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The brains of persons with PTSD diagnoses actually vary from those of normal controls.






^ This last article is a good summary of neuro-imaging up until 2022

Plus at least another 10 pages of neurological research (just from S.P.E.C.T. analysis and just in one year). There are other neuro-imaging studies using PET and MRI that show similar results.

There are thousands of studies.

IMO. Epigenetics and neurophysiology in action.
 
PTSD, anxiety (generalised, social etc) and depression all exist and have always existed, and all are different from each other. However, none of them (if she has any) excuse or diminish Letecias actions. She killed an innocent child and she needs to pay for that.

We’re so close to justice now!
 
Nah, I developed PTSD from a sexual assault as a teenager, and I can tell u aside from the nightmares and flashbacks, I developed a crazy startle response. If someone walks into a room I jump. I never had that before and it won’t go away. It’s embarrassing.
That one sucks, big time. It was awful to have while in high school, where jerks think it's the height of humour to try and provoke that startle, often on a daily basis.

What people without trauma don't realise is how boring it is. "This again? Really?" I spend my life bumping up against limitations my brain created in a desperate attempt to keep me safe. Sometimes, you can slowly, painstakingly dismantle one, but for most of them, you have to learn to live with them, or navigate the long way around to get anywhere. And when your trauma began when you were very, very young, there is no memory or template of a 'before' to work back to - what you've got is what you've got, it's how you grew and developed, like a plant that grew up through the pavers. You spend your life struggling to find a response for people looking at you blankly and asking, "Well, why can't you just xyz?" They never understand that they might as well be asking why don't you just teleport to the moon for a holiday. It's just as fanciful as assuming anything for someone with trauma is straightforward.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people with trauma related mental health conditions and disorders like PTSD, CPTSD, DID and other dissociative disorders, and anxiety and depression conditions linked to their trauma, are just doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. Trauma disorders aren't on trial here. The unrepentant murderer of an eleven year old is.

MOO
 
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That one sucks, big time. It was awful to have while in high school, where jerks think it's the high of humour to try and provoke that startle, often on a daily basis.

What people without trauma don't realise is how boring it is. "This again? Really?" I spend my life bumping up against limitations my brain created in a desperate attempt to keep me safe. Sometimes, you can slowly, painstakingly dismantle one, but for most of them, you have to learn to live with them, or navigate the long way around to get anywhere. And when your trauma began when you were very, very young, there is no memory or template of a 'before' to work back to - what you've got is what you've got, it's how you grew and developed, like a plant that grew up through the pavers. You spend your life struggling to find a response for people looking at you blankly and asking, "Well, why can't you just xyz?" They never understand that they might as well be asking why don't you just teleport to the moon for a holiday. It's just as fanciful as assuming anything for someone with trauma is straightforward.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people with trauma related mental health conditions and disorders like PTSD, CPTSD, DID and other dissociative disorders, and anxiety and depression conditions linked to their trauma, are just doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. Trauma disorders aren't on trial here. The unrepentant murderer of an eleven year old is.

MOO
Yes, I would never kill anyone. Lol! My trauma didn’t take my human decency away. I agree.
 
That one sucks, big time. It was awful to have while in high school, where jerks think it's the height of humour to try and provoke that startle, often on a daily basis.

What people without trauma don't realise is how boring it is. "This again? Really?" I spend my life bumping up against limitations my brain created in a desperate attempt to keep me safe. Sometimes, you can slowly, painstakingly dismantle one, but for most of them, you have to learn to live with them, or navigate the long way around to get anywhere. And when your trauma began when you were very, very young, there is no memory or template of a 'before' to work back to - what you've got is what you've got, it's how you grew and developed, like a plant that grew up through the pavers. You spend your life struggling to find a response for people looking at you blankly and asking, "Well, why can't you just xyz?" They never understand that they might as well be asking why don't you just teleport to the moon for a holiday. It's just as fanciful as assuming anything for someone with trauma is straightforward.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people with trauma related mental health conditions and disorders like PTSD, CPTSD, DID and other dissociative disorders, and anxiety and depression conditions linked to their trauma, are just doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. Trauma disorders aren't on trial here. The unrepentant murderer of an eleven year old is.

