CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

[kaen]

I really do think the reason they’ve kept quiet about who this witness is, is so Letecia doesn’t try to pull another sicky

Her legal team knows who the witness is because they have the list and it seems like the two sides communicate. I am sure LS knows who it is.

 

[Warwick7]

Her legal team knows who the witness is because they have the list and it seems like the two sides communicate. I am sure LS knows who it is.

Her team does have the list, however, they don't have the order in which prosecution wants to bring them forward.

Her team can only go on process of elimination.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm not surprised that the prosecution (or defense) hasn't named and/or shared the actual schedule for its final witnesses given the high-profile nature of this case. The state has an obligation to protect the integrity of the Trial and also be mindful of the safety of the witnesses.

I was following another Colorado case last year (no body murder) where an endorsed witness was shot and killed on the street before she could testify. I believe the homicide is still being investigated. (An endorsed witness is expected to testify for the prosecution).

And not that I think anybody is out gunning for the witnesses here -- the principle remains the same. JMO

Prosecution witness in Donthe Lucas trial killed in Denver shooting

A witness in the ongoing Donthe Lucas trial was shot and killed in Denver before having the opportunity to take the stand.

www.kktv.com

ETA: A suspect turned himself in but the AA was sealed.

 

[10ofRods]

I'm not surprised that the prosecution (or defense) hasn't named and/or shared the actual schedule for its final witnesses given the high-profile nature of this case. The state has an obligation to protect the integrity of the Trial and also be mindful of the safety of the witnesses.

I was following another Colorado case last year (no body murder) where an endorsed witness was shot and killed on the street before she could testify. I believe the homicide is still being investigated. (An endorsed witness is expected to testify for the prosecution).

And not that I think anybody is out gunning for the witnesses here -- the principle remains the same. JMO

Prosecution witness in Donthe Lucas trial killed in Denver shooting

A witness in the ongoing Donthe Lucas trial was shot and killed in Denver before having the opportunity to take the stand.

www.kktv.com

ETA: A suspect turned himself in but the AA was sealed.

Is there an obligation to share with anyone but the Judge?

Just curious.

 

[Seattle1]

Is there an obligation to share with anyone but the Judge?

Just curious.

Several versions of the witness lists are in the court docs. I'm sure the Court and the parties are aware -- just no obligation to publish the schedule.

Just as we all anticipated HH would testify, we learned she was next on the date she took the stand.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I wonder if this is the last week of trial I hope so. Then LWOP hopefully. This has gone on long enough time for justice then never to hear her name again jmoo

 

[Megnut]

I wonder if closing statements will be as surprisingly brief as the opening ones were.

If this goes to the jury, say, Wednesday afternoon, will they deliberate on Thursday, if need be? Or jump to Friday?

 

[Angiebla]

Is there an obligation to share with anyone but the Judge?

Just curious.

No they dont Im just super nosey. I know, its a problem.

Ive been waiting all weekend, but I will most likely miss the testimony tomorrow. Even when I watch it, I always read here.

I appreciate your mental health posts, @iamshadow21 updates/recaps (she is good!), and a few other posters that are on the ball to recap what was said.

 

[iamshadow21]

No they dont Im just super nosey. I know, its a problem.

Ive been waiting all weekend, but I will most likely miss the testimony tomorrow. Even when I watch it, I always read here.

I appreciate your mental health posts, @iamshadow21 updates/recaps (she is good!), and a few other posters that are on the ball to recap what was said.

Just doing my best! I slept roughly twelve hours a night each of the last two days, and I'm about to go to bed again to hopefully rise refreshed and ready for Monday court in eleven and a half hours. (Court doesn't start in eleven and a half hours, just with my ADHD I need a minimum of an hour upright, plus coffee, plus Ritalin to be able to operate a keyboard coherently. If I just rolled out of bed and started typing, it would not be quality content by anybody's measure.) I am still very tired, but feel far less awful than I did a few days ago.

MOO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

So defense tries to use an article that Torres sent him to say that her report was incorrect and says something like: so do you have the article by brand? well, it's Dr. Brand and a lot of other people.
Torres must be biting her tongue.

 

[Cindizzi]

I wonder if closing statements will be as surprisingly brief as the opening ones were.

If this goes to the jury, say, Wednesday afternoon, will they deliberate on Thursday, if need be? Or jump to Friday?

