CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #20

[mmmagique]

It is not cruel. Hypothetically, if you had an inkling that your ex could harm your child, would you send him because of a court order? Seriously, think about it. I know we don't know what we'd do in the situation because we aren't in the situation. However, if you had even the slightest thought your ex would harm your child, would you put them on a plane to visit the NCP?

The normal average person does not suspect their ex will disappear their child. It's not even a thought in their mind. They may think their child will be in for some psychological abuse, (and help to prepare them for it) or they may think that it's possible the ex will "slap" them or something, and tell them explicitly what to do in that event. (call me, call cps, call the police) But most of us do not suspect that our exes will do the unimaginable. It's just not even a consideration unless the other parent had issued threats to do something...unusual.

 

[mck16]

It doesn't work quite as simply as that.

For all we know ER may have presented her fears to the judge at that last hearing in November, Dylan may have presented his fears too (we know he made written statements).

Most likely a judge will stand by the orders they have made, the only time they would be likely to change their mind would be if there was some new compelling evidence against that decision and even then sometimes judges still go with their initial decision.

read up on 'parental alientation' its the catch cry of attorneys and lawyers throughout the world even if a parent tries to protect their child from the other parent with good reason.

I don't have to I am married to an attorney. ty

 

[mck16]

The normal average person does not suspect their ex will disappear their child. It's not even a thought in their mind. They may think their child will be in for some psychological abuse, (and help to prepare them for it) or they may think that it's possible the ex will "slap" them or something, and tell them explicitly what to do in that event. (call me, call cps, call the police) But most of us do not suspect that our exes will do the unimaginable. It's just not even a consideration unless the other parent had issued threats to do something...unusual.

They why were those the first words out of her mouth? I wouldn't think so either but that is what she said. jmo

 

[Seajay]

I am completely floored by a lot of what I read here that is directed at ER. She can't win for losing with some of this group. So, because she complied with the court order and allowed her sons father access to him, it's more her fault than his that something unforeseen happened to Dylan (either by his hand or someone totally unknown at this point)???? This makes as much sense as the extensive discussion of the totally irrelevant picture sleuthed from CR's Facebook, that was used as a springboard to criticize ER and CR for being "neglectful" by letting Dylan sit on the floorboard of a car that we don't even know was in motion. Jesus Christ who cares! That's not material to why Dylan disappeared! The suggestion that Dylan is voluntarily hiding out from his mother( who by all accounts he had a great relationship with) and beloved brother is ridiculous as well.IMO

BBM: I know the feeling. Same thing with MR. He got blamed out the gate for keeping her tied up in court over visitation when there hasn't been one shred of evidence to show that it was him that was doing anything. She's the one who brought this into court with moving, not MR, but somehow it's all his fault.

 

[mmmagique]

Not to be snarky but is it necessary to use capitals? Feels as though you think some of us are "stupid"... JMO.

She's explained before that her use of capitals are because she's typing on a (pad or phone...can't remember which) and she doesn't have access to the editor which has the bold, underline and italics. She is not trying to imply anyone is stupid.

 

[margarita25]

And many of the tips are probably completely silly, based on dreams, visions,, etc...

If LE has to go back to those tips now, they are pretty much stymied for evidence, IMO.

Funny, my idea did come to me in a dream, but I didn't tell LE that.

 

[TxJan1971]

10 years ago when DR was three. I don't think so. Do you have a link? And all this is what people are basing MR killing his child are based on. Really?

ty

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For the next two years, the couple went through divorce proceedings. In 2008, mom, Elaine Redwine, claimed she had a confrontation with her ex-husband Mark in the early hours of July 4. She wrote, "He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark.
In another protective order request, Mark claims he was victimized later that same day. "I was attacked and beaten then left for hours until I woke up," he wrote. Mark says his older son Cory admitted he was responsible for the beating.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

 

[mck16]

Fixed it on my post. It wasn't 10 years but it was some time ago. Can't remember exactly, during the time they lived in the Denver area, mid to late 2000's... not looking for the link. It's on the one above from 9news. Posted a page or two ago.

