Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #16

[Momof4RN]

Most of the thread conversations appear to revolve around SM. Just a personal observation here to consider in addition to Tricia's very wise comments about facing the person you are talking about and having to defend those comments. In the Jacob Wetterling case, DR was a named PO by LE. Almost everyone thought odd and private DR was the actor. Threads went on for years here at WS on that case. As it turned out, almost everyone including LE were 100% wrong. I have learned the hard way not to fall into "herd mentality". Just some advice from an old veteran poster. I personally tend to dig at known facts, but that's just the way I'm wired. SM may very well be guilty, but innocent until proven so. MOO

Thanks for the reminder! Just looked back at all my content and looks like I only messed up once so to clarify she/he could have put G in a trash bag. Much safer for me to still believe G is alive so I will continue to do so till I hear otherwise. Moo

 

[Ontario Mom]

I was going to watch the clip this morning but now i’m Scared to. Not sure I need to. Was heartbroken yesterday. Still heartbroken today. Gannon Doesn’t need my heart shattered. At least not yet.
Here for Gannon
Praying for Gannon and LH
Hope for Gannon

I almost never watch these kinds of heart wrenching interviews from the parents, until the case is over.
It's easier to focus on facts without letting emotions run high, this way.
It works for me.

 

[Lupara Bianca]

Most of the thread conversations appear to revolve around SM. Just a personal observation here to consider in addition to Tricia's very wise comments about facing the person you are talking about and having to defend those comments. In the Jacob Wetterling case, DR was a named PO by LE. Almost everyone thought odd and private DR was the actor. Threads went on for years here at WS on that case. As it turned out, almost everyone including LE were 100% wrong. I have learned the hard way not to fall into "herd mentality". Just some advice from an old veteran poster. I personally tend to dig at known facts, but that's just the way I'm wired. SM may very well be guilty, but innocent until proven so. MOO

Well put. I hope that she IS completely innocent so that people will hesitate condemning someone before they know the full truth. I get the whole "speculation" thing, but what if she actually never had anything to do with this? People just don't "like" her, that's the main thing. Having said that, unfortunately for her, she fits the bill. I hope this case shakes out some real, irrefutable evidence, otherwise there could be a miscarriage of justice - it has happened in the past.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Most of the thread conversations appear to revolve around SM. Just a personal observation here to consider in addition to Tricia's very wise comments about facing the person you are talking about and having to defend those comments. In the Jacob Wetterling case, DR was a named PO by LE. Almost everyone thought odd and private DR was the actor. Threads went on for years here at WS on that case. As it turned out, almost everyone including LE were 100% wrong. I have learned the hard way not to fall into "herd mentality". Just some advice from an old veteran poster. I personally tend to dig at known facts, but that's just the way I'm wired. SM may very well be guilty, but innocent until proven so. MOO

I didn't follow Jacob's case here but regardless, I've seen similar over the years and Tricia's and your advice are indeed quite sound. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Most of the thread conversations appear to revolve around SM. Just a personal observation here to consider in addition to Tricia's very wise comments about facing the person you are talking about and having to defend those comments. In the Jacob Wetterling case, DR was a named PO by LE. Almost everyone thought odd and private DR was the actor. Threads went on for years here at WS on that case. As it turned out, almost everyone including LE were 100% wrong. I have learned the hard way not to fall into "herd mentality". Just some advice from an old veteran poster. I personally tend to dig at known facts, but that's just the way I'm wired. SM may very well be guilty, but innocent until proven so. MOO

Thank you. I’ve been fighting the exact flow you speak about since the get go. It’s been hard. Very hard. I said I was unafraid to stand alone. I didn’t say I wouldn’t fall down. After this long of discord, I’m beginning to wear down. The one phrase of hers “He is not dead.” is one I cannot get past. It is the one basic belief of mine that she believed herself when she said it that I won’t disown.

 

[Trackergd]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

 

[RMT953]

Each jurisdiction/state will handle this differently, but there are a few ideas that are common. - homeless sex offenders are fairly common because of housing restrictions placed on them. Many cities will have them check in on a periodic basis with their supervision, so the supervision has a general idea of where they stay. Unfortunately homelessness increases recidivism rates. It’s a convoluted situation.

