CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[Allusonz]

To believe the postal worker was correct, we now have to believe that the other boy either killed Dylan or was bait from a sophisticated ring? Or also disappeared and no one reported him to be missing? Again, it suspends belief for me, as do many things in this case, beginning with the idea that his phone died on Sunday night or that he simply chose not to contact friends.

There seems to be alot of that in this case.

It started with the odds of Dylan being booked on 2 flights that had mechanical issues, which resulted in Dylan not being able to fly out on the 17th.

I fly alot and I cannot recall one time that happened. Now weather is a completely different issue altogether

There is a great way to check for this information as it must all be reported. They break this information down by airlines, airports, and then the various issues whether that be mechanical problems or a baggage issue. It can even be broken down by month.

 

[Confusion]

There are statements here that have never made sense to me. First it is stated that MR refused to take the polygraph yet they were 20 minutes into the questioning. Then JT states that he made a statement not a question.

Health issues are usually addressed prior to the testing, so I must ask did JT see something that would skew the results. I know we have not heard of any medical issues with respect to MR but it is one of those things that make me go hhhmm again.

I have always felt that MR took more than one polygraph. I think he was informed he failed by LE and asked to take another one. The events with JT make me wonder if there is an underlying heart issue or something with MR that was identified.

Then they make a point to state that never have both the mother and father of a missing child both refused to take a polygraph.


JT: You didn’t look so spiffy this morning. You know I should have asked you, are you suffering the effects of the Jim Beam, or just not feeling good?

JT: Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it


BBM

Here's what Trimarco said. I keep wondering why that mother is in there -

Dr. Phil: In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

Trimarco: I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not

There were a few things on that show that sounded like a setup to me, and these were a couple of them. Maybe I'm not just getting paranoid. :waitasec: If I were asked if I felt good enough to do it, I'd probably say, "No, but I'll do it anyway." I wouldn't expect the test to just stop because of that, and I sure wouldn't consider it refusing to take the test.

I saw the mother and father thing to be a way to avoid lying themselves. I had a friend years ago who always said that she never lied, but she sometimes kicked the h*ll out of the truth. That's what I felt like they were doing there to pressure him into taking the test. That way, if MR had been a fan of the show and mentioned a parent who refused to take a test, they could just say that both mother and father hadn't refused that time. I guess I don't have much faith in television personalities who try to come off as something they aren't. MOO

 

[catswhiskers]

There has not been a single bit of Factual evidence that shows or has been proven that Dylan was alive, seen, interacted with another person, or reached out to anyone since Sunday evening November 18, 2012

A 13 year old teenager just doesn't stop communicating with his friends, Something or someone caused the disappearance of Dylan Redwine.

Does anyone out there really believe this young teenager that was so excited about meeting his best friends, that he would suddenly decide to ignore all communications with them, and disable his cell phone so it would no longer connect with any cell tower ? That he wouldn't attempt to further contact them by any means Possibile ? Dylan also had another electronic device, an iPod touch, and it also apparently met some type of unexplainable fate as Dylan's cell phone, that it also was not transmitting any further messages after a certain time Sunday night November 18, 2012.

What Prevented Dylan Redwine from contacting anyone Monday Morning, or afternoon ? Even if Dylan's cell phone went missing, and his iPod touch went missing, or they both decided to become defective at the same time.

Dylan would've contacted his mother or brother, or "" Father "" yet MR is oblivious to anything concerning Dylan's cell phone, and MR Furthers this with his claims of attempting to contacting Dylan using only text messages prior to returning home, instead of calling the cell or home phone _ yet MR never stated he called Dylan's cell phone because that would've opened up more questions, if you called Dylan and received a voicemail, or it never rang, why once returning home did you decide to fall asleep, instead of immediately searching or contacting authorities concerning this matter !!

BBM that's why we're all here and what we are trying to figure out - and we have had some excellent constructive postings here over the past hours.
None of us know what happened to Dylan - and neither does LE by all accounts.

