Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #14

[MsBetsy]

I don't think that is true, I mean about that being "proven". The only thing we know about is that he cut his foot in the garage.

PS I don't like SM either

We don't know if he cut his foot in the garage at all. That's just the story TS told.

But going by everything she has said so far, her focus has 'unexpectedly' been on herself rather than Gannon.
Her blatant lack of concern and empathy towards her stepson is so disturbing that everyone is pointing the finger at her.

So, if she behaves this way when he is missing and she knows he could be suffering or even dead, we can't help but imagine how she treated him when he was living in that house with her.

Imo

 

[Blue Ridge]

I find the rules here far too convoluted and conditional to understand.

Discussing family is ok on the Gannon Stauch forum...... But not OK on other pages. How? Why? Because a neighbor produced a video, with no verified date stamp??

Come on....seriously.

You may find it helpful to scroll back to page one of the thread where Tricia addresses your concern.

MOO

 

[Momof4RN]

Tricia has a very good explanation why the SM can be discussed in this case on page 1. Has nothing to do with the neighbor. As far as family members the only thing I have seen discussed is what has been stated in MSM or in their public appearance. If who have seen otherwise please report those posts.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

From Oviedo. This was getting carried thread to thread and then suddenly wasn’t.

GS- missing child
AS - Dad
LH-mom
LS a/k/a TS - stepmom
RD- neighbor with video showing LS and GS leaving house in red truck

 

[GeorgiaRai]

World's most unpopular opinion: I think it's possible TS's story is semi-true. The day could've gone pretty much as described, but with Gannon's "running away" being brought about by TS losing her temper with him after returning from their errands (or possibly as the result on an on-going conflict throughout the day/weekend). In anger, she tells him to leave or to run away or to get out of her sight until she's ready to see him again, and he obliges, with tragic consequences. MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm not sure who A1 is, but in a situation like the video, a MSM reporter could get things slightly wrong and create an impression about what LE said that isn't quite what was actually said. This has been explained several times by several posters re: the neighbor's video. The reporter wouldn't have to be "lying" just a bit sloppy or a bit too anxious to have a "scoop."

A neighbor could do the same. I'm not saying RD did, and I'm certainly not saying he's lying. But in an entirely hypothetical situation a neighbor might say things that reflect his/her bias or beliefs about a situation based on prior history. Plus, we only have the reporter's word in this case as to what RD actually said and about what RD said LE and AS said.

JMO

we do not just have the reporters word and this has been posted 100 times and is available to read on many threads.
Video: Surveillance video shows stepmom with Colorado boy before he went missing

If that is not enough, try this
Family of missing boy in Colorado makes emotional plea for help - ABC17NEWS

 

[NuttMegg]

Remember there is sound on the video too, that only RD AS,and LE has heard. Which picks up things like car doors opening,and closing. I'm sure if Gannnon did in fact get out of the truck in the other side, the sound truck door openening,and closing would have been picked up. I highly doubt AS would have had the reaction he did if Gannon did in fact get out on the other side of the truck. So many focusing on only what was seen,and not heard.
MOO

True, but we don't know that yet, if his camera picked the sound of a car door, maybe softly shut, way over on the other side of the car. Maybe being shut at the same moment that the driver's side door was opened, or maybe the truck was still running. This is just my opinion, but I don't think RD looked beyond not noticing Gannon getting out on the same side he got in. I wish the video wasn't cut off just after stepmom got out of the car.

I looked at that video over and over just like many of us here. But I didn't even notice where the shadow would be if someone exited on the other side until I saw the Gray Hughes video, that little white strip. And I really studied that video before that.

I think RD got caught up in thinking that Gannon would get out of the same door he got in. Frustrating to think that the other neighbor cams could maybe confirm what happened.

 

[kittythehare]

Think about it....the only one who has told that story is RD, IIRC. Yes, the guy who voluntarily got out on the media for his 15 minutes of fame "revealing" key/hush hush aspects of a missing persons' case that LE had not released. I think he could easily have influenced the then-understandably-very-emotional-and-tender father to believe anything. I just don't think RD thought of the boy getting out on the other side of the truck, and most likely did not do the analysis that Gray Hughes did. (posted here earlier).

