CLUES: how to find Susan

[andalso]

I feel very strongly that nothing would have prevented JP from taking the lives of himself and the 2 kids. While I agree that there were many red flags that this man should not have been anywhere near the kids, and mistakes were made by those who were supposed to protect them. But, I think where there's a will, there's a way...and had he not chosen this plan, he would have found another way to do them all in...i.e. burn down the Cox's house... He was determined. IMO

 

[QueenD]

Can I post some names and addresses of some Minning companies in the areas that I know of (we ship supplies there)?

Maybe someone would like to explore those addresses and see if those are near the areas of interest.

I'm not good at that. Just info to help.

 

[Kimster]

Can I post some names and addresses of some Minning companies in the areas that I know of (we ship supplies there)?

Maybe someone would like to explore those addresses and see if those are near the areas of interest.

I'm not good at that. Just info to help.

If you can post addresses without names, that would be better. I'd hate for someone to be Googling their name for business purposes and be sent here. But mapping addresses might be helpful.

 

[IWannaKnow]

So, for the posters who feel he drove her to somewhere and pushed her over a ravine that first night then why all the extra trips in the rental car? That just doesn't make sense to me unless he was trying to get rid of evidence. The police searched the house before he even got back IIRC and found Susan's purse and cell phone and a wet spot on the floor. That was it. So if he was successful in simply rolling her off a cliff that night why go back and have to put so much effort into it that he came back with frostbite/windburn? I'm afraid I might be missing some important point....

If Pony Express does intersect with I-80 and 80 is the only real reliable road in inclement weather I think trying to find mines within driving distance of there might be a great starting place. Is anyone on this board familiar with the areas that were searched? Was this one of them??

 

[Dr. Know?]

KevinKIRO Kevin McCarty
Landfill near #joshpowell home searched after investigators get tip. #FindSusan

https://twitter.com/#!/KevinKIRO

 

[karen7868]

That just gave me a horrible thought. What if the reason cadaver dogs didn't alert to the van was because, yes, she was poisoned, but she was alive. Was she in the back of the van, but still alert enough to 'walk' with help out to "look for crystals". If "mommy and daddy" left the van, that's an entirely different thought process for a kid than 'daddy carried mommy out of the van'.

I had a terrible thought that she was still alive and even able to walk and he left her to freeze to death.

But then you have one of the children that pointed a ladies chest area and pointed and said Mommy Owee.

So, I don't know. But I do think he called his father and had him meet him half way.

Has anyone ever heard of the Perry March case here in Nashville, TN?

He was an attorney, killed his wife (Janet March) and told everyone she had just up and left for a vacation. When she didn't return in a couple of weeks for her small son's birthday, people started wondering.

To make a long story short, he had his father move her body from where he dumped originally. They drove across state lines into Kentucky. Rented a motel and had his father get rid of her while he waited for him in the motel.

So, is it possible they (JP & SP) met across a state line to do something with Susan?

She left 2 small children behind.

 

[Dr. Know?]

KevinKIRO Kevin McCarty
Search of landfill near #joshpowell finds nothing according to #PierceCounty Sheriff's dept. Teams to go back Sunday. #FindSusan

 

[deca]

So, for the posters who feel he drove her to somewhere and pushed her over a ravine that first night then why all the extra trips in the rental car? That just doesn't make sense to me unless he was trying to get rid of evidence. The police searched the house before he even got back IIRC and found Susan's purse and cell phone and a wet spot on the floor. That was it. So if he was successful in simply rolling her off a cliff that night why go back and have to put so much effort into it that he came back with frostbite/windburn? I'm afraid I might be missing some important point....

If Pony Express does intersect with I-80 and 80 is the only real reliable road in inclement weather I think trying to find mines within driving distance of there might be a great starting place. Is anyone on this board familiar with the areas that were searched? Was this one of them??

There are so many variables we don't know, ie his hands. We don't know if it was frostbite, burns, chemical burns, chemical reaction to a poison-- mercury poisoning can cause red hands and mercury or other heavy metal poisons might be more easily attained than GHB.

