CLOSING ARGUMENTS (Tues 09/04/2012)

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BBM

Sorry, a bazillion things going on here that need me! Pardon me if this is has already been pointed out, but there ARE other countries in the world that have jury trials! England, Canada, Australia... just to name the first off the top of my head. Jeeze!

I was going to post the same thing. At first I laughed but then I got angry. Does he think this jury is STUPID?

 

[Cubby]

Lopez goes over details of neighbors finding Savio's body in the tub, "It was a big tub"

atty Lopez says Savio tub is a "framed-in tub" and that bottles wouldn't move if someone fell in it because it's so solid.

opez: Savio's fall wouldn't topple bottles if the carpenter installed the tub correctly

What am I going to tell my children?" Lopez quotes Drew as saying after finding Savio dead

Lopez: "They're trying to nail Jell-O to a tree. It's an accident, pure and simple."

Lopez: "The blue towel's a fallacy." Looks like somebody used the towel to kneel on it.

"If somebody put that towel there it certainly wasn't Drew Peterson because he wasn't there!" Lopez says

Lopez: "Did someone kneel on the towel? Put it there when they were searching on their hands and knees? I don't know."

Really? All these folks investigating and no one could determine who placed the towel there if it were someone other than Drew?

 

[borndem]

In Session ‎"He's the watch commander, the one on duty . . . [but] he doesn't call a single officer to come over there to assist with this wellness check . . . the only one there is the defendant. [Locksmith] Bob Akin talked about the fact that only the front door was locked . . . you know Kathy always liked to keep her doors locked. And when the door is unlocked, the defendant lets [others] go into the house, not knowing what they're going to find. But he knows, Drew knows . . . they flip the light on, and they see her dead. And Mary screams. The defendant goes upstairs, and when he gets upstairs he doesn't have his gun drawn, isn't on his radio, doesn't have his flashlight on. If this is a scream, why doesn't he have his gun out? You know why? Because he killed her; he knows what they're going to find up there in that tub."

Why didn't he at least then draw his gun; assume it was a crime scene; tell his neighbors to leave the house ASAP -- "because I need to see if anyone is in this house who shouldn't be; I'm gonna call 911 and get some backup from the BPD." Isn't that what he should have done, jurors? Act like the veteran LEO that he was. Ex-wife or stranger, this is what a LEO would have done upon finding this scene.

 

[Bravo]

I believe DP initial plan was to frame SP, but once her disappearance made headline and the cards played out, he couldn't do it. Remember at the time SP went missing, KS was still not looked at as a homicide. If SP missing was only a local media blip, and the state looked into KS death again...then I believe DP was going to use SP as a defense that she killed KS and took off.

Agree. I mean from the get go. Dont try to make it look accidental. Leave it looking like a murder. Leave evidence of Stacy in the house. Two women gone with one action.

 

[Cubby]

In Session The jurors are now back in the courtroom, and attorney Lopez continues his summation. “I told you something I forgot to follow up on. The reason Drew didn’t go into the house was because he wasn’t there on police business; he was following the divorce court order. On March 22, 2002 Kathy got exclusive possession of the marital home. His going in that house violated the court’s order! . . . this order was in effect until the property was distributed and there was a final decision. So that Monday when Drew was there, he was under a court order not to enter that house. Not because he knew that Kathy was upstairs in that bath tub, but because the court ordered him not to do it.”

BBM. Then why did he call the locksmith himself and not LE on police business for a well being check?

Can't have it both ways.

 

[Cubby]

In Session “Drew can’t go in there without her permission. Nick and Tom [Pontarelli] are on the first floor, Steve [Carcerano] and Mary [Pontarelli] go upstairs . . . Nick sees orange juice and pills; he puts the orange juice away . . . Drew doesn’t have permission to go into the house. All of the lights are off. Mary doesn’t’ see anything unusual; the bed wasn’t made. There’s no signs of any struggle, any forced entry, absolutely nothing. Drew didn’t go in because he was ordered by the court not to do it. Steve goes into the bathroom; Mary goes into the bathroom and screams. Kathy is lying in the bath tub; everything else in the bathroom is intact. The State wants to tell you she didn’t fall in there because none of the bottles have moved. Well, that’s a framed-in tub, and they shouldn’t move if the contractor did it the right way . . . whoever put that tub in right, it would be solid, it would be anchored. The whole thing’s framed out around the tub. Why does Drew have to have his gun out? ‘What am I going to tell my kid?’ are the first words out of his mouth. It’s ridiculous! He didn’t do it. Because it’s an accident . . . it’s ridiculous! That’s a ridiculous theory. They’re trying to nail Jell-O to a tree. It’s an accident. Pure and simple.”