I haven't heard MR state anything about the cell phone, apart from assuming that was what Dylan was using on the couch that evening.
I also don't recall any of the reporters or even Dr P asking any questions about whether or not MR is oblivious to anything about Dylan's cell phone - and those people are the ones who drive the interviews so to speak. In fact we have sure heard about it when MR has elaborated or given what has been deemed too many or off topic details, so I imagine there would have been an outcry if MR had suddenly started talking about Dylan's phone.

MR is Dylan's father (and for now at least, still regarded a victim by some of us) so I'm not sure why that needs to be highlighted unless there are some paternity issues that I'm unaware of??

Woops - meant to say also that there hasn't been any evidence revealed at all IIRC.
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[catswhiskers]

I call it magic. Magical things happen on the Dr Phil show. It's amazing, astounding, and very entertaining.

Trimarco:
I had questions about the man that I met this morning physically and in appearance versus the man I met yesterday. Uh…
Mark was… disheveled, and when I later asked him, have you had any alcohol or drugs in the last 24 hours, he said, yeah I had a ½ bottle of Jim Beam last night. Well, he started to give me excuses why he wasn’t going to take the test, and one of the questions that I needed to ask him in that pre-test portion of the exam is, do you feel well enough to take this exam, and he said, no.

And then Poof! Shazam! the question turns into not a question, but a statement. Just like the mother and father turned into a father you Mark the only father in the whole wide world.

It's magic. :hypno: :juggle: :yes:

MR:
Well…and I guess when you were asking me these questions and you asked that question and I responded to it and I gave you my answer, I guess I was… I was expecting another question to follow that one, and… and…and at that point when it stopped

Trimarco:
Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it.

Yes, well spotted

 

[The Cheese]

There has not been a single bit of Factual evidence that shows or has been proven that Dylan was alive, seen, interacted with another person, or reached out to anyone since Sunday evening November 18, 2012

A 13 year old teenager just doesn't stop communicating with his friends, Something or someone caused the disappearance of Dylan Redwine.

Does anyone out there really believe this young teenager that was so excited about meeting his best friends, that he would suddenly decide to ignore all communications with them, and disable his cell phone so it would no longer connect with any cell tower ? That he wouldn't attempt to further contact them by any means Possibile ? Dylan also had another electronic device, an iPod touch, and it also apparently met some type of unexplainable fate as Dylan's cell phone, that it also was not transmitting any further messages after a certain time Sunday night November 18, 2012.

What Prevented Dylan Redwine from contacting anyone Monday Morning, or afternoon ? Even if Dylan's cell phone went missing, and his iPod touch went missing, or they both decided to become defective at the same time.

Dylan would've contacted his mother or brother, or "" Father "" yet MR is oblivious to anything concerning Dylan's cell phone, and MR Furthers this with his claims of attempting to contacting Dylan using only text messages prior to returning home, instead of calling the cell or home phone _ yet MR never stated he called Dylan's cell phone because that would've opened up more questions, if you called Dylan and received a voicemail, or it never rang, why once returning home did you decide to fall asleep, instead of immediately searching or contacting authorities concerning this matter !!

I don't know when the phone stopped connecting with the cell tower, but you explained the other day to me how you came to that conclusion, and I appreciate that, and respect your opinion.

I think Dylan, having been up until 4am Sunday morning, and traveled all afternoon, may well have been tired and fallen asleep. Or he might also have stayed up watching TV.

In either case, and in the morning, it's certainly feasible to me that Dylan simply didn't return any more texts or initiate any texts. I came to the conclusion

(based on Elaine's statements (NG 12/3 & Blasius), as well as on her behavior (not being surprised or upset or concerned and not taking any action to determine if something was wrong when Dylan didn't return her text Sunday night and she apparently just went to bed and didn't try to contact Dylan, and the same when Dylan didn't return her text she sent Monday morning she wasn't surprised or upset or concerned but apparently just went on to work and didn't try to contact Dylan all day), and the behavior of Dylan's friend R who wasn't upset or concerned until late afternoon when MR showed up and simply sent a where are you text at 6:46am and a come to nando's text at about 10am and didn't contact ER))

that it was not unusual or uncommon but well within Dylan's norm not to text or text back to people.

