CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[asyousay]

I find it disheartening that it was Elaine, MH, and CR that went door to door at midnight right in MR's neighborhood. Why didn't MR do that or go with? MOO

Because he is selfish ?

IMO if innocent he has never shown the proper amount of concern that one would normally expect to see in a case like this .

According to Mark Dylan was his little buddy and they was extremely close and yet I look at Mark's behaviour and I would never of got that . It took Mark to spell it out to me that they had a close relationship once upon a time .

:cow:

 

[imamaze]

I've asked several times to not divide 'us' here. I don't understand why its so difficult to let others have an opinion whether you agree or like it. We are not here to change someones mind, we are not here to attack each other for our thoughts on this case. We are here for Dylan.

Our forum is moderated, if you have a problem with a post that you feel is against TOS then please alert on it so a Mod can check it out. Please don't discuss here on Dylan's thread complaining about each other. It takes away from Dylan. Its not about us, its about Dylan.

Their are going to be many times when you will just have to agree to disagree. This doesn't mean others have to stop discussing it, what it means is you can just scroll on by if you don't want to discuss it.

We try very hard to make Websleuths a nice place to come to and discuss crime cases. We don't get to read every posts so alerting us to a problem helps us out a lot.

Thanks everyone

Ima

 

[TxLady2]

<modsnip>

I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

IMO, most of it is the drama surrounding the case. Maybe I'm wrong but I've followed a lot of cases and some of them have been missing a lot longer than he has, and haven't moved past the first thread. Some get resolved very quickly, of course while others seem to never be solved but eventually the drama dies down or people move on to other cases and get bored with the same old, same old.
That along with the fact that Dylan is a good-looking white kid makes a lot of difference, too. I don't know, but when there is a split family and there are either custody issues or possibly abuse of some kind, it grabs people from the very start. Not being found and LE not issuing regular statements and the parents feuding and fighting... that's like reading a good mystery novel to some folks I guess.
Some cases only need a little catch phrase to draw interest... like in Caylee's case it was "Thirty-one days!" I think that got the whole world's attention.
JMHO, and all that.

 

[The Cheese]

I find it disheartening that it was Elaine, MH, and CR that went door to door at midnight right in MR's neighborhood. Why didn't MR do that or go with? MOO

It's always been my understanding that standard protocol is to have one or both parents stay in the home so LE has easy instant access to ask questions and get necessary information, and so that someone will be there if the child comes home or calls.

This is from the NCMEC booklet that LE agencies distribute to parents of missing children.

Your Role in the Search: The First 48 Hours

In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls or returns. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/228735.pdf

Also, I've seen parents in news videos who, when they finally do leave the house, are obviously devastated, even to the point of physical collapse, needing people to hold them up. From the cases I've followed, it's not unusual not to even see parents for up to a week after the child goes missing.

Some parents are told by LE to stay in the house, parents have to talk with LE to provide necessary info, and some parents are unable to leave the house. They're busy with LE, and they're devastated.

MR said that he was told by LE to stay in the house. It was something like that he was cooperating with LE, whether that was to wait in the house for Dylan to call or come home.

:twocents:

 

[SCHMAE]

IMO, most of it is the drama surrounding the case. Maybe I'm wrong but I've followed a lot of cases and some of them have been missing a lot longer than he has, and haven't moved past the first thread. Some get resolved very quickly, of course while others seem to never be solved but eventually the drama dies down or people move on to other cases and get bored with the same old, same old.
That along with the fact that Dylan is a good-looking white kid makes a lot of difference, too. I don't know, but when there is a split family and there are either custody issues or possibly abuse of some kind, it grabs people from the very start. Not being found and LE not issuing regular statements and the parents feuding and fighting... that's like reading a good mystery novel to some folks I guess.
Some cases only need a little catch phrase to draw interest... like in Caylee's case it was "Thirty-one days!" I think that got the whole world's attention.
JMHO, and all that.

I agree these keep it going but most of those things were unknown at the beginning. Hmmm

 

[Confusion]

He did not call her from the Marshals office.
He spoke to Elaine and said someting like maybe we should call the sheriff and she did. If i remember correctly he didnt notify the marshalls till 6 pm or so.

Do you have a link to any of that? I read/heard that he did call her from the Marshall's Office, that he never "spoke" to Elaine (had to include this since people always correct me!), Elaine is the one who said they should contact the sheriff, and it's always been said that he contacted the Marshall's Office right away. MOO

No way I see a desperate man!
To add to that he drinks!

No cory!
No dylan
No me!

You Mom has Mike!

