CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[cluciano63]

BBM

This just raised a question for me; maybe it's been answered, but if so I don't recall seeing it: re: the McDonald's -- last I knew, there was no "video" verification of the two of them being there. Did they ever release anything showing DR at McDonald's, or is the last known picture of him the Wal-Mart one?

LE just listed Dylan at McDonalds as a part of the verification, but no photo or video was released or mentioned.

 

[Kamille]

If the mail person saw two teen boys and also knew Dylan was coming, her brain may have made a connection, even if she did not get a very good look. JMO

I still think she didn't recognize either boy but thought one might be a son of MR based on hair color and was influenced by her conversation with MR that one just might have been Dylan and was encouaged to tell LE that she thought this. Unless she was actually parked or out of her vehicle, her description seems to be from the back while she was driving by them. Hooded sweatshirts and backpacks? It was a school holiday. Why would two boys be walking in the area wearing backpacks? How old approximately were these boys? Young boys or teens? Was one significantly smaller than the other?Hair color of the second boy? Jeans? Shorts? Hat? Dylan's hat is missing too. Did Dylan even have a hooded sweatshirt with him? Or will that morph into zippered hoodie if that is what he brought. Any logo on these sweatshirts?

They were walking northbound near the store. Did they go in the store? And the time is ever changing. Was it 1pm, 1:30pm, 2pm, in the morning? I think I've seen all of these options.

So basically the mail carrier saw two boys with backpacks walking up the road. I'm not even sure if we can count on this sighting being on the Monday and not on a previous day. Was she still working or done for the day?

Just not a credible sighting from the info we've received IMO

 

[Kamille]

I would assume that, up until he came of age, Cory had court-ordered visitation as well?

Except for a brief time when he witnessed his father having sex on the front lawn of his home and it resulted in an altercation in which that same father took out a restraining order on him. Don't imagine he was doing much father son bonding at that time.

MOO

 

[dlc]

I didn't know it wasn't allowed. Would you please delete the discussion?? I was only adding to what was already said. Thank you.

I think that Salem was just saying no *more* discussion, not that it wasn't allowed.

FWIW, I hope it's not deleted -- I found the whole discussion fascinating.

IMO

 

[Confusion]

By DWT I think they mean 'DarnWhiteTruck' ----which always seems to come up in missing cases. For example in Mickey Shunick, everyone was on the lookout for a random white truck. Same with Lyric and Katherine in Iowa.

Hmm, new theory. Do you think he left on a paddleboat? :what: :truce:

 

[dlc]

Hmm, new theory. Do you think he left on a paddleboat? :what: :truce:

What does this mean?????

 

[Seajay]

FTR, I did not say ONE word about respecting an abuser. I never said one word about an abuser. We may not be able to discuss this any further but I wanted that clarified. I don't like people putting words in my posts I did not put. OK?

 

[Kamille]

Hmm, new theory. Do you think he left on a paddleboat? :what: :truce:

No....but quite possibly a white truck.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

What does this mean?????

oops...sorry. Just an O/T about another baffling case. We went around and around on the Lyric and Elizabeth missing cousins case because their bikes were found abandoned by a lake, and there was a paddleboat sitting nearby.And LE hinted it MIGHT have been involved.

 

[dlc]

oops...sorry. Just an O/T about another baffling case. We went around and around on the Lyric and Elizabeth missing cousins case because their bikes were found abandoned by a lake, and there was a paddleboat sitting nearby.And LE hinted it MIGHT have been involved.

I'm not trying to be dense -- this is the first case I've followed on here. Y'all had me confused!

Thank you.

 

[suzier]

I haven't posted any random thoughts lately so I thought I would.

Maybe it's because I don't have kids myself, but my mind has a tendency to think of friends/acquaintances kids frozen at much younger ages than they actually are.

My lack of age perception is even the neighborhood kids that live as close to next door and across the street. I've seen them grow up since infants. Yet, when I see one of them I have to ask my husband which one it is. The young men they have become don't equate in my mind.

My point, yes I do have one, is the mail lady's narrative seems off. If her relationship was cursory, as I think of a mail persons, I would think she would have thought "there are Mark's sons". Otherwise, it would seem she had knowledge only one son visited, of late. Or, other more intimate knowledge of the family dynamics.

