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Did he say how he came about discovering the fishing pole was missing?
Sorry, I don't remember.
Did he say how he came about discovering the fishing pole was missing?
When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."
www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder
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"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.
www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county
BUT on Dr. Phil he states:
MR:
To respond to that, if I may, I attempted to go to T’s house to talk to him but he didn’t answer the door. I assumed that possibly him and Dylan were at the lake. You know the fishing pole has never been found…I assumed that maybe that was a possibility. Do I know for a fact that he had a fishing pole? Absolutely not…
Dr. Phil
My question is: Is/Was there a fishing pole missing when MR got home from his errands at 11:30 as reported in the first two links above? Also, since MR then stated on Dr. Phil that he doesn't know for a fact that DR had a fishing pole with him, then just who does MR think did take it? :waitasec:
My question is: Is/Was there a fishing pole missing when MR got home from his errands at 11:30 as reported in the first two links above? Also, since MR then stated on Dr. Phil that he doesn't know for a fact that DR had a fishing pole with him, then just who does MR think did take it? :waitasec:
When I was looking through articles tonight I came across this quote from Bender in the early days of this case, and I found it comforting -
"We know some people are upset that we are even considering the possibility that Dylan may have run away. But, we are working for Dylan and we owe it to him and to his family to consider every possible scenario that could have caused him to drop out of sight for a week. To disregard any potential circumstance could cause us to overlook a possible clue that will lead us to Dylan," said Dan Bender, PIO for La Plata County Sheriffs Office.
Someone may have already posted this, but in one of the clips that Dr Phil played, Dylan's dad definitely referred to his son in the past tense. That's always a bad sign. But even aside from that, I feel certain that dad did something to Dylan.![]()
Thanks, that nails it even more IMO.
Was the fishing pole something he brought from his moms house?
There has been absolutely nothing in MSM thus far that states he brought it with him. It is my opinion only that it was always at Marks.
Did he say how he came about discovering the fishing pole was missing?
Someone may have already posted this, but in one of the clips that Dr Phil played, Dylan's dad definitely referred to his son in the past tense. That's always a bad sign. But even aside from that, I feel certain that dad did something to Dylan.![]()
I don't remember him ever saying how. He said he couldn't find it. When a child goes missing, when LE comes to the house, it's my understanding they ask the parents to walk through the house and tell them anything they notice is missing. So I guess I just always figured that's how he discovered it was missing. When he left the house, he didn't know Dylan was missing. He went to the friends' houses, then to the Marshall's office. I figure LE met him back at the house for the search they talked about doing that day, and during that search, and telling MR to tell them what's missing, that's when he discovered the pole was gone.
I don't remember him ever saying how. He said he couldn't find it. When a child goes missing, when LE comes to the house, it's my understanding they ask the parents to walk through the house and tell them anything they notice is missing. So I guess I just always figured that's how he discovered it was missing. When he left the house, he didn't know Dylan was missing. He went to the friends' houses, then to the Marshall's office. I figure LE met him back at the house for the search they talked about doing that day, and during that search, and telling MR to tell them what's missing, that's when he discovered the pole was gone.
I've fairly frequently heard parents of missing children refer to them in the past tense, even very early in the case. Dylan's mom has referred to Dylan in the past tense throughout the case, even at the very beginning. I think Sierra LaMar's mom did. Both Kyron Horman's parents. I think one of Jessica Ridgeway's parents did. Holly Bobo's mom.
I just don't give it much weight any more after hearing so many of them do it. I think it's a reaction to an extreme fear that their child may be gone forever, or something like that. They're going through a kind of grieving process. I don't know. I'm not a psychologist.![]()
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Here's what we do know from MSM and we can build from there as more details/information emerges:
2007
MR & ER Divorced
Mom/CR/DR live in Bayfield. MR moved to house in Vallecito.
2010
MR & DR go to Chicago - had their version of pizza (see 2011 below)
Melissa Blasius Interview
2011
MR & DR go to Chicago, Wrigley Field, Detroit, Cleveland
MR: last year we went to Chicago to Wrigley Field and then we went to Detroit to a Nascar race and then we went to Cleveland to watch the Rockies play the Indians.
Wed been to Chicago the year before and had their version of pizza. Wed been gone probably a couple weeks, you know he was in a hurry to get back cos he wanted to spend time with his friends
(Melissa Blasius Uncut Interview w/ MR)
2012
July DR, ER, CR move to Colorado Springs
Dylan had lived near there with his mother, Elaine Redwine, until July, when they moved to the Front Range. http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder
September 3 DR visits MR in Vallecito during Labor Day Visit
The last time Dylan visited Vallecito from Colorado Springs, where she moved this summer, was on Labor Day weekend, Redwine said.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/0/SEARCH/'He-would-have-called
September 21 - MR sees DR at Court Hearing
MR: you know I didnt see him again I dont think until the date of the court hearing in September (Melissa Blasius Uncut Interview w/ MR)
September 21 - Most of the recent child custody records sealed including statements made by Dylan made during a family court hearing in September.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history
September 21 - ER said she was awarded sole custody of Dylan on Sept. 21. Previously she and Mark Redwine had shared custody.
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091
September 21 - MR loses child support at 9/21/12 hearing and receives visitation for 11/2012 Thanksgiving (Per AZG)
November - All of the documents also from a hearing in November last one before Dylans disappearance are also sealed at this point.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/339/Missing-boys-family-had-violent-history
Thanksgiving court ordered visitation w/ MR
November 18 - Dylan arrives at LaPlata County Airport (Per LE)
November 19 - Dylan reported missing @ approximately 6:00 p.m. (Per LE)
Why would he even have thought about the fishing pole when he knew from talking to Ryan that Dylan was suppose to go over his house that morning.Ryan and Dylan had no fishing plans.
Ryan sounded very concerned.If my son went missing when he was suppose to go to his buddys house whom I KNEW that he badly wanted to see I would not think that he went fishing.I would think that he got hit by a car or abducted.
MSM Backpack Statements vs Dr. Phil
When he returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack.
durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life&template=mobileart
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When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2Jf4xoyeQ
BUT on Dr. Phil he stated:
When I got home, the TV was on and it was on one of the Nickelodeon channels that he’s always watching. I didn’t notice his backpack not being there.
There was a fishing pole at the house and it was Dylan’s fishing pole. That fishing pole was never found.
Link = Dr. Phil Transcript in Media/Timeline Thread