MOO
BBM - yes, very well put
 
I would love to see Dan May take the stand on Monday and pull everything together for us. He definitely was part of the investigation early on. I remember he showed up at the house himself to look at the crime scene.

Who has the witness list? Any chance Dan May's name is on there as a possible witness??
I’m a fan of Dan May as well. But, I don’t see him offering anything new or revolutionary to what has been testified to. i think it has to be one of the psychologist who could further testify to LS’s sanity or additional testimony nailing down Florida trip details maybe. Idk, hard to say. I’m at a loss on guesses. MOO
 
I was reviewing Trial Day 15 and I located the time stamps for a 7-minute section where LS is explaining how she consciously and intentionally creates her fantasy "multiple personalities". She discusses Harmony, Christina, Taylor, Maria, Victoria. At the end she describes the fantasy "world" that she, LS, created consciously and intentionally for Taylor who is married to Tyler, with 3 children Arianna, Alicia, and Adriano. LS does not explain if these children are "personalities". There is just one person LS giving this account and her demeanor IMO is animated, glib, chatty, even eager to tell her stories. She displays no involuntary spasm or tremor movements.

See hour 5:55.00 through hour 6:02.00 of the Trial Day at link.

IckedMel, Trial Day 15, Wed 4/26/23
youtube = ISHMmT0DVLk
 
I was looking for the Duck Lips Dance in Trial Day 15 for the time stamp.

See hour 7.23.00 through hour 7.23.30 of the Trial Day at link.

IckedMel, Trial Day 15, Wed 4/26/23
youtube = ISHMmT0DVLk

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This entire post is JMO. After the performance, I detect the barely noticeable flicker of Duper's Delight, very pleased with herself.

I believe that LS is probably observing the long term intractable psychosis patients at the state mental hospital, and that LS is voluntarily and wittingly attempting to perform unusual movements to look "crazy" - but LS isn't taking drugs like phenothiazines that can cause tardive dyskenisia. High doses of strong neuroleptic drugs for long periods can cause irreversible damage to the motor nerves called tardive dyskinesia. The symptoms are INvoluntary tongue darting or worming, jaw chewing, face and neck spasms or tics, and the spasms or tremors may even reach the trunk and limbs. If you have seen it, it is clearly involuntary, esp. the unusual movements of the tongue cannot be consciously repeated. LS isn't fooling the doctors with these behaviors.

More JMO: MPD/DID is closer to the conversion hysterics in terms of rigid muscular contractions. When the original trauma occurs, there is a corresponding physical reaction to that stimulus. Imagine you walk into your bathroom, flip on the light switch, and a big hairy spider is there. You scream, make a face, retract your body away - this is a physical response of the nervous system to a fright, a minor trauma to the mind. MPD/DID patients may have deep muscular rigidities associated with their repressed memories of trauma (see Wilhelm Reich, "Character Analysis" where he suggests massage to release the repressed emotion and memories). So with the recovery of repressed MPD/DID memories, there may appear rigid muscular states anywhere in the body, especially the face and neck may have many contorted, grimaced, pained, temporary rigid positions associated with the different personality states, and deep tremors. While these are involuntary releases of energy related to stored memory, there is not going to be the appearance of brain damage as in tardive dyskinesia such as tongue darting. I have seen conversion hysterics also look like this: red-faced, jaw jutted out, teeth clenched, eyes glassy, neck rigid, body in deep tremors and shaking. Dr. Torres talked about the personality switching being subtle, and it can be esp. in public, on the surface, everywhere outside of continuing intensive therapy or hospital where the alter personalities appear with the original trauma mental memories and physical memories.

Sorry I am posting so long here, but JMO my point is that LS got her phony " crazy" physical symptoms wrong in 3 ways because she is ignorant and stupid. LS tried to mimic the psychotic/schizophrenic patients, LS was mimicking (poorly) not psychosis but drug side effects, and LS doesn't know about the muscular rigidities and contorted faces of MPD/DID.
 
Went back to opening statements to see what DA Allen told the Jury about Sanity/Insanity. It’s right at the beginning.

*****. Warning *****

Right after he explains Sanity they play the “candle video”
I know some of us never want to hear that again
************************************************************************************

 
“I gain nothing from hurting a child.”