Convoluted is an excellent way to put it. I guess I've never really thought about it tbh. I'm not from the area. When I have looked at Google Earth it looks like a nice area. I was pretty shocked to see the crime and registered offender statistics rather close to the residence. Then pair that with all of the military, USAF, Space, Defense, etc I'm kind of surprised. You'd think that the area would have tons of cameras and surveillance, however, they look to kind of be on the outskirts.

Until LE names someone or makes an arrest I just can't put all of my eggs in one basket. Way too much doubt and other factors for me. Behaviors and statements are bizarre at times for sure. Truthfully it could go one of multiple ways for me and I wouldn't be shocked.

The amount of missing kids in the area and attempted abductions is bothering me. Even some recently. Is there that high of a runaway rate there?

The rabbit hole is deep at the moment.

Where are you Gannon?

 

[Kyte]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

JMO- For me personally, this is the problem with trying to hold back on my feelings that TS is indeed the one responsible for dissapearing Gannon! IF Gannon was abducted, I am almost certain he would have been picked up on camera walking away from his house or somewhere and I'm positive LE would want to show that to the public if they had such evidence as it could only but help the investigation surely!?

 

[Momof4RN]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

I think any of the above are possible tho unlikely. I think most 11 year olds would have gotten scared, hungry, cold enough to come home tho. I think LE would have enough to go on if they believe an abduction occurred and this case would now be upgraded to kidnapping. Accident from snow plow? Maybe but then why would they be looking so far from home? Surely he wouldn’t have walked that far and no one noticed? If anything I could see him heading south home to Mommy. Moo

 

[Beth11311]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

I am all for playing devil’s advocate, but the problem when I run alternative scenarios is that they just don’t work, for me, for various reasons.

And they don’t explain LE choosing to search where they have been.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

Hypothetically speaking. Purely speculation. Not a theory.
...
I typed up a whole list of scenarios. Then deleted them all. I think she is involved. I’m not ready to convict her for murder. Apparently neither is LE as no charges of any kind have been brought. Which makes little sense to me. Good thing it doesn’t have to. It must be a tactical strategic game being played. I predict LE as the winner.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I would say it was theoretically possible he ran away if the story didn't change from "He said he was going to a friend" (paraphrasing) to "LE knows a description of who took him and why" (paraphrasing) but since the story keeps changing, and it wouldn't need to change, I can't see that it's possible. Sorry.

 

[JTR1973]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

I will be the first to say “whoa did I have it so wrong.” if it doesn’t somehow center on her. But up to now I have zero information that would make me think he ran away or was abducted. Ze-ro. But there are statistics about who is responsible most of the time when someone is killed or disappeared.
DAs don’t go into missing children’s homes thinking they ran away or were abducted. IMHO

 

[susiQ]

I’m in agreement, especially after Shane Carey’s odd behavior in his interviews. I never publicly accused him myself but my heart broke for him after learning he had nothing to do with Heidi’s disappearance.

SM could very well be innocent and she’s presumed so until found guilty.

I can only speak for myself in saying this... my attention on her is 100% fueled by what she’s added to his disappearance. Her behaviors and her actions. I can’t say she’s involved or not, but her actions have made me interested in looking further into her background, etc. In this case, I don’t know if anyone else that deserves that attention.

I certainly admire you and others for being able to maintain this position. I however, am having a hard time seeing her as innocent in all of this

After she told a HUGE lie to LE about Gannon having gone to a "friends", that she could not even name (?), we discover that Gannon in fact left his home with her and did not return. I acknowledge that some will dispute that, but I do not. If LE could corroborate that Gannon did in fact return with TS in the afternoon, would not this investigation be taking a different direction? Would they not let the public know there is a possibility that he was abducted? I believe they haven't done that because they KNOW he didn't come home and TS is lying about SOMETHING if not MANY things and that makes her SUSPECT. Note I did not say "A" suspect, merely suspect (to me it's all the same really).

