles to our families faces during these hard times. We will be forever grateful !
I know that the most important thing we can all continue doing is getting down on our knees and praying to the Lord that we will have Justice for Travis here on this earth. I know there will be Justice in the life to come in the eternities but I feel that the Lord will also have his hand in bringing Justice here on earth. Our Heavenly father hears our prayers and he will answer them.
The jury will get this case on Monday the 6th and that's why I have a special request from all of you to join us as we pray and fast for the Jury, For our Family, For Travis, and For the Ultimate Justice in this case. My family and I will be fasting and praying on Sunday May 5th. I know from my own personal experience that the Lord has answered my prayers after I fasted, and that's why I know if we all do it on Sunday the 5th , he will see that we all have faith in him and that Justice is what we want and I feel he will deliver as he touches the hearts of the Jurors.
We have all been brought together thru this horrible tragedy, we have all been touched by Travis and his inspiration as he was alive, by the things he did while he was alive, and by the people he helped and served while he was alive, and because of the Death of this amazing man , we all share the love, the loss, the hope, the sorrow, the life, the faith, the gratitude, the strength, the empathy, and the unity, together. May the Lord continued to bless all of you for all the strength and love you have shown our family.
Don't be sad for Travis for he is happy, in a wonderful place doing the Lords work, he continues to teach, learn, serve, laugh, make others laugh, sing, and rejoice in happiness. He is with our Savior Jesus Christ, he is with us in our hearts and minds , and he will be with us as we get the Verdict of Guilty of first degree Murder and have Justice for him! Our family loves you all!! Our Heavenly Father loves you, and Travis loves you!!
Justice4Travis!!!
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What a lump I have in my throat right now.:please:
 
If anyone knows how to give closing arguments, it's Juan Martinez. I LOVE HIM!!!
 
That's just Dwane Cates. Pay him no mind. He's the one that gave Nurmi the idea to say Jodi returned the can to a different Walmart even though Jodi herself said already she returned it to the same Walmart.

I don't understand the logic also that the chaotic nature of the murder scene also means it wasn't premeditated. Murder is messy business, no? It doesn't mean it wasn't planned.


:pullhair: I totally agree... Hearing the above argument (bolded by me for discussion) drives me bonkers! I'd be willing to bet that JA planned to kill him in the shower (Hitchcock style), and didn't plan for Travis to be able to get out of the shower after she stabbed him in the heart. THAT'S why the job wasn't as "clean" as she had premeditated it to be. So enough with the "it was too chaotic to be premeditated" argument already!!! :banghead:
 
I can't wait to see what Juan has up his sleeve for the BIG BANG, the last word, before the case is sent to the jury for their deliberations!!!!

Think Bose DVD Player
Think Jodi's own words
Think of how many times he has quoted from trial transcripts he already had obtained from what a witness testified to, verbatim, the day before....now he has had time to get them ALL

for every single thing Nurmi tries to claim in his closing,
JM already has the defendant, or other witness prior testimony, cued up , good to go. Those little clips are his specialty.

Nurmi is going to try to take things out of context and try to blur the memory of what the jury recalls. Juan is going to say

No, ut oh, no....
here is what really happened, here is what she said to the Detective, or on day 31, at minute so and so and two seconds, it was a Wednesday, before the first break, her shoes were brown

Like all good presenters he saves the best for last.

The only thing Nurmi has got is the lies that Jodi told that Travis was such a perv and humiliated her so, tortured her so, abused her so.

In her own words, that has been disproved, repeatedly. Her own actions disprove that.

All Nurmi has is three experts who have been so thoroughly discredited, two of them may never work again in their field. They have been exposed for being completely biased and lying on the stand to the jury, and that they WERE LIED TO, not only by Joid.....wait for it......but lied to by the defense attorneys. You just can't make this stuff up!!

Juan is going to use Jodi's own police interviews, her own voice in phone calls, her media interviews, and her testimony to play back in her own voice, and video so the jury can see her own demeanor, straight faced and calm as she lied. It will be Jodi's own words, and her own little acts that do her in.

Just think of Juan with his CD in the white sleeve, pulling out the staple, walking toward the court clerk to verify the evidence stamp. Juan is going to just press play.

He is going to have his own little selections to match Nurmi's redacted audio of just Travis on the sex tape, and just the sex talk texts Travis sent.

He is going to cue up Jodi, in her own words , ACTIVELY participating, indeed leading the sex talk, and JODI's texts, asking for a good pounding, to be spanked and REQUESTING a good facial. All that nonsense about Jodi being sexually humiliated goes by the wayside, indeed becomes offensive to one's intelligence when you hear Jodi. It is obvious, most of this was her big idea, she wanted it, loved it, asked him for it, not figuratively , but LITERALLY in her own voice and her own texts, she asked him for it.

In the words of Judge Stan Strickland, "The irony is rich. Indeed!"

Juan gets the last word and one can safely assume it is going to be we are not here as a church body to determine the penance for premarital sex. We are here because she slaughtered this man, in his own home, three times over, and baaaam up on the screens will be the worst of the gruesome photos of what she did to Travis as he was trying to get away and defend himself, all the while being stabbed in the BACK. I do think he will even count out the times out loud, because when you do, it is powerful, it takes awhile. Can you just imagine?

In the words of Detective Flores, "This is over Jodi. This is absolutely over."
 
Hello all!

What a wonderful closing we had yesterday. I was wondering why JM didn't talk about how impossible JA's story is considering the time between the last photo of an alive Travis and the one where he is bleeding profusely. He didn't talk about the Defense theory at all. Is he saving that for the end?

Hi rose22!

I really think there will be a BIG BANG from him today!!! :please: I think he has something up his sleeve for the last word!