It's very feasible therefore that Dylan may have in the morning, as Bender said, left the house and been abducted, or as Bender also said, something may have happened at the house, that being someone came to the house and abducted Dylan. Perhaps planned, perhaps unplanned - non-family abductors are frequently known in some way to the child or the child to them. Sexual predator non-family abductors are frequently opportunists, not planning, but seeing an opportunity to abduct, take advantage of the situation.

Bender's statement - "He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Info on non-family abductions - Nonfamily Abducted Children:
National Estimates and Characteristics - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

Info on family abductions - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC75.pdf

Info on family abductions, non-family abductions, stereotypical kidnappings, runaways, thrownaways, lost, injured, otherwise missing, attempted abductions, child homicide, and more from NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/TTT_Presentation.pdf

 

[The Cheese]

If the Mail lady is shown to have a personal relationship with Mark, that would make me feel that her alleged sighting was made for nefarious reasons. MOO.

I wouldn't feel it was nefarious. Everyone in that area seems to know everyone else. I'd think it was unusual if they didn't know each other.

 

[Allusonz]

Wow I just have to echo catwhiskers post about how nice it was to come to the thread today!! Many points are being discussed and it seems like a nice atmosphere.

Have super night all

 

[catswhiskers]

Bender's statement - "He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Snipped for space by me. I have seen this quote repeatedly now and have obviously not given it enough thought previously. I'm wondering if I'm just being too simplistic here - but to me this indicates that LE may well have evidence that Dylan at least made it to the house? And that abduction is one of their two primary theories. I get that the other option of something happening at the house could very well mean that they suspect MR, but I guess it just dawned on me that they have certainly narrowed it down. Otherwise adding the "I could not think of a 3rd possibility" would be a strange statement to make, no??

:moo:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

RN was in Pagosa not Bayfield on the Sunday night thus the driving distance would be further.

RN was going to be spending the night at his Grandmas house in Bayfield

 

[The Cheese]

Snipped for space by me. I have seen this quote repeatedly now and have obviously not given it enough thought previously. I'm wondering if I'm just being too simplistic here - but to me this indicates that LE may well have evidence that Dylan at least made it to the house? And that abduction is one of their two primary theories. I get that the other option of something happening at the house could very well mean that they suspect MR, but I guess it just dawned on me that they have certainly narrowed it down. Otherwise adding the "I could not think of a 3rd possibility" would be a strange statement to make, no??

:moo:

Yes I agree. Having both scenarios include Dylan at the house, and then the not being to think of a 3rd scenario, leads me to the conclusion that they have definite proof that Dylan was in the house. I keep thinking it might be that Dylan made a call from the landline Sunday evening, but it could have been some kind of DNA or fingerprint evidence.

O/T - I just can't sleep even though it's now 4:10am so I'm really glad there are others here posting! And to echo others, it has been much better posting tonight.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Hypothetically, if you were 100% innocent and failed a polygraph, would you take another one? I personally would take a polygraph if my child went missing, but if I was 100% innocent and failed, I would no longer trust the process. I would not agree to a second test. I am not postulating this is what happened in MR's case. This is just something I have been thinking about. Especially when I think about Breeann Rodriguez and her parents. Just food for thought.

I would take them over and over and over again if it would get LE one step closer to finding my daughter/son.