Judge gave both sides a one hour limitation on opening statements.

He is not going to limit them on closing arguments.

 

[Seattle1]

Judge gave both sides a one hour limitation on opening statements.

He is not going to limit them on closing arguments.

Yes, and I was surprised!
He did remind them that he prefers setting limits so I hope nobody takes advantage here.

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[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

#1 question:
Are we done yet?

You dont know how real that question is to me after watching this testimony when I can over the past three days

 

[10ofRods]

I still think there's a decent whack of ASPD in there, though Torres and the others didn't seem to think so. I do wonder if she had access to the older criminal history, the bomb threat etc. when they decided she didn't have enough features. Not saying she'd have enough for a straight-up dx, but there's stuff in there that I think fits with ASPD features. However, I am not a psych, and I'm just going off what we've seen and heard. Also, there are many folks with ASPD who live their lives without major transgressions of the law, let alone child murder. It's not a valid reason to kill anybody.

MOO

I do too. I just like pondering what we are supposed to do (diagnostically) with a 16 year old who already has the symptoms of Conduct Disorder (which are broad, but overlap with ASPD). When is the personality fully formed? In the early 20th century, I believe most schools of psychological and psychiatric thought disagreed, but thought it was around 18-19. Today, researchers are entertaining the notion that adulthood is achieved more slowly (at least in the US - due to many factors, including sociocultural ones).

So, from my point of view, it's obvious that T. fits ASPD (now, as a 30-something). But she has a history of symptoms (that we know of) dating back to her late teens. Almost no one with CD suddenly develops it at age 15. In fact, some psychiatrists (and others) believe it's detectable in 5-6 year olds. But why does it exist? Is it fully acquired/learned? Or is it partly genetic? No one knows. The research into ASPD is a little more conclusive - it definitely runs in families, although not at all to the degree that schizophrenia or bipolar do.

If LS had misconduct in her teens, it is likely that it started way earlier, IMO. She is now a sociopath (IMO) and that took some time. ASPD/multiple diagnosis persons (which includes BPD) qualify for the broader term (sociopath) IMO.

Some people think that signs of CD start at age 5-6.

IMO. Can provide links if anyone is interested.

 

[Niner]

Monday, May 1st:
*Trial continues (Day 17) (@ 9am MT) – CO – Gannon Jacob Stauch (11) (reported missing Jan. 27, 2020, Colorado Springs; found in a suitcase along the Escambia River Bridge (on US90) on Mar. 17, 2020 in Pace, FL., Santa Rosa County; ID’d on June 6, 2020) – *Letecia Lynn (or Leann) Stauch (36/now 39) akas Letecia “Tecia” Lynn Hardin (maiden name) & Letecia Lynn Hunt (1st married name), Tiffany Taylor Stauch & Taylor Swift arrested (in Myrtle Beach, S.C. on 3/2/20) & advised of charges (3/5/20) & charged (3/11/20 & re-filed 3/20/20) & arraigned (11/4/21) with 2 counts of 1st degree felony murder (after intent & deliberation), 2nd degree felony child abuse resulting in death (this count dismissed on 4/3/23), 3rd degree felony tampering with deceased human body, 6th degree felony tampering with physical evidence & 8 counts of crime of violence (special enhancer: firearm, blunt instrument, knife or sharp instrument & causing the death of Gannon). Held without bond. Plead not guilty. On 2/11/22 changed plea to not guilty by reason of insanity. (for original charges (3/5/20) see post 362 page 19 of thread #54).
*Charged (filed 5/20/20) & charged (6/5/20) with solicitation to commit escape. $2K bond. Plead not guilty.
Stauch faces a second case in which she is accused of attempting to escape from the El Paso County jail in May 2020. The second case against Stauch is on hold until the completion of the 1st degree murder trial.
Trial began on 3/20/23 with jury selection & ended on 4/3/23 for final jury selection with 11 men & 7 women. 12 jurors & 6 alternates. 4/17/23: Juror 12 dismissed. 11 men & 6 women. 12 jurors & 5 alternates.
Trial began on 4/3/23 with opening statements.
Trial will be from 9am to 5pm on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Friday each week.
No Trial on Thursdays as Judge has other commitments.
No trial on 5/12/23.
Case & court info from 3/2/20 to 3/20/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-7 (3/20-4/3/23) & Trial Day 1-15 (4/3 & 4/26/23) reference post #741 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-38
4/28/23 Friday, Trial Day 16: Judge Gregory Werner says there is a delay because of the physical condition of the defendant. Court is in recess.
For more info see posts #761 & 766 [pg 39] & 782, 783, 789 & 795 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-50
For more info see posts #8 & 17 (summary of morning session) [pg 1], 59 [pg 3], 91 & 92 [pg 5], 102, 104, 108 & 117 [pg 6], 124, 125, 127, 128, 132 & 134 ([pg 7], 141, 144, 149, 158 [pg 8], 166 [pg 9], 181 & 190 [pg 10], 219 [pg 11], 243 & 252 [pg 13] & 274 (summary afternoon session) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-64.675961/page-14
for more info see posts # 637 to 640 (summaries) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ia-maps-timeline-no-discussion.500902/page-32
Monday, 5/1/23 is the State's final witness. Judge Werner discussed future Closing Arguments, Jury deliberations, the families of the victim, etc. & how to manage crowd control. Discussion Done! Court will be in Recess for the Weekend. Judge Werner said he will not place time limits on closing arguments.
For more info see posts #301 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-64.675961/page=16
Trial continues at 9am on Monday morning, 5/1/23.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Here for Gannon, he is the true and only victim here.

