Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #18

[cody22]

She used the truck- not necessarily used the 4wd. The black box on the truck should have the info stored if she did. You have to "engage" the 4wd capability.

@carbuff @cody22 @ColoFarmer ... How difficult is getting into 4WD on this Nissan? Anyone? No one drives this particular truck around me. I guess I will go look for a video that explains it. I know how to get mine into 4wd, and my husband's. We have an old mud truck that I cannot get the transfer case engaged on: have to do something under the truck, yada yada
- they are all different, and knowledge of how is typically involved

And- many drive SUVs with All wheel drive

Sorry, but I do not know the answer to your question about this vehicle.......moo

 

[Stunned]

Good morning all, I’m a thread behind. Health issues are life’s annoyances that won’t be ignored. Anyways, when I last left off, I was focused on this image:
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EPCSheriff (@EPCSheriff) | Twitter

I found it clever of the EPCSO to use this visual. I’ve thought of several statements by LE speaking of puzzles and pieces. Some of the comments I quickly found are:

"This is just one piece in a very, very, very large puzzle," El Paso County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jackie Kirby told the TV station.

"You might see the crime lab off and on at the Stauch home and that is all a part of the investigation," she said. "They're collecting different pieces, and it is a big large puzzle, and we're trying to put all of those pieces together. Our number one goal at the Sheriff's Office is to bring Gannon home safely."

"The crime lab is used to, again, get pieces. That’s a part of the investigation," said Sgt. Deborah Mynatt with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office. "That’s what they’re used for. So they’re out there and ensure they’re doing this with the proper measures. They’re using gloves and doing different things because they might come across something that might be part of the investigation. We get pieces of information that might not be criminal, that might just lead to where [Gannon] might be. Those kinds of things. So when we get pieces of evidence, it has to be maintained and protected and, again, that's why we might use crime lab. They're really good with that they're experts in the field, and that's why we do that, so it might not be criminal.”

The sheriff's also confirmed that the rumored inconsistencies in Stauch's account are another piece in the large puzzle.


***I usually put the edges of the puzzle together first. With one straight edge, the pieces are easier to identify and put together. After creating a framework. I’ve found sorting is the key to solving puzzles. The larger the puzzle, the more time I devote to sorting the pieces into zones.

Puzzle pieces don't always connect. Success says the team who avoids taking a hammer to make the pieces fit together.

When a group of people collectively solve a puzzle, who gets the credit? The person who puts the final piece in the puzzle? The person who sorted out the edge pieces at the beginning? The person who realized what the picture was of? The person who found the puzzle pieces and suggested trying to put them together? The person who managed the project and kept everyone on track? The whole group? I think we will see how this puzzle was solved. I’d love to see a flow chart. Perhaps the cooperation and leadership may serve as examples in future investigations. I see the only way this puzzle picture to be complete - Gannon must be the final piece.


Thoughts? Ideas? What are the edge pieces?

And you come back with a bang!

 

[Kellsestxx]

Grand Jurys & Indictments in Colorado Criminal Cases

Same as most states the Grand Jury used infrequently.
Grand Juries are generally seen as prosecutor friendly, basically a rubber stamp. So for the rights of the arrested, most states including Colorado use the "information" method.
A judge has to be convinced that there is enough cause to issue an arrest warrant.
A judge is thought harder audience to sway than a grand jury.
MOO a defendant can still demand the warrant be issued through a grand jury.

I was on a grand jury before bc I was called for jury duty. I live in Ohio. It was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever seen. I was so upset with how it works that I kept trying to point out how unfair it was and how there's nothing to show what happened. It made me not want be a part of it. After returning late from the breaks and late to get there the next morning , they made me an alternate. I didn't have to do anything , and had to leave the room while the others decided. I haven't been called back since and I hope I never do.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Authorities suspend search for missing Colorado boy | News Break

Hi, I can't follow this link through to the whole story as I'm geolocked from it, so I have no idea if this is worth posting but it is new today and have not seen it posted here

The decision to suspend the search for Gannon Stauch on Friday doesn’t mean the investigation is over. The sheriff’s office has led a search west of Larkspur that started Feb. 12 and continued most days since.