Family of missing boy in Colorado makes emotional plea for help - ABC17NEWS

Surveillance video shows stepmom with Colorado boy before he went missing

Surveillance video shows stepmom with Colorado boy before he went missing

need more?

 

[GordianKnot]

I find the rules here far too convoluted and conditional to understand.

Discussing family is ok on the Gannon Stauch forum...... But not OK on other pages. How? Why? Because a neighbor produced a video, with no verified date stamp??

Come on....seriously.

My suggestion would be that you read Tricia's post on Page 1 of this thread for clarification.

She provides a thoughtful, detailed explanation along w/ the parameters for posting on this thread.

It's not terribly complicated.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Sure, I just mean that in retrospect when we see kids that were proven to be abused, there is (IMO) a kind of veil over the happiness and I don't see that with Gannon. Coder referred to that to when interviewing CW.

Yet children can appear happy in pictures and still be suffering from physical or mental abuse.

It's not from Gannon himself, but from the stepmother's own words that indicate her lack of concern for him. If she can be so emotionless about her missing stepson when she doesn't know if he is suffering then how did she treat him when he was around?

Jmo

 

[MadTing]

Yet children can appear happy in pictures and still be suffering from physical or mental abuse.

I have personal experience of this from when i was a child.

 

[Tutter]

Think about it....the only one who has told that story is RD, IIRC. Yes, the guy who voluntarily got out on the media for his 15 minutes of fame "revealing" key/hush hush aspects of a missing persons' case that LE had not released. I think he could easily have influenced the then-understandably-very-emotional-and-tender father to believe anything. I just don't think RD thought of the boy getting out on the other side of the truck, and most likely did not do the analysis that Gray Hughes did. (posted here earlier).

I know it has been said a thousand times, but they saw a CLEAR version with SOUND. MOO. I don’t think RD could have known the quality of the video they put on tv...ie that it is poor quality.

I do wish LE would give presser and even confirm one thing. I hope progress is being made.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

True, but we don't know that yet, if his camera picked the sound of a car door, maybe softly shut, way over on the other side of the car. Maybe being shut at the same moment that the driver's side door was opened, or maybe the truck was still running. This is just my opinion, but I don't think RD looked beyond not noticing Gannon getting out on the same side he got in. I wish the video wasn't cut off just after stepmom got out of the car.

I looked at that video over and over just like many of us here. But I didn't even notice where the shadow would be if someone exited on the other side until I saw the Gray Hughes video, that little white strip. And I really studied that video before that.

I think RD got caught up in thinking that Gannon would get out of the same door he got in. Frustrating to think that the other neighbor cams could maybe confirm what happened.

I doubt we would be here at this juncture of the investigation if he did get out on the other side of the truck. Especially if it was picked up on other video. I also doubt AS would have had the reaction he had. I also doubt LS would have so many different versions of one story if Gannon did get out on the other side of the truck. I guess it depends on which version you choose to buy.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

True, but we don't know that yet, if his camera picked the sound of a car door, maybe softly shut, way over on the other side of the car. Maybe being shut at the same moment that the driver's side door was opened, or maybe the truck was still running. This is just my opinion, but I don't think RD looked beyond not noticing Gannon getting out on the same side he got in. I wish the video wasn't cut off just after stepmom got out of the car.

I looked at that video over and over just like many of us here. But I didn't even notice where the shadow would be if someone exited on the other side until I saw the Gray Hughes video, that little white strip. And I really studied that video before that.

I think RD got caught up in thinking that Gannon would get out of the same door he got in. Frustrating to think that the other neighbor cams could maybe confirm what happened.

I doubt we would be here at this juncture of the investigation if he did get out on the other side of the truck. Especially if it was picked up on other video. I also doubt AS would have had the reaction he had. I also doubt LS would have so many different versions of one story if Gannon did get out on the other side of the truck. I guess it depends on which version you choose to buy.
MOO

 

[Blue Ridge]

True, but we don't know that yet, if his camera picked the sound of a car door, maybe softly shut, way over on the other side of the car. Maybe being shut at the same moment that the driver's side door was opened, or maybe the truck was still running. This is just my opinion, but I don't think RD looked beyond not noticing Gannon getting out on the same side he got in. I wish the video wasn't cut off just after stepmom got out of the car.