I believe it was the same time as the sex on the lawn occurred. 4 years ago. But I could be wrong. jmo

 

[aust amateur slueth]

In what year was the divorce finalized?

thats a big stretch isn't it assuming that because the divorce was drawn out (as many are) that it means that ER was fighting MR.

 

[mck16]

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For the next two years, the couple went through divorce proceedings. In 2008, mom, Elaine Redwine, claimed she had a confrontation with her ex-husband Mark in the early hours of July 4. She wrote, "He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark.
In another protective order request, Mark claims he was victimized later that same day. "I was attacked and beaten then left for hours until I woke up," he wrote. Mark says his older son Cory admitted he was responsible for the beating.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history

Exactly. And in what family do children beat up their father? ty

 

[mijamawi]

BBM, is that similar to "that boy?"

Please enlighten us, what do you mean by this?

Not sure I can enlighten you, but I can tell you what I meant. I just found it an interesting choice of words, considering.

 

[catswhiskers]

This is the link to the story that revealed a couple of scrappily handwritten requests from both parties. It smacks of tit-for- tat bitterness to me, which can be expected by some I guess in the heat of a divorce. IMO it has been referenced way too much, and has been the source of a lot of assumptions about both parties.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/42/Missing-boy-Dylan-Redwines-family-had-violent-history

 

[mck16]

thats a big stretch isn't it assuming that because the divorce was drawn out (as many are) that it means that ER was fighting MR.

I don't think that is a stretch. Why else would the divorce not be finalized? Vistation, child support? What? ty

 

[mmmagique]

I thought that was strange too. It was reported early on that there were "near monthly" court hearings. IME, That does not happen when things are running smoothly.

50/50 custody does not always mean that the child is with one parent half the time, and the other parent the other half. It basically means that before making major decisions (medical, schooling) that the parents will discuss it and come to a mutual decision. Generally, the child is still with the custodial parent the large majority of the time.

(not directed at you, just jumping off your post)

 

[mijamawi]

There is absolutely nothing to suggest this. The people that love him, (his mother, his brother, his stepfather) were all together on Christmas, and took a picture of their holiday gathering, with mom holding a picture of Dylan and (I think) Corey.

This is a family devastated by loss, and they are obviously grieving their loss. (whether temporary or permanent.) No one in that group disappeared Dylan, and if someone else did, it was not something done out of love.

BBM, how do you know?

 

[jjenny]

The question about Caylee came up as I had asked how many children were ever found after more than a month had passed. So far, she, and the Iowa girls are the only ones we can think of (not including those very few but well-known examples who were found alive.)I do not think anything harsh was meant in the reply, IMO.

Nothing harsh was meant by my reply. There are cases where a body is found more than a month after a child went missing. I am sure there are more than the 3 children we came up with so far.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Everyone is off limits but MR. Everyone gets to have a field day on him.

it might help you to read the first page of the thread, it explains why MR isn't off limits.

 

[DylansMom34]

Yes it was in 2008. I corrected my original post but I don't have any way to fix it on other people's posts. It wasn't 10 years ago, it was 4 1/2 years ago.

Still, however, my point is, would Elaine have any way of foreseeing her son being a victim of foul play four years after the 2008 event? Of course not! Nobody would have been able to predict such a horrible thing happening to poor little Dylan. As a custodial parent, we have no choice but to hope for the best when our children are not with us.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Just checking in. Nothing new. MR vs ER and ER vs everyone else and theories vs no theories and SIGH. Really hoping something breaks in the new year. Happy with more media coverage and the continued presence of the FBI. Not happy that we have nothing new to chew on here except each other.

 

[TxJan1971]

Exactly. And in what family do children beat up their father? ty

"He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark.


I dunno, maybe this happens in a family where a drunk dad grabs the child's mom, and when the drunk dad swings at the child, the "child" swings back to defend himself and his mom????

JMO