Authorities suspend search for missing Colorado boy

 

[NCWatcher]

There may have been a hotline to an FBI number to call for locals who may have seen anything. FBI is who I would call if I saw him on video.

Unless I'd been given a card saying to call the FBI at #phone number if I had information, I wouldn't even know how to reach the correct office at the FBI! Personally, I'd call 911 or local LE handling the case although there's nothing wrong about calling the FBI I'm sure. Just maybe an unusual choice.

 

[10ofRods]

To me, "complicated" from LE doesn't mean we know who did it and confirming the details is complicated. Time consuming, yes, complicted, no. For me, "complicated" implies that things are not necessarily what they seem to be on the surface. jmo

Well, that's certainly been true from the moment they received the 911 call and then saw the text on Gannon's phone. LE was misled. By now, they've had to put together as many as 20 strands of evidence and information and deal with hundreds of tips. The SM utterances alone (by various parties connected to the case) are complicated - I've never seen anything like this.

 

[Kiranerys]

Woke up to yet another rainy dreary day in Georgia. Doesn't help my mood. :-(

Dealing with a friend's unexpected passing on Friday.
Another friend whose marriage is dissolving.
This sweet boy who haunts every thought of every day.

I am beat. Praying for news today. Despite what it may be. Every day he is missing, I have a tiny shred of hope that he is alive. But anguish that he may be afraid or in pain.

But every day he is missing is one more day of the unknown, of fear and questions.

Oh sweet boy. Where are you? What has happened to you?

Sorry for your loss JT,hang in there x

 

[JTR1973]

I hope you are wrong as I don’t want to contemplate an 11 year old going through that without his mommy and it hurts just to read it! Maybe we can go without details till he is found.

I feel this way as well. I accept people want to discuss all theories, and have a platform here to do so, but gosh does it make my heart hurt SO bad when I start getting ideas or thoughts about what he may have endured.

 

[lonetraveler]

I’m new and am confused as well. Please don’t lurk! Everyone here has value.

LOL, well I'm old and I still get confused. Feel free to post.

 

[Kellsestxx]

Apologies to anyone I have offended with my last post. I don't find any humor in GS's disappearance at all, nor did I mean any disrespect to his family. I simply found the comment that I quoted humorous which I admit was inappropriate, but I know the poster didn't mean any disrespect by it either. To the person questioning my reason for posting here, its for the same reason we all are posting here, because I care about this case. I've lost plenty of sleep over it. Hoping for the best, while preparing for the worst. I have four kids myself and I would never even let them play in our front yard without supervision for fear that some evil monster would come and snatch them up. They never let me forget it either! I can't even imagine what GS parents, extended family and friends are going through right now. At any rate, I've been a member for while now - so no, this is not a newly created account meant to defend or crucify anyone. I am simply waiting patiently for LE to conclude their investigation and bring the perpetrator(s) to justice.

I didn't find it offensive at all. I figured you didn't literally sit there and laugh at anything a out an 11 yr old missing. My dad just passed away on Wednesday and I was reading about GS on here before he went to the i.c.u. on Monday so I was trying to get my mind off my dad and when I saw your post I didn't get upset at all. I been emotional as heck and crying at nothing so I just want you to know that not everyone took so poorly. Kudos to you for saying sorry to those who got upset about it though. Not everyone will like everything that is posted , that is just life.

 

[COSCitizen]

The decision to suspend the search for Gannon Stauch on Friday doesn’t mean the investigation is over. The sheriff’s office has led a search west of Larkspur that started Feb. 12 and continued most days since.

Authorities suspend search for missing Colorado boy

Except for the timing of the trip from Larson Ranch, that area would make a lot more sense to me as a disposal site. The main road has frequent traffic, but I can think of places where one would could pull off on a side road and be unlikely to be observed. And I doubt there are as many people casually walking their dogs, trail riding, mountain biking, etc.