The other question is an important one: why go back? Possibilities:
1) he didn't go back, just drove around to create a "smoke screen"
2) he met someone (dad?) to tell him
3) he went back to dump site to hide her better, pick up evidence
4) destroy/disperse evidence
5) he moved her (dangerous but possible)

 

[QueenD]

I am not sure if these will help but these are mines and or minning companies (may not be the actual mine) we have ship to. Geography was not my subject. I couldnt even tell you if I am driving North or South without the thingie in my mirror. LOL

The only one I have found right now is
9401 N Highway 191
Vernal UT

Most that I am seeing are in NV

 

[sayd]

So, for the posters who feel he drove her to somewhere and pushed her over a ravine that first night then why all the extra trips in the rental car? That just doesn't make sense to me unless he was trying to get rid of evidence. The police searched the house before he even got back IIRC and found Susan's purse and cell phone and a wet spot on the floor. That was it. So if he was successful in simply rolling her off a cliff that night why go back and have to put so much effort into it that he came back with frostbite/windburn? I'm afraid I might be missing some important point....

If Pony Express does intersect with I-80 and 80 is the only real reliable road in inclement weather I think trying to find mines within driving distance of there might be a great starting place. Is anyone on this board familiar with the areas that were searched? Was this one of them??

I was just trying to think out of a new box (You know, the Keep It Simple Stupid box) because the old boxes haven't been working.

 

[Jacie Estes]

So, for the posters who feel he drove her to somewhere and pushed her over a ravine that first night then why all the extra trips in the rental car? That just doesn't make sense to me unless he was trying to get rid of evidence. The police searched the house before he even got back IIRC and found Susan's purse and cell phone and a wet spot on the floor. That was it. So if he was successful in simply rolling her off a cliff that night why go back and have to put so much effort into it that he came back with frostbite/windburn? I'm afraid I might be missing some important point....

If Pony Express does intersect with I-80 and 80 is the only real reliable road in inclement weather I think trying to find mines within driving distance of there might be a great starting place. Is anyone on this board familiar with the areas that were searched? Was this one of them??

That theory, which was brainstormed elsewhere, was that there was no definite known time that he left the house that night and that he could very well have put her in a wooded area within a +/-100 mile radius. Remember the boys were in the van and the weather was inclement that night. At that time he did not know LE would be at his house early the next morning and thought he had all the time in the world to dispose of her. LE found the wet spot and the fans, jp didn't think the fans would be found; he thought that he would come home later in the day and 'report' Susan missing when she didn't come home from work. He stayed away from the house to bolster the 'camping' theory. Coming back and finding LE at the house sped things up for him; as soon as he was able he rented the car and went back to the site he was at that night to cover his tracks. He now has to worry about forensics; he didn't know whether LE was tailing him in the rental or not and if he would be stopped. He could have driven in circles just to see if he was being followed and then gone to dispose of her. If she was stashed in any part of the Oquirrhs/Uintahs/Wasatch Mountains, by dragging her to a drop off area he never had to put her in the rental. There are some areas of the mountains, readliy accessible to the road, with steep drops. One variable is that the Middle Canyon Rd on the Tooele side of the Oquirrhs is closed from the end of fall until the spring because of treacherous snow conditions; he could have walked in there and found hiding places.

I do not believe the 'camping trip' story.

 

[x_files]

There are so many variables we don't know, ie his hands. We don't know if it was frostbite, burns, chemical burns, chemical reaction to a poison-- mercury poisoning can cause red hands and mercury or other heavy metal poisons might be more easily attained than GHB.

The other question is an important one: why go back? Possibilities:
1) he didn't go back, just drove around to create a "smoke screen"
2) he met someone (dad?) to tell him
3) he went back to dump site to hide her better, pick up evidence
4) destroy/disperse evidence
5) he moved her (dangerous but possible)

Please, for the love of God tell me Utah police or a investigator photographed and tested his "red" hands?

 

[dovebar]

It would be interesting to sleuth photos of people with damage from all those causes, and compare to JP's hands and arms.

Also, the boys have been reported to say both 'desert' and 'woods', if I remember correctly.