I know a lot of people who do/did drink, but very few of them have ever murdered anyone; I wish I could say none. As usual, I read that differently than most seem to. I'd like to know what CR said that led up to him saying that. I read it as: "No, Cory." "No, Dylan, no me." "You Mom has Mike" (or Mike has your Mom?)

What I thought he meant was - Whatever Cory had said was wrong. Dylan was everything to him. At least Elaine had someone to turn to for comfort. MOO

I find it disheartening that it was Elaine, MH, and CR that went door to door at midnight right in MR's neighborhood. Why didn't MR do that or go with? MOO

If they hadn't spoken in 3 years, he was probably never asked to go with, or even told where they were going to be/what they were doing. I'll have to say he may have been looking for him by himself during that time since I doubt I could find a link to it after all this time. MOO

 

[ColdHands]

<modsnip>

I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

Two reasons

1) He could be my son's twin brother. Not just looks but every time his friends describe him, I see my boy.

2) 2012 was a terrible year for me as a parent. I happen to live in Aurora CO. The year started with a friend losing her 15 yo son along with 4 other boys in a horrific crash caused by a drunk driver. My cousin's 21yo son was killed in a military training accident. Another friend's daughter was shot at the theater (she survived) that happened 5 days after my son had been there to see a movie. I had to wake my sons that morning and have them check all of their friends because I was so worried - going to that movie that night would have absolutely been par for their group of friends. When school started, a 14 yo girl in our neighborhood hung herself and a few weeks later her best friend (my son's ex girlfriend) tried to do the same. Another friend's niece was killed in the Connecticut shootings. Then there was little Jessica.

I JUST.WANT.ONE.WIN!!!!

You have no idea how badly I want Dylan to show up alive.

 

[Redux]

Right? If MR's ultimate plans are to keep or gain back ER then how is disappearing DR going to accomplish that UNLESS he is alive somewhere?

Maybe the plan was to cause pain, not to keep or gain her back.

 

[Redux]

The idea that MR could have premeditated this is nauseating, but if a parent accidentally hurts a child, their first reaction would be to call 911, not cover it up. So if Dylan is found deceased, and MR is found to have done it, I would be leaning towards premeditation.

 

[Redux]

I don't think his plan was to keep or gain back ER, she had insulted his ego and upset him by leaving him in the first place. Then getting back with her first husband, moving to Colorado Springs and being granted custody after he contested the move, I thnk he found that infuriating.

IMO he is more interested in torturing ER, take notice of his face during the Dr Phil shows, when ER showed distress he showed enjoyment of her pain.

BBM. I've heard others say that - I need to go back and watch the show again and watch his face more.

 

[asyousay]

Maybe the plan was to cause pain, not to keep or gain her back.

Well he has certainly caused that . Elaine and Cory's and everybody involved in the family will never get over this pain :cow:

:cow:

 

[Redux]

Good post from absentia in the last thread (portions snipped by me):

I really do think it was premeditated. I think that's why he's holding on so tight to his story. If it was purely an act of rage, I think he'd break down easier. The circumstances make me think premeditated as does his demeanor since, but I really think he decided to do this and felt completely justified, entitled, to do this. Therefore, he still does. If it were an accident, he wouldn't hold that position so strongly. he'd waver more easily. He did this to serve a purpose, and he feels justified in that purpose. it is serving its purpose and so he believes he did what he had to do for himself. I also think the actual murder was an act of rage, with alcohol. How else could you do something so horrific? But it was planned. I feel sure that he followed his plan to the Tee from the moment DR arrived. I've always thought that he did it the first night as to avoid feeling a bond with DR over a couple of days of hanging out together. He could depersonalize DR easier the faster and sooner he did it.

 

[Redux]

Unless he thinks by never revealing what happened that Elaine will always want his blood and she won't ever let it go which by default means she will never leave him alone ?!

Though part of me thinks that that is Dylan in the lake, part of me wonders if he'll ever be found because of what you said above. If the above is true, MR would be sure to hide DR very very well to continue this monstrous charade for a long time, keeping ER always close.

 

[findDylan]

<modsnip>
I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

For me it's because he is family. I would rather post here and hear others opinions in a moderated forum then on facebook where it's not always so nice and a heck lot more drama.

 

[Ronald99]

Because he is selfish ?

IMO if innocent he has never shown the proper amount of concern that one would normally expect to see in a case like this .
D
According to Mark Dylan was his little buddy and they was extremely close and yet I look at Mark's behaviour and I would never of got that . It took Mark to spell it out to me that they had a close relationship once upon a time .