Edited: I should have said Lorson Ranch. Via the Interstate, Google Maps says it is 52 minutes from Lorson Ranch to Larkspur.

 

[Wishbone]

Well, that's certainly been true from the moment they received the 911 call and then saw the text on Gannon's phone. LE was misled. By now, they've had to put together as many as 20 strands of evidence and information and deal with hundreds of tips. The SM utterances alone (by various parties connected to the case) are complicated - I've never seen anything like this.

The queen of lies...casey anthony...when caught in lies during the search for her missing child, she would ultimately admit she lied. And brush off her lies like it was no big deal. It was mind boggling to observe it. Yet, she walks the streets to this day, the remains of her baby having been found a mere few streets from home.

 

[JTR1973]

The queen of lies...casey anthony...when caught in lies during the search for her missing child, she would ultimately admit she lied. And brush off her lies like it was no big deal. It was mind boggling to observe it. Yet, she walks the streets to this day, the remains of her baby having been found a mere few streets from home.

OT but this STILL makes me feel all ragey. Like I don't know if I could control myself if I ever ran into CA. One of the grossest displays of injustice I have ever seen. Still makes me so sick.

 

[ColoFarmer]

I'm from Horry county and just wanted to expand on the being able to charge someone with murder or kidnapping or anything anything those lines, without a body, would be purely a circumstantial case and very difficult to prove.
I agree that it would be difficult but let me remind everyone of Heather Elvis. They have never found her body ( but we all know they killed her) yet the DA was able to prove kidnapping with A LOT less evidence than there is in GS's case. I mean A LOT. If anyone was able to look at her case they would see there was no (smoking gun) video of the victim leaving but not returning, no cell video before the disappearance that the POI released, etc... Yet the prosecution was able to, at least, get them put away for 10 years. That's nothing ,I know, but it gives them 10 more years to keep looking for enough to charge them with murder.
To sum up my ramblings .... If they can't find enough to charge "someone" with murder then there's easily video proof alone to prove kidnapping IMOO.

Except isn’t kidnapping defined as being done by someone who has no legal right or custody over the child? Not sure.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I feel this way as well. I accept people want to discuss all theories, and have a platform here to do so, but gosh does it make my heart hurt SO bad when I start getting ideas or thoughts about what he may have endured.

Yeah it just hurts my heart and I’m a visual thinker anyway. I just don’t want to go there. No offense intended toward anyone. But if we get into gory details, I’m gone.

 

[Spartygirl]

Good Morning !!
Here for Gannon today and always !!
Praying this little guy is found soon !!
Where are you Gannon ???

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Good morning all, I’m a thread behind. Health issues are life’s annoyances that won’t be ignored. Anyways, when I last left off, I was focused on this image:
View attachment 234271
EPCSheriff (@EPCSheriff) | Twitter

I found it clever of the EPCSO to use this visual. I’ve thought of several statements by LE speaking of puzzles and pieces. Some of the comments I quickly found are:

"This is just one piece in a very, very, very large puzzle," El Paso County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jackie Kirby told the TV station.

"You might see the crime lab off and on at the Stauch home and that is all a part of the investigation," she said. "They're collecting different pieces, and it is a big large puzzle, and we're trying to put all of those pieces together. Our number one goal at the Sheriff's Office is to bring Gannon home safely."

"The crime lab is used to, again, get pieces. That’s a part of the investigation," said Sgt. Deborah Mynatt with the El Paso County Sheriff's Office. "That’s what they’re used for. So they’re out there and ensure they’re doing this with the proper measures. They’re using gloves and doing different things because they might come across something that might be part of the investigation. We get pieces of information that might not be criminal, that might just lead to where [Gannon] might be. Those kinds of things. So when we get pieces of evidence, it has to be maintained and protected and, again, that's why we might use crime lab. They're really good with that they're experts in the field, and that's why we do that, so it might not be criminal.”

The sheriff's also confirmed that the rumored inconsistencies in Stauch's account are another piece in the large puzzle.