 

[deoneta]

I haven't posted any random thoughts lately so I thought I would.

Maybe it's because I don't have kids myself, but my mind has a tendency to think of friends/acquaintances kids frozen at much younger ages than they actually are.

My lack of age perception is even the neighborhood kids that live as close to next door and across the street. I've seen them grow up since infants. Yet, when I see one of them I have to ask my husband which one it is. The young men they have become don't equate in my mind.

My point, yes I do have one, is the mail lady's narrative seems off. If her relationship was cursory, as I think of a mail persons, I would think she would have thought "there are Mark's sons". Otherwise, it would seem she had knowledge only one son visited, of late. Or, other more intimate knowledge of the family dynamics.

I do believe the mail carrier is sincere. I think she saw a couple of boys that afternoon. I do however think her casual observation and recollection was influenced by speaking with MR. The oddest thing about the whole incident IMO is what she said MR told her about Dylan "not coming home the night before", a phrase that seems more appropriate to an older teen staying out all night than to the situation of a missing 13 year old boy. All MOO

 

[nikb]

A few posters commented that the mail lady whose video was shown on Dr. Phil looked a lot like the former girlfriend who actually appeared on stage. I did not see that much resemblance myself, especially around the eyes. But the mail lady was looking down and the camera was pointed slightly up, so IDK. But also, if they were the same woman, why wouldn't they have just questioned her about the sighting while she was there, instead of showing the videotape of her reading her statement? I don't think they are the same person, but that's how this all got started, someone saying they looked alike.
Maybe they're sisters. :what:

Yeah, I was one of the ones who thought they looked a lot alike at first actually. Totally different names and I can't imagine Dr. Phil missing something that huge, though. Plus as you said, looking at them more closely they definitely looked different. FWIW I had that same feeling wondering how/how well MR and the mail carrier knew each other after just seeing her clip. Again I still don't think there's some kind of bias going on or any huge hidden thing, I just still have some questions I guess.

And now I'll stop :deadhorse: (at least on this topic )

 

[nikb]

Why wouldn't LE verify with MR whether or not it was Dylan's before spending 2 days searching?

I'm still catching up so sorry if this has already been covered. Maybe MR wasn't sure? If it was one of those fairly generic "starter" poles like the set someone mentioned at Walmart, it seems like multiple people might have the same type of pole. I always assumed someone heard about the search and came forward to LE and said it was their fishing pole - maybe they broke it and left part of it behind, something like that. But it's a good question... it does seem that they did a lot of searching before saying that it wasn't Dylan's.

 

[deoneta]

I'm still catching up so sorry if this has already been covered. Maybe MR wasn't sure? If it was one of those fairly generic "starter" poles like the set someone mentioned at Walmart, it seems like multiple people might have the same type of pole. I always assumed someone heard about the search and came forward to LE and said it was their fishing pole - maybe they broke it and left part of it behind, something like that. But it's a good question... it does seem that they did a lot of searching before saying that it wasn't Dylan's.

I've always wondered why no description of the rod and reel as far as model, type has been given. I wonder if MR is a fisherman himself. Most people who fish have a variety of rods and reels. I also wonder if it was something he specifically bought for Dylan or just something Dylan had used in the past. I've been thinking it was probably a spincast (closed face) reel and not an open faced spinning reel. A spincast is much easier to use (push button release) and not apt to tangle like an open face reel and something that novice fishermen often use. Whatever kind it was, assuming it is out there somewhere, it seems a description would be useful, especially if it is separated or broken into parts. All MOO

 

[YidArmyRach]

Just because Mark Redwine is this child's biological father does not give him a legitimate right to be respected by said child. A parent has to earn that right. Stating that it is acceptable for Mark to dictate the terms of Dylan's visit without taking into account how the latter (who is the CHILD) feels, and Dylan should have been perfectly okey-dokey-smokey w/that, is simply another form of deferring blame.

How many of us here know parents who feel empowered by controling their children, but are not interested in any way, shape, or form in being an actual parent? They want to reap the rewards, but not do the work to earn them.

In this case, it would be understandable if Dylan got off that plane w/a chip the size of Mt. Evans on his shoulder.

