CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[catswhiskers]

Do we know this for a fact?

No we don't. Although they did do a complete forensic search with a search warrant, does not mean that forensics had not been done in certain areas on previous entries to the home.

It has been stated that they had been in MR's home prior to the main search. For many involved in investigations, it would not be unusual to take items or do a minor forensic evaluation for DNA, et al prior to doing a more thorough one at a later date.

This does not mean that they for instance did not take items which could be tested like an ipod, sweatpants, even a milk carton on the day he initially went missing, or on any other requests which LE asked of MR, and apparently he agreed with.

Wouldn't it be great if they had the foresight to have bagged the cereal bowl on that first day!? Seems unlikely I know I just had this really wild thought ... what if the cereal bowl had been used by someone else - not MR, but a third party? I know we would probably have heard about it by now (or maybe not) if that was the case - I'm just letting my imagination run wild for a bit - all those if onlys and what ifs!

 

[Allusonz]

BBM [ bolded by me]

By the way, I agree with the first paragraphs you posted, but I snipped to the edit to reply.

I posted this exact same thought. It seemed to me that prints on the cereal box would have been solid evidence that Dylan was at the house Monday morning.

But a wise member pointed out that Dylan probably picked out the cereal himself, so he might have touched it in Walmart, so it dos not prove anything.

And they didn't send the forensics team to the house for a week or more---so his bowl was probably washed and put away by then. jmo

DNA cannot be dated. A phone call in which maybe a grandmother answered on the other hand can be.

 

[mmmagique]

Wouldn't it be great if they had the foresight to have bagged the cereal bowl on that first day!? Seems unlikely I know I just had this really wild thought ... what if the cereal bowl had been used by someone else - not MR, but a third party? I know we would probably have heard about it by now (or maybe not) if that was the case - I'm just letting my imagination run wild for a bit - all those if onlys and what ifs!

That would be really awesome. Especially if it's someone whose DNA is already in the system.

It's a pretty thought anyway...

 

[cluciano63]

We don't even have confirmation that a cereal box exists, or if it did, that it was still available for testing ten days later.

If it was used for "staging" it was likely thrown out. LE gave the "no comment" I believe, when MR brought up the cereal box and the TV station.

 

[katydid23]

Inside flaps, bag, and maybe milk container. It's also possible, not probable, that they took the cereal bowl on day one- it may not have needed a search warrant with MR being cooperative. Can't tell without reports




I would claim he stayed up late watching TV and I went to bed early, and that must be why he didn't wake up well that morning.

Just to name one thing I'd say differently if I were creating a false scenario.

I may have also tried to pre-emptively explain the phone. It wouldn't charge, Dylan was annoyed that and plugging it into different outlets to get it to charge.

I wonder if cable companies have records of what was watched on that tv and how long it was on? I know they track some premium channels, so IDK.

If dad makes up a story of what D did that night, then the prints need to match. If he was walking around plugging the cell into various outlets then there should be prints around there.

And there should be lots of fresh prints on the tv remote too.

And if dad said that D was up late, then even more questions come up for why he didn't contact anyone or go on FaceBook or Instagram. JMO

 

[Allusonz]

Wouldn't it be great if they had the foresight to have bagged the cereal bowl on that first day!? Seems unlikely I know I just had this really wild thought ... what if the cereal bowl had been used by someone else - not MR, but a third party? I know we would probably have heard about it by now (or maybe not) if that was the case - I'm just letting my imagination run wild for a bit - all those if onlys and what ifs!

Agree. Just because a LE consists of 5 members, does not mean that they are not capable of collecting items at a potential crime scene, or that they have never worked a major crime scene or never been trained to handle things on this scale.

It means they don't have the resources available to them that are available to larger ones. Yet they had K9's etc., set up by that evening and were searching.

It does make me ask what other resources they tapped into quickly.

 

[Allusonz]

Except that they didn't take the i-pod or the sweatpants until they got a warrant ten days later.

I would bet that they never took that cereal bowl, because at the beginning they were looking for a lost boy and his fishing pole. They were concentrating all of their resources on a Rescue/Recovery effort, which was the right thing to do, imo. They weren't trying to prove the boy's father was telling the truth. JMO

We truly don't know what items they took originally.

It seems obvious to me that if they had SAR in, and dogs, those dogs had to of been trained to search for something.

I don't believe any SAR would come in without the ability to track Dylan. It would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

Just because additional items were brought in does not mean the dogs were not able to track.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I can't remember -- did MR ever go to Vallecito Lake?

He could've gone on his own that Monday looking for Dylan before he went searching for him at his friends'.

Or was he there when LE was doing searches with the SAR teams? I know ER and CR were there the day(s) the boats and divers went out but I don't recall MR being there.


If he thought the fishing pole was missing from day 1, it seems logical that he would've stopped by VLake to see if Dylan was headed towards the lake before MR went into Bayfield.

 

[cluciano63]

Agree. Just because a LE consists of 5 members, does not mean that they are not capable of collecting items at a potential crime scene, or that they have never worked a major crime scene or never been trained to handle things on this scale.

It means they don't have the resources available to them that are available to larger ones. Yet they had K9's etc., set up by that evening and were searching.

It does make me ask what other resources they tapped into quickly.