I don't have any problem believing she is involved in Gannon's disappearance, I just don't know to what extent. She is guilty of something. If I were in her position and I KNEW I was totally innocent, I would be dishing every single detail of the days leading up to and including the day Gannon disappeared. Why? because they need that information to locate him, which is exactly what she does not appear to want. Instead, she's flooding SM with questionable narratives that contradict the very things she has already said. Lies have short legs and she's losing the race. She's made herself a pariah with her lies and has ruined her life by what she has done and not done. She needs to come clean, tell the truth, and let LE find Gannon and return him to his family and let them grieve. Even if she didn't end his life, she KNOWS what happened to him. JMHO

 

[Momof4RN]

To be honest I have had the thought that someone in their neighborhood could be responsible and with all the talk of pulling video footage that person was able to erase any footage putting G at their home. After all, we really don’t know our neighbors that well and there is an entire show designated to “Fear Thy Neighbor”.
But LE at least publicly doesn’t appear to be investigating any neighbors. Moo

 

[MichelleBlue]

IMO as his weight has not been disputed by anyone, I would assume it is accurate and was probably verified by medical records, along with his height.

Some of you are saying he looks more like 4'9" and 70lbs. That is just the 12th percentile for BMI so pretty thin. 5th percentile is considered underweight. 90lbs at his height would be more average.

BMI Calculator for Child and Teen

 

[susiQ]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

I believe if SM/TS was not involved, Gannon would be with his loving family, safe. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Let me ask this question. If SM was not involved, what do you think happened? Pedophile abduction while he was walking down the road? Plowed into a snow bank by accident in the dark? Wandered off to hide and passed from exposure? Still out there hiding and not knowing he is being searched for?

Well, SM had to have been involved because she was his guardian when he disappeared. She had a duty of care to this little child.
Just that.
I spent forst 8 days imagining he had a lovely warm den in the woods complete with supplies, warmth and excellent survival skills. Or an old house, also warm and full of supplies. A lovely Tree-house. A cave.. A hostel, a refuge.
I had zero evidence but no feel at all that he had left his physical body.
I'd seen footage of the Crime lab people entering that first week but took it as routine, a search for any plans he had made and left lying around somewhere that would point to his exact location.
LE had stated he had not appeared on any cctv. i rationalized this by thinking/believing he had a tunnel out , that all kids know how to escape, somehow, without being seen.
My delusions were suddenly shattered after the second presser with his parents when the crime scene people re-entered that 'home' with the DA.
It was a harsh awakening and I cried hard.

I blamed the police for not seeing or looking properly at the cctv when the new footage was leaked.
But the child's location had been 'accounted for' up until 3.15pm. They had no reason to look at earlier cctv.
I'm not sure if lE were convinced by her original report or just pretending to be and it's unlikely to be known until after or during a trial, if one is to occur.
We're in the fourth week, we are not aware of any ransom demand from a possible kidnapper.
I don't know whether it's fate or misadventure or destiny but I have a sense that little boy never stood a chance due to the dysfunctional life situation he found himself in, no matter his geographical location or responsible adults present or absent.
I also considered suicide.
It is the saddest thing.
There will be no catharsis and the outcome is destined to be bleak,IMHO.

 

[susiQ]

To be honest I have had the thought that someone in their neighborhood could be responsible and with all the talk of pulling video footage that person was able to erase any footage putting G at their home. After all, we really don’t know our neighbors that well and there is an entire show designated to “Fear Thy Neighbor”.
But LE at least publicly doesn’t appear to be investigating any neighbors. Moo

BBM
I believe this is because LE know without a doubt that Gannon never returned with her. She was indeed the last person he was seen with. If this were not the case, this investigation would not be going in the direction it is. This investigation and search only makes sense if TS is involved. JMO

 

[Kiranerys]

In regard to sex offenders in the area,I remember in an early presser that the question was asked if they had interviewed all known SO in the area and the answer was that they were not going down that route at present,which struck me as odd because they always go down that route as a matter of course,unless they are absolutely certain that it can't be the case.IMO