Just my opinion, but none of Dylan's friends have ever said MR was controlling. They said that him and Dylan were like mates, or good friends (not sure the exact wording, but it was that they got on well).

And at the end of the day, Dylan is/was still a minor, so I don't there is anything wrong with his dad, who paid for the trip and was taking time off work to be with Dylan, to have some say in how they were spending the time. Nothing, as far as I am aware, have ever been said along the lines of Mark not allowing Dylan to see his friends in the past - and they haven't said this either. (Obviously there is the "too late at 8.30pm on Sunday night to be dropped off at a friends, but I don't see anything wrong in this. Dylan had just arrived, its natural his dad would want to spend the night with him, rather than dropping him off elsewhere).

The word "child" is important here. Yes parents need to earn respect, as do children, but the child should not dictate the terms of any visit in my opinion. A two way discussion is best, but I don't see anything wrong in Mark making plans or having a say in how Dylan's time there was spent.

I think people need to be careful about getting carried away with making up scenarios as to what happened and stating them as fact/truth or whatever. Just jumping off this post, but I've noticed that the "Mark killed Dylan after they argued about him not seeing his friends" line is often taken almost as fact, when none of know if this argument ever happened.

 

[Seajay]

I think people need to be careful about getting carried away with making up scenarios as to what happened and stating them as fact/truth or whatever. Just jumping off this post, but I've noticed that the "Mark killed Dylan after they argued about him not seeing his friends" line is often taken almost as fact, when none of know if this argument ever happened.

S&BBM: I noticed that. Lately, this has been stated over and over again as if it's fact. There is no proof or MSM that Mark killed Dylan, that Mark argued with Dylan or the Mark refused to let him see his friends at all. Dylan's friends said that Mark & Dylan are buddies, that they love each other. That statement was on MSM, that is fact.

What else is fact is that Mark Redwine has not been named a suspect or a POI.

 

[TxLady2]

<modsnip> I have never said a single negative thing about this child (and never will). <modsnip> the point was that Dylan had every right to be angry @ his father on the night in question, if, in fact, that is what prompted an altercation between the two.

But from the accounts of his family, esp. his mother and brother, Dylan is an easy-going, laid back type and not prone to having temper tantrums. Many who know him said he is a good kid. So why would he suddenly have a fit of anger towards his dad that was bad enough to cause Mark to lose control enough to kill him?
Yes, I know even good kids can get angry, but not that angry. I can't wrap my brain around something like that.

 

[TxLady2]

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Slightly off topic - why is BENDER coming up with possibilities? I think that job belongs to investigators?

Bender is not just a spokesperson, he is also an officer with some rank ( Sgt. or Lt., not sure which) It is not uncommon for an officer to be designated as the spokesperson, sometimes the commanding officer takes on that job. Not very many SD's can afford to hire someone to do nothing but speak to media, they all have other job capacities. I would bet that Bender knows as much about the investigation as the other detectives do.

 

[katydid23]

But from the accounts of his family, esp. his mother and brother, Dylan is an easy-going, laid back type and not prone to having temper tantrums. Many who know him said he is a good kid. So why would he suddenly have a fit of anger towards his dad that was bad enough to cause Mark to lose control enough to kill him?
Yes, I know even good kids can get angry, but not that angry. I can't wrap my brain around something like that.

At one point ER worried that Dylan might have said something that would anger his dad.

&#8220;I don&#8217;t think Mark treats him very well&#8230; I would not put it past Mark to have done something to remove Dylan from the situation. You know, like &#8216;if I can&#8217;t have him, nobody will,&#8217;&#8221; Elaine Redwine told ABC News.

She said she fears Mark may not have reacted well if Dylan, 13, said something his father did not agree with.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dylan-redwine-s-mom-worries-his-dad-may-have-done-something-to-son

Also, we heard how obsessed Mark was with believing he was closer to his son than ER was. Almost delusionally so. And he seemed to be bitter about her being engaged to MH. I think he was jealous about her new home and new life. So it makes sense that Mark might have talked trash about Dylan's mom and new StepDad. If so, how would Dylan react? I think he would stand up to his father and defend his mom, imo.