But as I recall, they did not begin to even think of it as a crime scene until a day or two later. They just thought missing teen boy and were looking into various sightings. When i first glanced at this case back then, i sure thought he would turn up within a day.

 

[cluciano63]

I can't remember -- did MR ever go to Vallecito Lake?

He could've gone on his own that Monday looking for Dylan before he went searching for him at his friends'.

Or was he there when LE was doing searches with the SAR teams? I know ER and CR were there the day(s) the boats and divers went out but I don't recall MR being there.


If he thought the fishing pole was missing from day 1, it seems logical that he would've stopped by VLake to see if Dylan was headed towards the lake before MR went into Bayfield.

If he did not go to the lake once he saw the pole missing, why didn't he?

 

[katydid23]

Agree. Just because a LE consists of 5 members, does not mean that they are not capable of collecting items at a potential crime scene, or that they have never worked a major crime scene or never been trained to handle things on this scale.

It means they don't have the resources available to them that are available to larger ones. Yet they had K9's etc., set up by that evening and were searching.

It does make me ask what other resources they tapped into quickly.

But they had no reason to believe MR's house was a major crime scene. They did a quick walk through, according to the reports. They looked to make sure that D wasn't there somewhere, and they said they were looking for his cell phone.

But there were no forensic techs bagging anything, as far as we have been
told. They thought he went fishing by himself and got lost in the woods, or ran away. JMO

 

[Allusonz]

But as I recall, they did not begin to even think of it as a crime scene until a day or two later. They just thought missing teen boy and were looking into various sightings. When i first glanced at this case back then, i sure thought he would turn up within a day.

Is there a cite stating that LE did not treat this as a potential crime scene?

They must of had something for the dogs to track would you not think?

Or did they just simply let the dogs track any scent they could find?

That to me makes no sense.

 

[vasportsmom]

Is there a cite stating that LE did not treat this as a potential crime scene?

They must of had something for the dogs to track would you not think?

Or did they just simply let the dogs track any scent they could find?

That to me makes no sense.

It has been reported that there were no scent items available at MR's. Items had to be collected and delivered from ER's.

 

[LotusPawprint]

If he did not to to the lake once he saw the pole missing, why didn't he?

Yeah. That would seem obvious and logical. It's on his way to Bayfield too.

 

[Allusonz]

It has been reported that there were no scent items available at MR's. Items had to be collected and delivered from ER's.

Not according to LE. The only person I saw that reference from was ER. I as well must ask why would they wait till the weekend to then return home to get items?

Why would they not return immediately if LE required scent items.

Once again it makes no sense to me that dogs were called in to track without something.

 

[katydid23]

We truly don't know what items they took originally.

It seems obvious to me that if they had SAR in, and dogs, those dogs had to of been trained to search for something.

I don't believe any SAR would come in without the ability to track Dylan. It would be a waste of time for everyone involved.

Just because additional items were brought in does not mean the dogs were not able to track.

We have gone round and round in circles about the scent items. But as far as I am concerned, they had no viable or acceptable scent sources from Dylan, so they did the air scent technique, which just searches for the most recent HUMAN trail leaving the area. There are articles that have been linked upthread that said they did not know if it was Dylan's trail they followed or not because they did not have his proper scent.

If they had ever thought that they tracked Dylans trail to a specific location, imo, we would have been told and the investigation would have taken a different turn. jmo

 

[Allusonz]

We have gone round and round in circles about the scent items. But as far as I am concerned, they had no viable or acceptable scent sources from Dylan, so they did the air scent technique, which just searches for the most recent HUMAN trail leaving the area. There are articles that have been linked upthread that said they did not know if it was Dylan's trail they followed or not because they did not have his proper scent.

If they had ever thought that they tracked Dylans trail to a specific location, imo, we would have been told and the investigation would have taken a different turn. jmo

We will have to agree to disagree.

I cannot fathom a SAR team trying to track someone without something to track with.

It is after all a life that could hang in the balance and I don't believe they would play around with a persons life.

 

[katydid23]

Is there a cite stating that LE did not treat this as a potential crime scene?

They must of had something for the dogs to track would you not think?

Or did they just simply let the dogs track any scent they could find?

That to me makes no sense.

There are pages and pages of discussion about this exact thing. You are right, it makes no sense. But I will try and find the articles for you, which include a statement from Sgt Bender, when after a week he FINALLY received a proper scent item of Dylan's.

Apparently MR did not have anything that was not contaminated with other scents. Dylan slept on the couch, and took his dirty clothing with him apparently.

This very thing is one of the most suspicious things for me, imo.

 

[katydid23]

We will have to agree to disagree.

I cannot fathom a SAR team trying to track someone without something to track with.

It is after all a life that could hang in the balance and I don't believe they would play around with a persons life.

WEll, wait until we link you to the statements. I am not making it up.

 

[Allusonz]

WEll, wait until we link you to the statements. I am not making it up.

I believe the ones you will find will refer to the HRD dogs detecting decomp at the lake on 2 separate days by 2 separate sets of animals. They train differently than ones that track.

They did though have dogs out on the Monday evening as well as the Tuesday.

If they had no scent items, or the ability to distinguish between scents why would the dogs continue with no one going back to retrieve items?