 

[SuperMom1995]

bringing this over from the previous thread, with Psychic Sleuth's reply in violet below:


Quote:
Originally Posted by La Louve View Post
The way this reads, it sounds to me like he is saying that for the visit in November he was able to book a non-stop flight for Dylan. But I still have not been able to confirm that there were any non-stop flights from Colorado Springs to Durango around Thanksgiving week last year. Right now there is one carrier, United, and all flights on that route go through Denver and require a change of planes.

Maybe it's a small thing, but for me it reinforces how vague and ambiguous his answers are to even simple questions. And that contributes to my being suspicious of him and his involvement with Dylan's disappearance.


I believe it was a straight flight with a stop in Denver. In other words, Dylan never got off or changed planes. They just make a brief stop and continue on to their destination. I've been on those and they do call it a direct flight if I recall.

I thought that's what he was trying to say too at first, but my limited sleuthing on the airline timetables does not support that belief. All the flights for Saturday prior to Thanksgiving week this year require a change of planes in Denver. So if there were no non-stop, no change of plane flights last year on the Saturday before Thanksgiving (the original date Dylan was going to fly) I'm asking myself why would MR even bring that up or outright lie about it? He doesn't actually finish the sentence.

And then it hit me while I was loading the dishwasher, what if the whole point of his rambling answer was to point out that he and ER disagreed over whether Dylan should be allowed to travel unaccompanied and change planes in Denver. IMO He took the question as an opportunity to throw in a cheap shot at ER.

Yes that and to try to explain away the one way ticket he bought on 9/21/12 IMO

 

[nikb]

<snipped for space>
BUT on Dr. Phil he states:

MR:
To respond to that, if I may, I attempted to go to T’s house to talk to him but he didn’t answer the door. I assumed that possibly him and Dylan were at the lake. You know the fishing pole has never been found…I assumed that maybe that was a possibility. Do I know for a fact that he had a fishing pole? Absolutely not…<snip>

And then there was this whole back and forth about the fishing pole right after the "Absolutely not." BBM...

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

On re-reading this did actually answer a few questions for me, and of course brought up a couple more.

There's confirmation from CR that this fishing pole at least exists and he has/had seen it in the garage at MR's house. It was kept at MR's house, not brought with him from his Mom's (also backed up by the pic from the airport since he wasn't carrying a fishing pole). There was also some speculation early on that maybe they bought the fishing pole that day at Walmart, and that's why it was so obvious to MR that it was gone, but I think we can rule out that possibility.

MR says he's doesn't know for a fact that Dylan has/had the fishing pole, but that there are several places in the house that the fishing pole could be. I assume since he said it's missing it wasn't in any of those places. So that leaves me to wonder where is it? Is it with Dylan? Did someone steal it?

 

[SuperMom1995]

And I know there's a difference between a 27 year old and a 13 year old. I was never in that position because I had my daughter full time at that age but knowing how important her friends are to her I probably would have pre-arranged a sleep over with her friends at my house or something.

Well that's the thing too. IMO I see a pattern that he seems to be close to his sons when they are very young and adoring and easily controlled but when they start to "come of age" and gain independence and mostly be with friends he can't handle it and seems to feel rejected.

 

[catswhiskers]

And then there was this whole back and forth about the fishing pole right after the "Absolutely not." BBM...

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

On re-reading this did actually answer a few questions for me, and of course brought up a couple more.

There's confirmation from CR that this fishing pole at least exists and he has/had seen it in the garage at MR's house. It was kept at MR's house, not brought with him from his Mom's (also backed up by the pic from the airport since he wasn't carrying a fishing pole). There was also some speculation early on that maybe they bought the fishing pole that day at Walmart, and that's why it was so obvious to MR that it was gone, but I think we can rule out that possibility.

MR says he's doesn't know for a fact that Dylan has/had the fishing pole, but that there are several places in the house that the fishing pole could be. I assume since he said it's missing it wasn't in any of those places. So that leaves me to wonder where is it? Is it with Dylan? Did someone steal it?

