CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[La Louve]

I thought that one of the first things that Mark did was to try and find Dylan's friends and see if he was with them.

I also thought that I heard Elaine say that Dylan didn't even like to fish. That made me wonder why Dylan even had a fishing pole. Somethings wrong here. MOO.

On Day 1 of the Dr. Phil show ER states:

"Dylan is not a big fisherperson. He didn’t even know how to thread his own line. "

 

[cluciano63]

If MR took the phone and has been lying about it, he has purposely continued to throw off the investigation and reduce the chances of finding Dylan. Not admitting that on day one would be one thing, but if he is keeping up such a lie, he is deliberately impeding the case. I hope, if he is, LE can get him to admit it and charge him with tampering, and perhaps some results could come of that.

 

[RANCH]

I don't remember Elaine saying that Dylan didn't fish or that he didn't like to fish, just that he couldn't thread his own line. He wouldn't have needed someone to thread his line unless he did go fishing. I have no idea whether he liked it or not, but I don't imagine he'd do it if he didn't like it somewhat.

ETA - here's the quote -

Dylan is not a big fisherperson. He didn’t even know how to thread his own line.

On Day 1 of the Dr. Phil show ER states:

"Dylan is not a big fisherperson. He didn’t even know how to thread his own line. "

That makes me wonder if Dylan was totally disinterested in fishing or not. Hard to say.

Thanks for the quotes.

 

[The Cheese]

If MR took the phone and has been lying about it, he has purposely continued to throw off the investigation and reduce the chances of finding Dylan. Not admitting that on day one would be one thing, but if he is keeping up such a lie, he is deliberately impeding the case. I hope, if he is, LE can get him to admit it and charge him with tampering, and perhaps some results could come of that.

Why would MR take Dylan's phone? Has he taken his phone on past visits?

 

[catswhiskers]

If MR took the phone and has been lying about it, he has purposely continued to throw off the investigation and reduce the chances of finding Dylan. Not admitting that on day one would be one thing, but if he is keeping up such a lie, he is deliberately impeding the case. I hope, if he is, LE can get him to admit it and charge him with tampering, and perhaps some results could come of that.

Yes I agree. I can also see that he could have just dug himself deeper and deeper, especially once he noticed how he quickly became the focus of anger and accusations. All just a theory of course though. It would be interesting to see the texts that were exchanged between all the family members in those early days. I think there could be a lot more eye opening info in all those texts.
:moo:

 

[cluciano63]

Why would MR take Dylan's phone? Has he taken his phone on past visits?

Several people have suggested it, including one post a few ahead of mine. This has been the theory of some since the start.

 

[catswhiskers]

Why would MR take Dylan's phone? Has he taken his phone on past visits?

That was just one of my theories there The Cheese. Call me bossy and a tyrant, but I have no qualms about confiscating all manner of technology which I have provided in my house when I feel the need.:furious: Has only happened a couple of times, but boy does it get bums off chairs and a bit of housework/homework done in record time!

 

[Allusonz]

There are statements here that have never made sense to me. First it is stated that MR refused to take the polygraph yet they were 20 minutes into the questioning. Then JT states that he made a statement not a question.

Health issues are usually addressed prior to the testing, so I must ask did JT see something that would skew the results. I know we have not heard of any medical issues with respect to MR but it is one of those things that make me go hhhmm again.

I have always felt that MR took more than one polygraph. I think he was informed he failed by LE and asked to take another one. The events with JT make me wonder if there is an underlying heart issue or something with MR that was identified.

Then they make a point to state that never have both the mother and father of a missing child both refused to take a polygraph.


JT: You didn’t look so spiffy this morning. You know I should have asked you, are you suffering the effects of the Jim Beam, or just not feeling good?

JT: Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it


BBM

Here's what Trimarco said. I keep wondering why that mother is in there -

Dr. Phil: In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

Trimarco: I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not

 

[nikb]

Until I hear for a fact that this witness has a personal relationship with Mark that could affect her credibility, I will just take her statements for what they are. And that's her saying that she may have had a sighting of Dylan. MOO.

I agree. I hope it doesn't come across that I'm stating this thought as a fact - it's not a fact AFAIK, and unless something more comes out I/we wouldn't have any way of knowing. It's just something that came to mind as a possibility, for the reasons I've mentioned, but all just thoughts based on my impressions. Even if she does have some type of friendly relationship with MR and/or DR I don't feel like it affects her credibility negatively. I'd take it as one possible way that I'd better understand how she recognized a boy she probably doesn't see very often, and she seems fairly sure it was Dylan.