I was also wondering about him bringing up the "coded" messages in the magazine!!

I was starting to get nervous about the verdict, but after hearing Juan's closing, part one, yesterday and his reading the jury instructions and relating the charges to what has been presented....I'm not so worried.

We will see what Nurmi/Wilmott/Arias has up their sleeves for the defense closing today!!

The state has the LAST word!!! Their will be no sur-rebuttal-defense-closing-argument!!

:seeya:
 
I re-watched the LE interrogations over that long Easter weekend. JA said 3 times "...I would have worn gloves...", and then there was "I have a box of gloves". She was being very persistent about it, like repeating it would make that nasty palm print go away. Did she wear gloves but the one she was holding the knife in was torn off when she damaged her hand? Was that her left palm print? Too much sleuthing :scared:

I have wondered about the possibility that she may have used gloves, but only for the cleanup.
 
As opposed to everyone else, who kept their eyes down the whole time. Some even had their entire heads down. She peaked at the photos during the ME's original testimony too.

Did anyone else notice that under her killer-hand covering her killer- liar fake crying face...that the corners of her mouth were upturned...in a smile?

duping -delight?

[video=youtube;5UGjXlaTuVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UGjXlaTuVE[/video]
 
:seeya: Morning! Sorry I don't know the answer to your question but I was getting seriously concerned yesterday when, at one point during JM's closing, I noticed JA's breathing get really heavy and fast and I saw her close her hand completely around her pencil (in a fist) and hold it up by her left ear. Not to be dramatic, but it was as though she was clasping a knife handle. I don't understand why a gaurd isn't sitting closer to her at all times throughout this trial, especially considering her history with sharp objects... JMO ~

I think that she is wearing a stun-gun- belt or something.
they could just zap her
 
Hi rose22!

I really think there will be a BIG BANG from him today!!! :please: I think he has something up his sleeve for the last word!

I was also wondering about him bringing up the "coded" messages in the magazine!!

I was starting to get nervous about the verdict, but after hearing Juan's closing, part one, yesterday and his reading the jury instructions and relating the charges to what has been presented....I'm not so worried.

We will see what Nurmi/Wilmott/Arias has up their sleeves for the defense closing today!!

The state has the LAST word!!! Their will be no sur-rebuttal-defense-closing-argument!!

:seeya:

Hey Linda!

I'm glad that you will be watching Nurmi's story-telling today. I will watch it all from start to finish because JM will come out in the end and destroy the Defense's entire case. He's done it already but he'll do it again! And if the Defense should dare yack on about sex then the jury will be even more disgusted than I suspect they already are!
 
Think Bose DVD Player
Think Jodi's own words
Think of how many times he has quoted from trial transcripts he already had obtained from what a witness testified to, verbatim, the day before....now he has had time to get them ALL

for every single thing Nurmi tries to claim in his closing,
JM already has the defendant, or other witness prior testimony, cued up , good to go. Those little clips are his specialty.

Nurmi is going to try to take things out of context and try to blur the memory of what the jury recalls. Juan is going to say

No, ut oh, no....
here is what really happened, here is what she said to the Detective, or on day 31, at minute so and so and two seconds, it was a Wednesday, before the first break, her shoes were brown

Like all good presenters he saves the best for last.

The only thing Nurmi has got is the lies that Jodi told that Travis was such a perv and humiliated her so, tortured her so, abused her so.

In her own words, that has been disproved, repeatedly. Her own actions disprove that.

All Nurmi has is three experts who have been so thoroughly discredited, two of them may never work again in their field. They have been exposed for being completely biased and lying on the stand to the jury, and that they WERE LIED TO, not only by Joid.....wait for it......but lied to by the defense attorneys. You just can't make this stuff up!!

Juan is going to use Jodi's own police interviews, her own voice in phone calls, her media interviews, and her testimony to play back in her own voice, and video so the jury can see her own demeanor, straight faced and calm as she lied. It will be Jodi's own words, and her own little acts that do her in.

Just think of Juan with his CD in the white sleeve, pulling out the staple, walking toward the court clerk to verify the evidence stamp. Juan is going to just press play.

He is going to have his own little selections to match Nurmi's redacted audio of just Travis on the sex tape, and just the sex talk texts Travis sent.

He is going to cue up Jodi, in her own words , ACTIVELY participating, indeed leading the sex talk, and JODI's texts, asking for a good pounding, to be spanked and REQUESTING a good facial. All that nonsense about Jodi being sexually humiliated goes by the wayside, indeed becomes offensive to one's intelligence when you hear Jodi. It is obvious, most of this was her big idea, she wanted it, loved it, asked him for it, not figuratively , but LITERALLY in her own voice and her own texts, she asked him for it.

In the words of Judge Stan Strickland, "The irony is rich. Indeed!"

Juan gets the last word and one can safely assume it is going to be we are not here as a church body to determine the penance for premarital sex. We are here because she slaughtered this man, in his own home, three times over, and baaaam up on the screens will be the worst of the gruesome photos of what she did to Travis as he was trying to get away and defend himself, all the while being stabbed in the BACK. I do think he will even count out the times out loud, because when you do, it is powerful, it takes awhile. Can you just imagine?

In the words of Detective Flores, "This is over Jodi. This is absolutely over."

WOW!!! Great post!!!!

Are you really Juan Martinez telling us what you are going to do today?

You are right. Nurmi is going to horn in on the sex, sex, sex and Juan will tear it apart!!!!
 
Have another question. Why didn't JM check with both walmarts in Salinas just to be on the safe side? You know the defense is going to say she returned it to the other one!

The other Walmart didn't open until 2010. Or, that's what someone said earlier.
 
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