So, the jury is supposed to believe a 120+ lb person would bounce but 16 oz bottles of shampoo/conditioner would not?

And there he goes with the jello to a tree theory again, as if his client is Christlike. Very insulting and I am sure they are doing this because the Savio's are Catholic.

You are not fooling anyone Lopez, nor are you funny.

 

[lonetraveler]

Really? All these folks investigating and no one could determine who placed the towel there if it were someone other than Drew?

Yep, "investigating" is the key word here, LOL.

 

[lonetraveler]

I was going to post the same thing. At first I laughed but then I got angry. Does he think this jury is STUPID?

BBm: Yes. He has been "talking down" to them from the start and IMO he is counting on them being easily manipulated and easily fooled.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

The sidebar ends. “If there’s 300 million people in the United States, then about 300 people a year die in the bath tub, in the United States. Blum and Mitchell, according to Dr. Baden, missed the diaphragm . . . three of the State’s witnesses disagreeing among themselves . . . the State’s own witnesses contradict themselves. That’s not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. [Dr.] Mary Case, who doesn’t believe with anything unless she wrote it. You think she’s biased? She’s an expert in shaken baby syndrome . . . what’s her specialty? She examines brains. She didn’t even examine the brain here; why’d you hire her? . . . she didn’t do an examination of the brain, so that particular specialty she didn’t use in this case . . . she presumed Kathy was conscious when she fell, and then said the head injury wasn’t enough to cause a loss of consciousness . . . this book is in her library, but it’s wrong, because it wasn’t written by Dr. Mary Case? She disagrees with the book, because she didn’t write it. We got to her admit, though she didn’t want to, about a paper she wrote, in which she said there can be a head injury even from a padded surface . . . Dr. Jentzen explained it to you in step-by-step detail . . . look at this book, this is a real book! Written by Dr. [Jan] Leetsma, right here . . . look at the gash on the back of her head! It’s as big as the Grand Canyon! You could stick your fist in there! Don’t you think that knocked her out? Look at the photos! They’re confusing an accident with a homicide, just like this book says . . . the book that sits in the Mary Case library. Why does she have this book? Because it’s an authoritative treatise on the subject. Her opinion is not anymore authoritative than the opinion of any of the other forensic pathologists . . . she’s just as qualified as the others. If they can’t prove it’s a homicide, who cares what Schori says, what Anna Doman says, what Harry Smith says? If it’s an accident, it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s got to be a homicide. And they can’t prove that . . . all they’ve shown you is an accident.”
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[lonetraveler]

Geez, I can't believe the judge has gone this long without leaving the bench.

Depends?

 

[WindyCityGirl]

In Session “Dr. DiMaio . . . he don’t [sic] work for FOX; he don’t {sic] use Steph Watts to film autopsies, for Girls Gone Wild.” Objection/Sustained. “He [DiMaio] goes to the U.N. . . . they chose him to look at victims of war crimes. They chose him! . . .you don’t need that much water to drown. She slipped down into the tub, which the water made even slicker.”

 

[Lera213]

I had a bad slip and fall, in my kitchen last year. My feet flew up above my head, and I was reaching frantically with my arms to brace my fall. I had nothing to grab onto unlike KS would have. That was a normal reaction to a fall. I landed flat on my tailbone. I had zero bruises anywhere. Had I had something to brace my fall, like a tub I would have had bruises underneath my forearms for sure. Heck I might have broken my arm bone.

When this case first came to light back when SP went missing and KS was brought out as suspicious and DP stated she fell in the tub and drowned. I knew when I had that fall that was just out right BS.

Since this is Illinois that gets a lot of snow and ice....I'm willing to bet that every one of those jurors fell at one point in time, and will know what I know. that KS did not slip and fall.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

Sorry WS amigas...technical difficulties here.......I am updating again.

 

[WindyCityGirl]

In Session “If she would have fallen and there was no water in that tub and she would have survived that, she definitely would have been in the hospital; she definitely would have had a lot of stitches in her head.”

 

[WindyCityGirl]

n Session “It must be proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest level of proof in a court in the United States of America . . . who were her two best friends? It was Mary [Pontarelli] and Steve {Maniaci] . . . not one word about threats. Basically, Kathy made it up after she got the summons . . . if Drew went into that house without her permission, all she had to do was call up Harry Smith and get Drew held in contempt of court for violation of a court order. That would be enough right there for the court to take action. Never happened. Because she made it up! That raises a reasonable doubt right there . . . Steve Maniaci, not one word; you saw Maniaci, you think he’d stand for that? Isn’t the person you tell you’re terrified the person you’re with all the time? He never said she kept a knife under the mattress; he was the person ON the mattress. . . . Steve loved her, he adored her. And she never told Steve once about this stuff? That’s ridiculous. She made it up . . . don’t you think if it happened she’d get on the phone to Mary and say, ‘That SOB just came over here, and you know what he did to me?’” Objection. The State asks for a sidebar.