This IMO is the closest she’ll ever come to remorse. Not because of the terror and pain she inflicted on Gannon and his family, but because she’s realized she didn’t gain from it.

All while trying to blame her stepdad.

Sorry, T. There’s only one abusive stepparent in this story.
 
That one sucks, big time. It was awful to have while in high school, where jerks think it's the height of humour to try and provoke that startle, often on a daily basis.

What people without trauma don't realise is how boring it is. "This again? Really?" I spend my life bumping up against limitations my brain created in a desperate attempt to keep me safe. Sometimes, you can slowly, painstakingly dismantle one, but for most of them, you have to learn to live with them, or navigate the long way around to get anywhere. And when your trauma began when you were very, very young, there is no memory or template of a 'before' to work back to - what you've got is what you've got, it's how you grew and developed, like a plant that grew up through the pavers. You spend your life struggling to find a response for people looking at you blankly and asking, "Well, why can't you just xyz?" They never understand that they might as well be asking why don't you just teleport to the moon for a holiday. It's just as fanciful as assuming anything for someone with trauma is straightforward.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people with trauma related mental health conditions and disorders like PTSD, CPTSD, DID and other dissociative disorders, and anxiety and depression conditions linked to their trauma, are just doing the best they can with what they've got to work with. Trauma disorders aren't on trial here. The unrepentant murderer of an eleven year old is.

MOO
Really, really grateful for your candor, for sharing your experience which is so deeply personal. It's illuminating -- and it's gives me a reference point to evaluate T's presentation. She is an insult, an affront to those who are, as you say, often doing the best they can, dealing with the complex challenges of living with the conditions she is feigning. I find her offensive in every way.

T & Co. seem to have missed a chapter in the diagnostic manual. DID is not a one off. You don't create it in your mind. You certainly don't create it off a popular series! She may as well have chosen the cast of The Love Boat, Survivor Season Whatever, Grey's Anatomy. While stealing mugshots off ones Yahoo news feed.

You don't develop DID one time, instant onset when a celebrity dies in a fiery place crash and it triggers grief from a made-up miscarriage for a pregnancy that never happened. It's absurd.

I am sure T's mental fiber has been tested by first a prolongued attack resulting in murder, being on the run, being arrested and being incarcerated. I don't particularly care but I do acknowledge it. T is probably suffering because abandonment is real and she probably feels it. Limited access to people to barnacle herself to. Oh, well.

I'd really like to see her notes. Did she write them all down? All her created characters and their imaginary lives? That's so not DID. That's boredom. That's deceit. Obnoxious. And those are probably the nicest things I can say about it. There's a deep hole of ugly in her.

Malingering, maladapted, cruel.

Still thinks she's running the show.

That's fine. She can. For now. But in very short order, both sides will rest, and the jury and the judge will run her show, right into the penalty box. LWOP plus.

It can't happen soon enough.

Jmo
 
Excellent post, @Megnut.

If LS is indeed BPD (which seems likely), your analysis is right on. She should be decompensating in jail - and perhaps she has. She might be on low dose anti-psychotics. None of it looks like DID.

Freud was the first to describe the borderline state (between neurosis and psychosis) and attributed it to secondary (adult) narcissism. Or at least, thought it was related. For years, there were papers on this topic, and entire books. If so, LS is a very severe case. I want to be clear that most BPD people do not murder but they often leave a path of chaos behind.

I am guessing that tomorrow's expert witness may be that fourth psychologist on the witness list (I may be misremembering how many there are). I hope he can make it clear to the jury that personal disorders are exactly that (disorders, not mental illness). On pins and needles here and really appreciate that you wrote all of your above post.

IMO.
 
Excellent post, @Megnut.

If LS is indeed BPD (which seems likely), your analysis is right on. She should be decompensating in jail - and perhaps she has. She might be on low dose anti-psychotics. None of it looks like DID.

Freud was the first to describe the borderline state (between neurosis and psychosis) and attributed it to secondary (adult) narcissism. Or at least, thought it was related. For years, there were papers on this topic, and entire books. If so, LS is a very severe case. I want to be clear that most BPD people do not murder but they often leave a path of chaos behind.