 

[La Louve]

That makes me wonder if Dylan was totally disinterested in fishing or not. Hard to say.

Thanks for the quotes.

From ER's statement and one other comment about brother Cory threading Dylan's line, my impression is that Dylan was interested in fishing if someone else with more experience was with him. I don't have the impression that he would on his own volition go off fishing on his own.

 

[deoneta]

From the MB interview:

And, it was probably 2:30 by the time I realized that Dylan still is not home and so I’m thinkin’ well, if he ain’t gonna’ return my text messages and I ain’t hearing my phone ringing ‘cos he ain’t calling me, I
need to go find that boy.

So, I stopped by his friend Tristan’s house, down across from the marina up here at the lake, and nobody answered the door. So, I’m thinking, well, I didn’t see his fishing pole, you know, and I thought maybe he had wandered off and went fishing so maybe he was with Tristan at the lake. So, I’m driving by the lake looking for him and Tristan and didn’t see anything…

Apparently, it "hit" MR that the fishing pole was missing before it "hit" him that his son was missing. All MOO

 

[Allusonz]

I am not sure of all the exact addresses, but oddly enough, it takes about 25 minutes to go from Durango to Bayfield (not sure where the McDonalds is at).
I takes about an hour and 15 minutes to get from Durango to Mark's house.
It takes about an hour to get from Mark's house to Bayfield.

It was far faster to go from Durango to Bayfield, so leaving Dylan behind in the morning makes very little sense, from a traveling time point of view.

RN was in Pagosa not Bayfield on the Sunday night thus the driving distance would be further.

 

[The Cheese]

There are statements here that have never made sense to me. First it is stated that MR refused to take the polygraph yet they were 20 minutes into the questioning. Then JT states that he made a statement not a question.

Health issues are usually addressed prior to the testing, so I must ask did JT see something that would skew the results. I know we have not heard of any medical issues with respect to MR but it is one of those things that make me go hhhmm again.

I have always felt that MR took more than one polygraph. I think he was informed he failed by LE and asked to take another one. The events with JT make me wonder if there is an underlying heart issue or something with MR that was identified.

Then they make a point to state that never have both the mother and father of a missing child both refused to take a polygraph.


JT: You didn’t look so spiffy this morning. You know I should have asked you, are you suffering the effects of the Jim Beam, or just not feeling good?

JT: Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it


BBM

Here's what Trimarco said. I keep wondering why that mother is in there -

Dr. Phil: In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

Trimarco: I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not

I call it magic. Magical things happen on the Dr Phil show. It's amazing, astounding, and very entertaining.

Trimarco:
I had questions about the man that I met this morning physically and in appearance versus the man I met yesterday. Uh…
Mark was… disheveled, and when I later asked him, have you had any alcohol or drugs in the last 24 hours, he said, yeah I had a ½ bottle of Jim Beam last night. Well, he started to give me excuses why he wasn’t going to take the test, and one of the questions that I needed to ask him in that pre-test portion of the exam is, do you feel well enough to take this exam, and he said, no.

And then Poof! Shazam! the question turns into not a question, but a statement. Just like the mother and father turned into a father you Mark the only father in the whole wide world.

It's magic. :hypno: :juggle: :yes:

MR:
Well…and I guess when you were asking me these questions and you asked that question and I responded to it and I gave you my answer, I guess I was… I was expecting another question to follow that one, and… and…and at that point when it stopped

Trimarco:
Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it.

 

[Ronald99]

Of course, it is also not confirmed that Dylan was even alive on Monday. In fact, almost nothing has been confirmed. So using the word in relation to this sighting is kind of meaningless.

There has not been a single bit of Factual evidence that shows or has been proven that Dylan was alive, seen, interacted with another person, or reached out to anyone since Sunday evening November 18, 2012

A 13 year old teenager just doesn't stop communicating with his friends, Something or someone caused the disappearance of Dylan Redwine.

Does anyone out there really believe this young teenager that was so excited about meeting his best friends, that he would suddenly decide to ignore all communications with them, and disable his cell phone so it would no longer connect with any cell tower ? That he wouldn't attempt to further contact them by any means Possibile ? Dylan also had another electronic device, an iPod touch, and it also apparently met some type of unexplainable fate as Dylan's cell phone, that it also was not transmitting any further messages after a certain time Sunday night November 18, 2012.

What Prevented Dylan Redwine from contacting anyone Monday Morning, or afternoon ? Even if Dylan's cell phone went missing, and his iPod touch went missing, or they both decided to become defective at the same time.