I looked at that video over and over just like many of us here. But I didn't even notice where the shadow would be if someone exited on the other side until I saw the Gray Hughes video, that little white strip. And I really studied that video before that.

I think RD got caught up in thinking that Gannon would get out of the same door he got in. Frustrating to think that the other neighbor cams could maybe confirm what happened.

I'm confident LE (who has the clear original vid, not a shadowy pixely copy) has gone over it quite a number of times, slow-mo, enhanced, etc.....and yet they don't dispute RD's words. So yep.... I'm gonna go with that.

 

[NCWatcher]

we do not just have the reporters word and this has been posted 100 times and is available to read on many threads.
Video: Surveillance video shows stepmom with Colorado boy before he went missing

If that is not enough, try this
Family of missing boy in Colorado makes emotional plea for help - ABC17NEWS

I'm not talking about the actual video. I'm talking about what was supposedly said about the video by various people.

In the 2nd link you provided, LE refused to comment on the video. At all. The neighbor was supposedly "quoted" but we don't know if the quote was accurate. And we don't know if LE actually told RD the video was "the break we needed." So my position remains unchanged.

So far as there being sound on the video, how good would that sound be from two houses away? Several threads back a poster shared video from his/her own security system to show the clarity of the visual aspects. But do we know how clear the audio would be from two houses away? I ask because a number of people commenting seem to be depending on the audio being quite clear to RD and AS even though we've not heard it.
JMO

 

[Trackergd]

World's most unpopular opinion: I think it's possible TS's story is semi-true. The day could've gone pretty much as described, but with Gannon's "running away" being brought about by TS losing her temper with him after returning from their errands (or possibly as the result on an on-going conflict throughout the day/weekend). In anger, she tells him to leave or to run away or to get out of her sight until she's ready to see him again, and he obliges, with tragic consequences. MOO.

It one of a short list of possible scenario's.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Anyone here remember a previous high profile case within the last 10? years where the suspected prime POI made this statement??? I've heard it before just can't place it

This might not be who you’re talking about. Ayla Reynolds
immediately came to my mind:

“We don't know what happened other than we know Ayla didn't walk out on her own, and we have grave doubts she was abducted because there were three adults in the home that night (and) it's a very small house."
No one has been arrested in the case, and police have not identified Justin DiPietro or anyone else as a suspect.
"We're not ruling anyone in or anyone out," McCausland said.
Police confirm that Justin DiPietro took a polygraph test, but won't reveal the results. Lie detector evidence is not admissible in court. He told Waterville's Morning Sentinel newspaper that police wouldn't show him the actual polygraph paperwork to show him how he did.
"I know I went in there and smoked it," Justin DiPietro said. "I told the truth, and that's it."
Blood found, suspicion cast in missing Maine toddler case - CNN

 

[kmbond1214]

True, but we don't know that yet, if his camera picked the sound of a car door, maybe softly shut, way over on the other side of the car. Maybe being shut at the same moment that the driver's side door was opened, or maybe the truck was still running. This is just my opinion, but I don't think RD looked beyond not noticing Gannon getting out on the same side he got in. I wish the video wasn't cut off just after stepmom got out of the car.

I looked at that video over and over just like many of us here. But I didn't even notice where the shadow would be if someone exited on the other side until I saw the Gray Hughes video, that little white strip. And I really studied that video before that.

I think RD got caught up in thinking that Gannon would get out of the same door he got in. Frustrating to think that the other neighbor cams could maybe confirm what happened.

One thing I did notice in the video is how close SM pulls in to the other car in the drive way when she and GS both get into the car. Possibly why GS has to get in on the driver side? When SM returns, she has to back into the spot several times before she finally parks and she appears to be further away from the other vehicle in the drive way. I agree, I don't see any shadows, but why take such care to park further away from the other vehicle if no one else was exiting the truck?

 

[SuziQ]

I am not understanding the GOG discussion. Nothing happened on that trip. He is seen on video alive the next morning.