BBm Good point, and well spotted there too nikb

 

[Ronald99]

I don't know when the phone stopped connecting with the cell tower, but you explained the other day to me how you came to that conclusion, and I appreciate that, and respect your opinion.

I think Dylan, having been up until 4am Sunday morning, and traveled all afternoon, may well have been tired and fallen asleep. Or he might also have stayed up watching TV.

In either case, and in the morning, it's certainly feasible to me that Dylan simply didn't return any more texts or initiate any texts. I came to the conclusion

(based on Elaine's statements (NG 12/3 & Blasius), as well as on her behavior (not being surprised or upset or concerned and not taking any action to determine if something was wrong when Dylan didn't return her text Sunday night and she apparently just went to bed and didn't try to contact Dylan, and the same when Dylan didn't return her text she sent Monday morning she wasn't surprised or upset or concerned but apparently just went on to work and didn't try to contact Dylan all day), and the behavior of Dylan's friend R who wasn't upset or concerned until late afternoon when MR showed up and simply sent a where are you text at 6:46am and a come to nando's text at about 10am and didn't contact ER))

that it was not unusual or uncommon but well within Dylan's norm not to text or text back to people.

It's very feasible therefore that Dylan may have in the morning, as Bender said, left the house and been abducted, or as Bender also said, something may have happened at the house, that being someone came to the house and abducted Dylan. Perhaps planned, perhaps unplanned - non-family abductors are frequently known in some way to the child or the child to them. Sexual predator non-family abductors are frequently opportunists, not planning, but seeing an opportunity to abduct, take advantage of the situation.

Bender's statement - "He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Info on non-family abductions - Nonfamily Abducted Children:
National Estimates and Characteristics - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

Info on family abductions - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC75.pdf

Info on family abductions, non-family abductions, stereotypical kidnappings, runaways, thrownaways, lost, injured, otherwise missing, attempted abductions, child homicide, and more from NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/TTT_Presentation.pdf

There's only a single person that can fully explain all this, and I've seen investigations that involved an onduty police officer in Florida accused of handcuffing a female recently arrested and engaging in a felony act.

This took around six months to complete, So given all the evidence discovered and the amount of investigators involved in Dylan's case, I believe there focusing on a single person, And a future arrest is highly probable.

Just the small amounts of evidence we've viewed and analized, had we been privy to the actual cell records involving Dylan and MR, and the Video from the airport - Walmart - McDonalds, the way Dylan and MR interacted inside Walmart.

if it actually appeared they were shopping, or Dylan was upset that he wasn't able to see or spend the evening with Ryan, and instead of completing purchasing snacks and food, Maybe Dylan Stormed off away from MR, and this possibly enraged an already tensed situation.

I'm not sure the distance between Walmart and McDonalds, but I would've thought a sit down meal would have given them a chance to interact together, instead of grabbing food if that's what actually occurred. MR was the adult and I myself have had others with me in my vehicle going to McDonald's, and they wanted to use the Drivethru, these have on several occasions been my teen nephews, I'm very set in my ways, I'm not the type to grab food and eat inside my pickup truck, I always go inside and enjoy the food, plus refills. Many occasions my nephews wanted to grab and run, but my wishes prevailed. MR claimed he wanted a sit down meal that night, Again we can only go by what he claims because Dylan is not hear to voice his side.

Everyone of us has the ability to give our version of events we think might have taken place, and no one has the right to critize another for whatever they believe might have happened.

When I read some of the abduction stories, or Dylan was handed off, or Dylan just allowed his cell phone to die, and set off on his journey and might have been picked up by a stranger, or worse __ anything is possible, and any of these events that others have posted could've actually happened.

In my Heart I want to hold that belief Dylan's alive, and because of other members theories the possibility exist.Even though there theories seem impossible, there's still that slim possibility. Theres no such thing as stupid suggestions or theories. Whatever the outcome turns out to be, This was always about Dylan, and wanting him Returned home Safely.