Dylan would've contacted his mother or brother, or "" Father "" yet MR is oblivious to anything concerning Dylan's cell phone, and MR Furthers this with his claims of attempting to contacting Dylan using only text messages prior to returning home, instead of calling the cell or home phone _ yet MR never stated he called Dylan's cell phone because that would've opened up more questions, if you called Dylan and received a voicemail, or it never rang, why once returning home did you decide to fall asleep, instead of immediately searching or contacting authorities concerning this matter !!

 

[The Cheese]

From the MB interview:

And, it was probably 2:30 by the time I realized that Dylan still is not home and so I’m thinkin’ well, if he ain’t gonna’ return my text messages and I ain’t hearing my phone ringing ‘cos he ain’t calling me, I
need to go find that boy.

So, I stopped by his friend Tristan’s house, down across from the marina up here at the lake, and nobody answered the door. So, I’m thinking, well, I didn’t see his fishing pole, you know, and I thought maybe he had wandered off and went fishing so maybe he was with Tristan at the lake. So, I’m driving by the lake looking for him and Tristan and didn’t see anything…

Apparently, it "hit" MR that the fishing pole was missing before it "hit" him that his son was missing. All MOO

Thank you! That solves that question.

 

[Allusonz]

I do not think the mail lady was lying. I believe she honestly thinks she saw Dylan and another boy that morning. Why would she put herself out there like that when it's so unpopular to back MR up on anything??? IMO. Now, whether or not she did, I don't have a clue, I wasn't there, I don't know the mail lady and I haven't talked to her. JMO.

There is the possibility that the mail lady lived in Bayfield, thus had seen Dylan whether he was in Vallecito or Bayfield.

MR mentioned that Dylan could take the bus to and from school which led me to think that Dylan had done this.

Bayfield is not a large town and there is something like 100 residents in Vallecito? I think that is the number I came across.

Could she of been mistaken? Yes.

Maybe the used hypnosis on her? I have no idea, but that could be one way of trying to confirm the sighting.

 

[RANCH]

I agree. I hope it doesn't come across that I'm stating this thought as a fact - it's not a fact AFAIK, and unless something more comes out I/we wouldn't have any way of knowing. It's just something that came to mind as a possibility, for the reasons I've mentioned, but all just thoughts based on my impressions. Even if she does have some type of friendly relationship with MR and/or DR I don't feel like it affects her credibility negatively. I'd take it as one possible way that I'd better understand how she recognized a boy she probably doesn't see very often, and she seems fairly sure it was Dylan.

If the Mail lady is shown to have a personal relationship with Mark, that would make me feel that her alleged sighting was made for nefarious reasons. MOO.

 

[catswhiskers]

RN was in Pagosa not Bayfield on the Sunday night thus the driving distance would be further.

That's what I believed too Allusonz - that a trip to Pagosa would have been involved. If only teens used punctuation! Then it wouldn't be up to us to decide how to interpret things. I see R below as asking a question about Dylan coming to Pagosa, though I can see others might say it means R was on his way back from Pagosa himself.

R: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

R: Ok

 

[Allusonz]

I call it magic. Magical things happen on the Dr Phil show. It's amazing, astounding, and very entertaining.

Trimarco:
I had questions about the man that I met this morning physically and in appearance versus the man I met yesterday. Uh…
Mark was… disheveled, and when I later asked him, have you had any alcohol or drugs in the last 24 hours, he said, yeah I had a ½ bottle of Jim Beam last night. Well, he started to give me excuses why he wasn’t going to take the test, and one of the questions that I needed to ask him in that pre-test portion of the exam is, do you feel well enough to take this exam, and he said, no.

And then Poof! Shazam! the question turns into not a question, but a statement. Just like the mother and father turned into a father you Mark the only father in the whole wide world.

It's magic. :hypno: :juggle: :yes:

MR:
Well…and I guess when you were asking me these questions and you asked that question and I responded to it and I gave you my answer, I guess I was… I was expecting another question to follow that one, and… and…and at that point when it stopped

JT:
Well, actually, it wasn’t a question though, Mark. It was a statement by me and I said, well that’s a disqualifier. If you don’t feel well enough to take this test, then we’re not gonna’ do it.

Ok this was cute :floorlaugh:

Could you have imagined the drama if he had LIED and said he felt fine during a lie detector examination.

 

[Cracka*Jaxx]

If the Mail lady is shown to have a personal relationship with Mark, that would make me feel that her alleged sighting was made for nefarious reasons. MOO.

I was wondering about this, myself, ever since I first saw her in the clip from the Dr Phil show. I was suspicious of her right away because she was adamant that she had seen Dylan- no question about it. <modsnip>