:cow:

I would like more information concerning that time Dylan was visiting a week, and the ex GF Traveled to stay at MR house _ and she observed Dylan.

I just don't see Dylan's vacation with MR as being enjoyable, I'm wondering if MR arranged for the ex GF to spend that week so Dylan would go home and talk about MR and the new person in his life, maybe thinking Elaine would be jealous.

Reguardless it was childish and disrespectfull that MR arranged that durning Dylan's stay.

 

[Dee10]

[FONT=&quot]From TxJan's transcript
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]&#8220;We haven&#8217;t heard from Dylan all day.&#8221;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]That&#8217;s when it hit me that something wasn&#8217;t right, and I immediately went to the Marshall&#8217;s office in Bayfield.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Melissa Blasius:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Do you remember what you told them? [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Mark Redwine:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, I told them that I hadn&#8217;t heard from Dylan all day and I didn&#8217;t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall&#8217;s Office or to his friend Ryan&#8217;s house or Fernando&#8230;anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn&#8217;t heard from him &#8211; then that&#8217;s when I went over to the Marshall&#8217;s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can &#8220;bang him in the head&#8221; and say, &#8220;Hey, your dad&#8217;s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But at that moment in time&#8230;, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn&#8217;t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall&#8217;s office taking care of this, and that&#8217;s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Melissa Blasius
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]&#8217;Cos she hadn&#8217;t heard from him all day either&#8230;[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Mark Redwine:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, not as she indicated to me&#8230; no. And that&#8217;s when I think she became concerned, and so she called the Sheriff&#8217;s Department, but apparently, because I went to the Marshall&#8217;s Office and she went to the Sheriff&#8217;s Office, there was a time delay in the communication between the Marshall&#8217;s Office getting this information out so that.. because apparently because from what I understand the Sheriff&#8217;s Office had no idea that I had been to the Marshall&#8217;s Office in that short period of time.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]~~~ ER has said he contacted her between 4:30 & 5:00.
[/FONT]

 

[SCHMAE]

For me it's because he is family. I would rather post here and hear others opinions in a moderated forum then on facebook where it's not always so nice and a heck lot more drama.

He's got a big pseudo family now

 

[Redux]

I had a question for everyone that should not lead to any debate or ill will.
What is it about Dylan that has captivated us all for so many weeks? There
have been tons of other missing children since and I try to visit as many threads
as possible but this one is STUCK on repeat in my head and I'm sure many of you feel
the same way.
So why Dylan?

<snipped by me>
I was wondering the same thing. I didn't want to say anything as I didn't want it to sound like some sort of macabre competition, but I was wondering how many cases, adult or children, have this many threads, this many people following the progress of the case.

I can say for me it's probably partly because I have a 12-year-old son who looks a bit like Dylan with the blonde hair and blue eyes and has a propensity for wearing shorts even in the cold of winter!

 

[findDylan]

It's always been my understanding that standard protocol is to have one or both parents stay in the home so LE has easy instant access to ask questions and get necessary information, and so that someone will be there if the child comes home or calls.

This is from the NCMEC booklet that LE agencies distribute to parents of missing children.

Your Role in the Search: The First 48 Hours

In the initial stage of the search, devote your time to providing information to and answering questions from investigators. Once you discover that your child is missing, you will desperately want to help with the search. You may, in fact, wonder how you possibly can stand by and let others look for your child. But the reality is that in most instances, the best use of your energy is not on the physical search itself. Rather, you need to provide information to and answer questions from investigators and to be at home in the event your child calls or returns. The checklist Gathering Evidence in the First 48 Hours identifies the most crucial pieces of background information and evidence that law enforcement will need in the search for your child.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/228735.pdf

Also, I've seen parents in news videos who, when they finally do leave the house, are obviously devastated, even to the point of physical collapse, needing people to hold them up. From the cases I've followed, it's not unusual not to even see parents for up to a week after the child goes missing.

Some parents are told by LE to stay in the house, parents have to talk with LE to provide necessary info, and some parents are unable to leave the house. They're busy with LE, and they're devastated.

MR said that he was told by LE to stay in the house. It was something like that he was cooperating with LE, whether that was to wait in the house for Dylan to call or come home.

:twocents:

I guess I can understand that. However, if it was my kid, I would ask my neighbor if they could sit at my house while I knocked on some doors on my block or the next one over. I could not just sit there and do nothing. JMO

 

[findDylan]

He's got a big pseudo family now

Yes he does. &#10084;&#10084;&#10084;&#10084;&#10084;