 

[Cubby]

Almost caught up. I see Lopez is answering all of his own questions. :lol:

 

[WindyCityGirl]

In Session The sidebar ends. “Again, these are the people in the circle of trust. The hearsay instruction; basically it says the statement rests upon the credibility of the person who said it. The two most trusted people in the world you would have expected her to tell, she didn’t do it . . . that raises credibility right there . . . it’s an accident. This bath tub’s a hard surface; it’s not a marshmallow. Anna Doman says, ‘My sister told me a hundred and fifty million times her husband was going to kill her.’ So what does she do? She invites him over to the luncheon after the funeral. Does that make any sense? . . . isn’t that ridiculous? Preposterous? Does that make any sense to anyone? . . . she didn’t say one word, not one word . . . not one word! . . . not one word about any of this. She didn’t even know the specifics of the divorce. ‘Promise to take care of my boys’ . . . she didn’t do anything for those boys. Remember the brief case? According to her, Kathy said it would tell the world what happened to her. What does she do with it? She puts it in the garage, where it collects dust . . . you didn’t see one document out of that briefcase. It was empty! Susan Doman, she got the movie contract. She has a movie and a book in the works, pending the end of the trial . . . she gets to have the final say in this movie, and she gives the producers the right to make it more colorful. Well, you know what? It’s not going to be colorful, because the darn briefcase is empty! It’s got to be a juicy story. And an accident is not a juicy story. The only movies they make about accidents are airplane movies, or train movies . . . not about someone who slips and falls in a bath tub.”

 

[WindyCityGirl]

I missed this one WS amigas

In Session They are speculating about what happened . . . because it’s an accident, not a homicide! . . . if you’re going to fall like that, something’s going to get compressed, and it’s her toes; she’s longer than the tub. That’s what DiMaio told you; that’s what Jentzen told you. And more importantly, Jentzen and DiMaio know what to look for. And they said these are not defensive bruises . . . all we know at the end of the day is that it’s an accident.”

 

[WindyCityGirl]

In Session “If it was a Sunday, it would make sense that she was found with her cross on; maybe she wanted to go to church . . . the State can’t tell you whether she had a seizure or not . . . while we’re throwing out speculation, like the State does, how do we know she didn’t have a seizure when she stood up? We know she would change her medication without their [her personal physicians] advice . . . remember Dr. Neri said he treated her for cervical vertigo? That was a State’s witness who told us that. She took aspirin, which could have continued to her passing out. Steve Maniaci said she bruised easily . . . and we talked about the orthostatic hypotension; your body is hot, and it’s trying to cool itself by dilating your blood vessels. So when you stand up, you feel dizzy or weak . . . that could be a contributing factor, along with a slick surface, which is the surface of the bath tub. A the end of the day, all we know is it’s an accident . . . Jentzen, DiMaio, and Spitz all said that it was an accident.”

 

[WindyCityGirl]

n Session The sidebar ends. “Again, these are the people in the circle of trust. The hearsay instruction; basically it says the statement rests upon the credibility of the person who said it. The two most trusted people in the world you would have expected her to tell, she didn’t do it . . . that raises credibility right there . . . it’s an accident. This bath tub’s a hard surface; it’s not a marshmallow. Anna Doman says, ‘My sister told me a hundred and fifty million times her husband was going to kill her.’ So what does she do? She invites him over to the luncheon after the funeral. Does that make any sense? . . . isn’t that ridiculous? Preposterous? Does that make any sense to anyone? . . . she didn’t say one word, not one word . . . not one word! . . . not one word about any of this. She didn’t even know the specifics of the divorce. ‘Promise to take care of my boys’ . . . she didn’t do anything for those boys. Remember the brief case? According to her, Kathy said it would tell the world what happened to her. What does she do with it? She puts it in the garage, where it collects dust . . . you didn’t see one document out of that briefcase. It was empty! Susan Doman, she got the movie contract. She has a movie and a book in the works, pending the end of the trial . . . she gets to have the final say in this movie, and she gives the producers the right to make it more colorful. Well, you know what? It’s not going to be colorful, because the darn briefcase is empty! It’s got to be a juicy story. And an accident is not a juicy story. The only movies they make about accidents are airplane movies, or train movies . . . not about someone who slips and falls in a bath tub.”