I just want to thank everyone that's helped me to better understand this Forum, and all the suggestions that's been posted, My view concerning MR has never changed from the Start, if anything it's Solified my opinion of him more than ever !!

 

[katydid23]

And then there was this whole back and forth about the fishing pole right after the "Absolutely not." BBM...

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

On re-reading this did actually answer a few questions for me, and of course brought up a couple more.

There's confirmation from CR that this fishing pole at least exists and he has/had seen it in the garage at MR's house. It was kept at MR's house, not brought with him from his Mom's (also backed up by the pic from the airport since he wasn't carrying a fishing pole). There was also some speculation early on that maybe they bought the fishing pole that day at Walmart, and that's why it was so obvious to MR that it was gone, but I think we can rule out that possibility.

MR says he's doesn't know for a fact that Dylan has/had the fishing pole, but that there are several places in the house that the fishing pole could be. I assume since he said it's missing it wasn't in any of those places. So that leaves me to wonder where is it? Is it with Dylan? Did someone steal it?

The fishing pole story is the thing that makes me most suspicious of MR. I do not believe that Dylan took his fishing pole with him on Monday morning. That scenario makes no sense to me. Yet Mark was eagerly pushing that story from 'day one' with LE. That is what first set off my hinky meter---when he berated LE for not dragging the lake sooner.

 

[Seajay]

If the fishing pole was in the house, by the TV, then MR would have noticed it missing sooner rather than later. And it's obvious that Dylan did some fishing or he wouldn't even have a fishing pole. IMO. Even CR admits to there BEING a fishing pole.

CR:
When you go into your house the fishing pole is in the garage. You didn’t walk through the garage and into the house before you went into the house...

MR:
There’s several places that that fishing pole is… it was either next to the TV

CR:
It’s always in the garage. Then how come that’s the first …you noticed that before his bike? Before his footprints?

 

[SuperMom1995]

"MR: A question was asked if I gave an honest answer to it. The question was, do you feel well enough to take this test, and my response to that question was, No. It became clear that by answering no to that question that... there was no point in proceeding any farther.

JT: Mark decided that he didn’t feel well enough to take the polygraph test. He told me he had about 3 hours of sleep last night and he had a ½ bottle of Jim Beam on top of things, so.... Uh... he doesn’t feel well enough to take the test.

<snip>

JT: Well, he was agitated because he said that this was kind of thrust upon him. He didn’t expect to be doing this, and um... he needed time to think it all out. He didn’t want to take it. He didn’t trust the process. I was, quite frankly, getting fatigued. I would ask question and he would give me the answer to something else. Until finally I just had to say, are we doing this or not?"

Snipped and BBM by me

Why does that not surprise me? I have a feeling this is exactly what LE went through with their LDT. How can you give someone a LDT when they won't give a direct answer and constantly change the subject? I can imaging it's exhausting!

It just kills me. I'm sorry but IMO we are responsible for.our babies from the womb to the tomb ( in different degrees Ofcourse) but him whining it was thrust upon me" (polygraph) He should just imagine how dylan must have felt when his fate was THRUST upon him ???????

 

[catswhiskers]

The fishing pole story is the thing that makes me most suspicious of MR. I do not believe that Dylan took his fishing pole with him on Monday morning. That scenario makes no sense to me. Yet Mark was eagerly pushing that story from 'day one' with LE. That is what first set off my hinky meter---when he berated LE for not dragging the lake sooner.

I have never seen how MR "pushed" the fishing pole story - IIRC he mentioned that it was likely Dylan had it with him in that early doorstep interview. I've also not seen him "berating" LE - in that same interview he said something like he wondered why they hadn't checked the lake sooner. If anything, IMO he has constantly been supportive of LE's efforts and understanding of why they would need to investigate him personally, as well as seeing the need for them to be allowed to get on with their investigation. As always, it's all in the interpretation with a dose of personal opinion too.
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