Is there somewhere accessible in a snowstorm that fits BOTH those descriptions? And might even be similar in terrain, if not the identical place, to where they might have gone hunting for crystals in the past (as you can do in southern Utah)?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am not sure if these will help but these are mines and or minning companies (may not be the actual mine) we have ship to. Geography was not my subject. I couldnt even tell you if I am driving North or South without the thingie in my mirror. LOL

The only one I have found right now is
9401 N Highway 191
Vernal UT

Most that I am seeing are in NV

Thanks, Queen D! I looked up this mining company and found that on/by its grounds is a "Stauffer Chemical Tailings Pond".
This mining company in Vernal, Utah is 3 hr. 27 min. from the Sarah Circle house. Putting a body in a chemical pond could decimate a body, and could make JP's hands irritated/red.

Just a thought.....

 

[RoseTree]

WHO sits around telling friends about disposing a body and not to get caught?
Then the wife comes up missing!

Scott Peterson. Except he got caught. Whoops. And ironically, the way that he said he would dispose of a body was apparently the way he disposed of his wife and child.

 

[RoseTree]

I also thought about that because he did buy plastic wrap, right?
It was cold the night of camping trip.
She may of been doped up, left to die, he or SP could of gotten her
and put her in a freezer.
Something is very ODD about a man about to die to care about his utilities.

Especially odd when you blow up the house and can see that clearly, the house no longer is connected to any utilities. But just my opinion.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Thanks, Queen D! I looked up this mining company and found that on/by its grounds is a "Stauffer Chemical Tailings Pond".
This mining company in Vernal, Utah is 3 hr. 27 min. from the Sarah Circle house. Putting a body in a chemical pond could decimate a body, and could make JP's hands irritated/red.

Just a thought.....

This is the directions we used when we lived in SLC and would go the back way to Colorado, through Vernal. It starts at Park City, Utah. There are higher elevations and the routes to Vernal require chains on the tires in winter. We have never heard if there were chains on the van tires or if that is what caused the red hands [putting chains on tires].


Driving directions to Vernal, UT from Summit Park, UT 84098
1. Head north on Pinebrook Rd toward Wagon Wheel Cir 0.5 mi
2. Turn left onto Pinebrook Blvd 0.4 mi
3. Continue onto Homestead Rd 387 ft
4. Turn right to merge onto I-80 E
4.7 mi
5. Take exit 146 to merge onto US-40 E toward Heber/​Vernal 115 mi
6. Turn right onto US-191 N/​US-40 E/​E 200 N
Continue to follow US-191 N/​US-40 E 29.8 mi
Vernal, UT

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl"]Google Maps[/ame]

 

[karen7868]

Is it possible he buried her where he took his kids sledding and he made up the whole camping thing as a red herring to throw police off?

Also, does anyone know where he took the boys sledding? According to JoVona Owings, he left approx. 5 or 5:30 to take the boys sledding and the neighbor said he saw them return approx. 8:00 or 8:30; that's almost 3 hours spent sledding. To me, that's a long time. Especially on a school night. I don't know what time it gets dark in Utah. I would think it would be around 5:00.
After digging the hole, came home and put Susan in the trunk of the van, buried her, and then went driving around telling the boys they were going camping?

You would think with the weather being bad he would have been scared to chance a long drive in case of an accident or getting pulled over and them finding her boy.

And Ms. Owings said anytime he took the boys anywhere, he didn't stay long so why so long sledding?

I know I read somewhere one of his hobbies was landscaping, so he definitely probably had a shovel.

Could he have snuck a shovel with him and dug a place while the kids were playing?

JP seems like he was such a control freak, I would think she was buried close to the house to be able to keep an eye on where ever he put her.

I don't know. I just keeping thinking how close to home Caylee was found so that CA could probably keep an eye out.

 

[dovebar]

Vernal does not seem like a likely direction to me, though. In snow, Parley's Summit is the very last place one would want to drive. It might not even be passable in that weather.

Or am I wrong about how you'd get there?

 

[Jacie Estes]

Something I wanted to throw into the mix. On blogs, newspaper forums and FB pages there were people who, by their own admittance, were acquaintances of jp who VERY vehemently defended him. I won't name them here. I have always wondered why that was the case. What is the connection and what was their motive/interest in doing this.