***I usually put the edges of the puzzle together first. With one straight edge, the pieces are easier to identify and put together. After creating a framework. I’ve found sorting is the key to solving puzzles. The larger the puzzle, the more time I devote to sorting the pieces into zones.

Puzzle pieces don't always connect. Success says the team who avoids taking a hammer to make the pieces fit together.

When a group of people collectively solve a puzzle, who gets the credit? The person who puts the final piece in the puzzle? The person who sorted out the edge pieces at the beginning? The person who realized what the picture was of? The person who found the puzzle pieces and suggested trying to put them together? The person who managed the project and kept everyone on track? The whole group? I think we will see how this puzzle was solved. I’d love to see a flow chart. Perhaps the cooperation and leadership may serve as examples in future investigations. I see the only way this puzzle picture to be complete - Gannon must be the final piece.


Thoughts? Ideas? What are the edge pieces?

I think the final piece is an accomplice, or witness that knows way more than anyone else,yet at this point in time is untouchable,however that won't last forever. The blue of the final piece signifies that this is all about Gannon, an 11 year old child. Time cannot be held back,and whoever is holding back the truth will eventually be faced with answering to it.
MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Unless I'd been given a card saying to call the FBI at #phone number if I had information, I wouldn't even know how to reach the correct office at the FBI! Personally, I'd call 911 or local LE handling the case although there's nothing wrong about calling the FBI I'm sure. Just maybe an unusual choice.

We don't know who the neighbor works for or who he knows. I have done it (call the FBI). And I've thought about doing it again (my experience

Agree. I'm not a law expert so how long does someone have to plan something for it to be considered pre-meditated? Just thought about before doing?

I would say the initial abuse was not, but the cover-up that followed was.

Seconds. If I get mad and grab the nearest object (right now that's a book) and throw it at your head without thinking, that's not premeditated.

BUT if I look around, stand up and grab the statue on the shelf nearby (much heavier) and throw *that* at your head, that's premeditated. Anything that indicates the brain worked to find a way to inflict damage is premeditation most places. Anything that resembles, "I'm gonna kill that kid" is premeditation.

Abandoning a child somewhere is child neglect and abandonment; if they die can be premeditated murder. Even if the person didn't "intend" for the child to die, they committed one crime that led to another. These are issues for juries to decide. You have 5 kids and accidentally leave one at the rest stop and they get run over? Not premeditated. You put a kid by

Transport of anything from one place to another to aid in the commission of a felony (such as felony child abuse) that results in the death of the child is almost always premeditation, even if the person claims "I didn't mean to."

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[oviedo]

I could be wrong but I feel like the FBI wasn’t even involved yet at that early point (?). Especially if it’s true that the video gave them the break they needed to even start feeling like there was a case/something amiss.

Snipped from the timeline on page 1- FBI involved Thursday - neighbor viewed video After - early references were Dad called LE - interesting if it was FBI and I suspect the agent gave him his card when he spoke with him after being called in (I believe FBI spoke with AS but I don’t have a reference handy so IMO they would have wanted to interview all the parents
JMO
———-
Thursday, Jan. 30
- Upgrade case from runaway to endangered missing child
- EPSO requests resources from NCMEC and FBI Crimes Abduction Rapid Deployment Team
FBI now involved in ongoing search for missing 11-year-old Colorado Springs boy
Searching southeastern Colorado Springs: Mother of missing Colorado Springs boy pleads for him to come home
Mynatt said Tuesday that investigators were looking at every part of the timeline

 

[10ofRods]

Some random thoughts.

SNIPped for focus

Also, just as a thought, 't' rex made STRONG mention of hiking at Garden of the Gods. I wonder why that was so important to her, you know, for US to know that. Sounds like that period of time may be when some research/work was being done. Sure, maybe they 'went' to GOG's, but for how long, and where else might they have gone/explored that day?

carry on!

I think she wants to establish that whatever caused blood to be in the garage/house took place on Saturday night, he was fine, he was good, he was not injured badly. He went hiking and was happy right?

Of course, I think that injury occurred AFTER the hike - but she wants us to think it was Saturday night.