I am guessing that tomorrow's expert witness may be that fourth psychologist on the witness list (I may be misremembering how many there are). I hope he can make it clear to the jury that personal disorders are exactly that (disorders, not mental illness). On pins and needles here and really appreciate that you wrote all of your above post.

IMO.
I still think there's a decent whack of ASPD in there, though Torres and the others didn't seem to think so. I do wonder if she had access to the older criminal history, the bomb threat etc. when they decided she didn't have enough features. Not saying she'd have enough for a straight-up dx, but there's stuff in there that I think fits with ASPD features. However, I am not a psych, and I'm just going off what we've seen and heard. Also, there are many folks with ASPD who live their lives without major transgressions of the law, let alone child murder. It's not a valid reason to kill anybody.

MOO
 
I still think there's a decent whack of ASPD in there, though Torres and the others didn't seem to think so. I do wonder if she had access to the older criminal history, the bomb threat etc. when they decided she didn't have enough features. Not saying she'd have enough for a straight-up dx, but there's stuff in there that I think fits with ASPD features. However, I am not a psych, and I'm just going off what we've seen and heard. Also, there are many folks with ASPD who live their lives without major transgressions of the law, let alone child murder. It's not a valid reason to kill anybody.

MOO

Oh, for sure (or, in my native tongue "fer sure."

One of the things about BPD, longterm, has been this debate about how it overlaps with several other DSM-5 diagnostic categories, making it more likely for some people to have dual diagnosis. I think she fits all but 1-2 of the criteria for ASPD. The majority of ASPD patients have had run-ins with the law. The threats that LS made when she was a teen/young adult are consistent with Conduct Disorder, etc.

But most ASPD people fly way below the mental health radar (they are not the ones we need to send for mental health services in colleges and universities or high schools). The Borderline quality that Freud was noting is very similar to the chaotic overall personality style of someone like LS.

IMO.
 
Oh, for sure (or, in my native tongue "fer sure."

One of the things about BPD, longterm, has been this debate about how it overlaps with several other DSM-5 diagnostic categories, making it more likely for some people to have dual diagnosis. I think she fits all but 1-2 of the criteria for ASPD. The majority of ASPD patients have had run-ins with the law. The threats that LS made when she was a teen/young adult are consistent with Conduct Disorder, etc.

But most ASPD people fly way below the mental health radar (they are not the ones we need to send for mental health services in colleges and universities or high schools). The Borderline quality that Freud was noting is very similar to the chaotic overall personality style of someone like LS.

IMO.
Perhaps I missed it but I do not recall that LS's known adolescent criminal activities occurred before age 15. The only offenses I know about happened later at age 17-18. So I'm not sure those activities fit with the ASPD criterion of evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.

She may have just flown under the radar (or had records sealed that stayed sealed.) But apparently she was an honor student and attracted positive attention during the early and mid-adolescent years. If what appears to be true is true, I do wonder what happened.
JMO
 
Went back to opening statements to see what DA Allen told the Jury about Sanity/Insanity. It’s right at the beginning.

*****. Warning *****

Right after he explains Sanity they play the “candle video”
I know some of us never want to hear that again
************************************************************************************

I decided I'd make a transcript and I used the video you linked above. I skipped over the physical descriptions of the crime, so it should be safe for everyone to read. I put it in a spoiler due to its length.

DA Michael Allen:…has to do with sanity. Specifically, the defendant’s sanity. At the conclusion of the evidence, the court will give you jury instructions. One specific jury instruction will talk specifically about insanity.

It will read that as to the question of sanity, the defendant was insane at the time of the commission of the acts if she was so diseased or defective in mind at the time of the commission of the acts as to be incapable of distinguishing right from wrong with respect to that act. Or she suffered from a condition of mind caused by a mental disease or defect that prevented her from forming a culpable mental state that is an essential element of a crime charged. A culpable mental state is like intentional or knowingly.

Evidence, in this case, will show that she could distinguish between right and wrong and that she was absolutely capable of forming the specific intent required for these charges. Those instructions will go on to give specific guidance on what qualifies as a mental disease or defect.