Wonder who this surprise witness will be? Personally, I'm sick to death of seeing and hearing (audio) of this defendant. She's vile, disgusting, a pathological liar, dangerous, violent, but not insane.

Find her guilty, lock her in prison and throw the key away. Just like Jodi Arias, I never want to see or hear from her again.

MOO

 

[heartandsoul]

Her legal team knows who the witness is because they have the list and it seems like the two sides communicate. I am sure LS knows who it is.

Maybe, but maybe not

We'll find out soon though!

 

[NCWatcher]

I do too. I just like pondering what we are supposed to do (diagnostically) with a 16 year old who already has the symptoms of Conduct Disorder (which are broad, but overlap with ASPD). When is the personality fully formed? In the early 20th century, I believe most schools of psychological and psychiatric thought disagreed, but thought it was around 18-19. Today, researchers are entertaining the notion that adulthood is achieved more slowly (at least in the US - due to many factors, including sociocultural ones).

So, from my point of view, it's obvious that T. fits ASPD (now, as a 30-something). But she has a history of symptoms (that we know of) dating back to her late teens. Almost no one with CD suddenly develops it at age 15. In fact, some psychiatrists (and others) believe it's detectable in 5-6 year olds. But why does it exist? Is it fully acquired/learned? Or is it partly genetic? No one knows. The research into ASPD is a little more conclusive - it definitely runs in families, although not at all to the degree that schizophrenia or bipolar do.

If LS had misconduct in her teens, it is likely that it started way earlier, IMO. She is now a sociopath (IMO) and that took some time. ASPD/multiple diagnosis persons (which includes BPD) qualify for the broader term (sociopath) IMO.

Some people think that signs of CD start at age 5-6.

IMO. Can provide links if anyone is interested.

The idea that Conduct Disorder and ASPD don't just appear out of nowhere was the point I was making earlier. It's possible LS's antisocial conduct at early ages was hidden. But it does appear we have no evidence she exhibited antisocial behaviors at early ages unless we are willing to say because those existed at 18 (assuming we count the known criminal violations) those behaviors must have existed at earlier ages too. I'm not willing to say that. And I guess none of the evaluators have been either-- none of them mentioned ASPD or even antisocial traits that I know of.

I think something significant may have happened to LS in early to mid-adolescence. Much too late to create DID, of course.
JMO

 

[Yellow Rose]

Here for you sweetheart! Justice is coming!

 

[Megnut]

The idea that Conduct Disorder and ASPD don't just appear out of nowhere was the point I was making earlier. It's possible LS's antisocial conduct at early ages was hidden. But it does appear we have no evidence she exhibited antisocial behaviors at early ages unless we are willing to say because those existed at 18 (assuming we count the known criminal violations) those behaviors must have existed at earlier ages too. I'm not willing to say that. And I guess none of the evaluators have been either-- none of them mentioned ASPD or even antisocial traits that I know of.

I think something significant may have happened to LS in early to mid-adolescence. Much too late to create DID, of course.
JMO

Teen pregnancy happened.

Jmo