It says care should be taken to [not] confuse mental disease or defect with moral obliquity, mental depravity, action growing out of anger, revenge, or hatred; or other motives and kindred evil conditions. Because when an act is induced by any of these causes—the ones that I have just listed—the person is accountable to the law. Meaning that person can be found guilty for committing crimes charged.

You should consider the evidence you will hear in this case in context with that instruction.

This case is about two people.

{skipped portion describing physical elements of crime}​

(17:08) All of her actions were purposely designed by her to distance herself from what she did; throw off investigators. Buy her time. Escape accountability for what she did to Gannon on January 27, 2020.

At the conclusion of the evidence that we will be presenting in this case, you will be asked to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty of the charges that we have leveled against her. You will also be asked to determine whether she was sane or insane at the time that she killed Gannon.

All of her decisions; all of her deliberate actions betray her claims of insanity. She knew that what she had done to Gannon was wrong. Why hide it? You will hear her own voice through recorded phone calls and interviews. The evidence itself will prove her sanity.

As jurors, part of your job will be to determine how much credibility, if any, you give to the witnesses. That same rule applies to expert witnesses. You will get to hear from doctors, you will get to hear from GPS expert witnesses. And when they take the stand and take an oath, you get to judge whether what they are saying makes sense. Is it credible or not? And if it’s not credible, you get to discard it. If it’s credible, you can use it in your deliberations. But you all get to decide whether that credibility extends to that witness or not. The same will hold true for our expert witnesses, and the defense expert witnesses.

You get to hear from a doctor that will testify that the defendant was insane at the time of the murder of Gannon Stauch on January 27, 2020.

With all the expert witnesses, you should gauge what they are saying, measure it against the other evidence that you are hearing. Does it make sense or not? Like all expert witnesses, if it doesn’t make sense, you can discard it.

You will also hear from others who knew her best. People that had the best opportunity to see how she was acting. Did she understand the difference between right and wrong; could she form intent? People like Al Stauch, the man who was married to her. People like her brother, Dakota Lowry, who flew out here after Gannon went missing. And most importantly, her very own daughter, Harley Hunt. See, Harley Hunt was at the best position to know the defendant’s state of mind especially as it relates to when this crime occurred. She was the only other “older” person in the house. When Al left to go to Oklahoma, Harley Hunt was working. She is young. 17 years old at the time; thinking about going into the Air Force. And she becomes the defendant’s closest confidant after the defendant killed Gannon Stauch. In fact, she also rode with the defendant on that van ride from Colorado Springs to Florida. She will be able to tell you in her own words whether the defendant understood the difference between right and wrong. Whether she could act intentionally or deliberately or not. And she will tell you that she could on both counts.

Remember this case is about two people. Gannon had no choice what happened to him that day on January 27. The other, this defendant, she held every single decision in her hands. She took deliberate thoughtful actions that ended a precious life and tore a family apart.

Your job as jurors will be to listen intently to all of the evidence. Because even the most mundane evidence, it might seem inconsequential when you are listening, is being given to you purposely so that you can make the determinations you need to make as jurors.

Did she understand the difference between right and wrong? Was she able to form a culpable mental state? Every single piece of evidence that comes from this chair will be used by you to make that determination. The next time I get to talk with you directly the way I’m doing right now—that will mean we have concluded the evidence and we are giving closing arguments. At that time both sides will get to ask you to make determinations based on what has, what you all have heard.

We are going to ask you to hold us to our burden of proof. The criminal justice system doesn’t work if you don’t hold us to our burden of proof. Our burden of proof is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The things we have to prove are the elements of the crimes charged. We also have to disprove that the defendant is insane. Meaning essentially, we have to prove that she was sane. The evidence will do that for you.

We will ask you to give justice to Gannon Stauch. We will ask you to find this defendant guilty for what she did to him more than three years ago. We will ask you to find her guilty of murder in the first degree—murder in the first degree of a child under 12 years of age; tampering with a deceased human body for taking Gannon’s body from that scene and transporting it across the country; and tampering with physical evidence.

We’ll ask you to convict her on each and every one of those charges. And the evidence will guide you towards those convictions.

On January 27, 2020, at 6:55 pm, the defendant herself called 911. She called 911 to report that Gannon was missing and had not come home. The call taker you will hear asked the defendant, “Who was the last person to see Gannon”? (Tape playing) “Uhm, I guess, me.”

The evidence will show that she was the last person to see Gannon alive. The evidence will show that she was sane on January 27, 2020, when she ended Gannon’s life. The evidence will show that she acted intentionally and deliberately when she took Gannon’s life.

And then we will ask you to convict her. Thank you.
 
Perhaps I missed it but I do not recall that LS's known adolescent criminal activities occurred before age 15. The only offenses I know about happened later at age 17-18. So I'm not sure those activities fit with the ASPD criterion of evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.

She may have just flown under the radar (or had records sealed that stayed sealed.) But apparently she was an honor student and attracted positive attention during the early and mid-adolescent years. If what appears to be true is true, I do wonder what happened.
JMO

I think that 15 year old guideline is contingent upon when clinicians want to diagnose ASPD instead. In the real world, psychiatrists are shifting their views about when "childhood" ends and, well, it's doubtful that LS's 17-18 year old self was functioning above the level of a 15 year old (esp. given what she did).

Your choice. You can deem it ASPD instead. I myself would want to see testing on various developmental issues (including various cognitive/IQ scores). LS seems still to be functioning at a lower level than her age would indicate.

The psychiatrists I work with do not hold hard and fast to the person being 15 and under. ASPD people can certainly be honor students. Very much so. The question becomes, are they doing it honestly? And the answer is sometimes "no."

ASPD can be co-morbid with NPD, but when that happens, a lot of psychiatrists are also pondering BPD (to which both ASPD and BPD are in continuous alignment with symptoms). In this study the Conduct Disorder group (which was subjected to neuroimaging studies) went up to 17.

That's because DSM is about research, and then, diagnosis. It's a tool, not a Bible. There's nothing biologically different between most 15 year olds and most 17 year olds. People vary a great deal in their life stages.

IMO.

This study went deliberately out of its way to challenge DSM-5 criteria (which is the whole point of DSM, IMO) and also included 17 year olds. The reason they're stopping at 17 is because 18 is legal adulthood, etc (and that's not a psychiatric determination). Many diagnoses are sociocultural, when observed on the ground. I can remember the days when under-18's were diagnosed with ASPD instead (to avoid what is considered a prejudicial diagnoses, psychiatrists basically form teams and then vote on changes, bringing them to conventions and conferences before each DSM revision). Just as Sexual Sadism was removed (leaving very few places in DSM where it can belong) due to worries about legal implications, ASPD was criticized for its legal implications as well. The decisions do pull in other variables (and research) than just psychiatrists, of course. The study just cited started with ADHD twins (because genetics) who are more likely to end up in jail and therefore meet the criteria of CD. To disentangle this somewhat, the study was conducted.

This earlier study (from 2009) tries to assess the entanglement of ADHD and CD through family history analysis (researchers were pediatricians; pediatric psychopharmacologists to be specific).

It really doesn't make a lot of sense to make a diagnosis change arbitrarily due to the patient's birthday. It's definitely a continuum. The goal of making it 16 or 15 and under for CD was to avert the stigma of a diagnosis of ASPD. Since it is often difficult to distinguish CD from ADHD, and both are present in childhood, it's also difficult to know when to change the diagnosis.

In this study of CD patients, the average age was 15.9 at the onset of the study (aiming to study the transition between CD and ASPD). IOW, the research must drive the criteria and not the other way around. The subjects were studied as they grew older, obviously. The goal was to figure out if anything observable happens after age 15-16 to change the CD patients into ASPD (aside from their age).

In this New Zealand research, 18 year olds with Conduct Disorder were specifically studied. Someone has to take on these issues, because there's no known causal relationship between a calendar and a disorder. The study notes that way more research is needed to show exactly how these diagnoses are related to development (and answer the question of why and how ASPD people emerge from the CD group - which is another, related topic).

I don't really care whether we say LS had CD or ASPD. She is definitely meeting criteria for ASPD now. I can provide more links on CD in over 15 year olds (to show that there is active research on what might come out in the next iteration of DSM). If anyone wants them.

IMO.
 
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