CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #12

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It is uplifting, yet so sad, to see the pictures of Jessica taken with the people who loved her. In almost every picture, Jessica looked genuinely happy. Her smile really did light up a room.

I know this link has been posted before, but in case you missed it, here is a link to the memorial service. Keep a tissue handy when you watch it.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/2...er-Jessicas-killer-may-have-attended-memorial
 
Most people have instincts that dictate how they react. My first instinct would be to fight, kick, scream, anything to attract the attention of others or just run. But some people might just freeze when a gun or a knife is pressed to their back. Most children would do the same, it's not in their basic instinct to fight back, usually. And even if you have hammered it into them over and over to fight and scream, they are not always going to remember that, especially if a perp tells them "make a move or a sound and I'll kill you." Fear is a strong emotion and will dominate a person's mind at the moment of danger, causing them to do the exact opposite of what they've been taught.

I am a 'freezer'. Even as a kid. When faced with something I can not understand or some type of fear, I freeze. It feels like minutes but probably seconds while my brain tries to make sense of whatever is going on. I would not have been able to scream or fight back immediately. My daughter on the hand would have screamed bloody murder and fought back. She goes in to overdrive immediately.

And Jessica seems to be such a quiet, sweet girl. She may have not been able to fight back initially.

Kelly
 
It wouldn't shock me in the least if the perp is reading here. And gloating...

JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.

I wouldn't be surprised at all; kinda' do believe may also be posting. Don't know too many young people (those under 40) that don't live their lives on the web.
 
I live north of Denver. We had a couch delivered a few weeks ago. while they were bringing in the last piece, I was in the room with them and my DD and I got a major rush of fear adrenaline, so I moved myself and DD out of the room closer to the door and made sure they could not block the door.

They deliver from Denver so are prob Denver area residents. They were young - 20's. not too bright either. what made me nervous at first was they spent a long time talking outside at the van before bringing in the last piece. I was suspicious of what they were talking about, and it was after they came back in that I got that visceral fear adrenaline. I don't think I talked myself into it. It was not from a thought, it was a physical reaction.

I don't know if that's worth calling in.
 
I did a map last night marking the three points that we know: home, backpack, and remains. I then used the line connecting home and the backpack as a mirror line, and mirrored the triangular shape across that line. The point I came up with is Broomfield.

BBM

Thanks, otto. That's a very interesting POINT.
 
Hello everyone! This is my first post on the JR thread but I've been a lurker since the very first thread, and a longtime websleuths lurker before that because my mom is a registered user here. I just wanted to drop in and say hello :seeya:

Anyways, I can't help but wonder what made Jessica go along with the perp as we discuss ways to stay vigilant against an abduction. My only conclusion is that she must've at least distantly known this person... just enough to give them the benefit of the doubt. IMO she seemed like a bright, caring girl and whoever it was surely took advantage of her "helper" attitude. What are y'all's thoughts on the matter.. do you think she trusted her abductor (even if only slightly) or do you think he used force to take her? I think getting to the bottom of this could really help shed some light on just how "local" this really was to her.


:welcome: Ballerina! :skip:
 
I dont know that the general public could ever be instructed on weeding these people out other than to trust nobody and your instinct. It seems we know from some of the prolific serial killers they seem to have a nack for weeding out easy prey. Not saying it happened here. I was watching an episode of Criminal Minds where a perp was sitting watching people on a bench and telling a boy he had kidnapped how he picked Victims. Body language. Not paying attention to their surroundings etc. etc. Again not saying the case here but bouncing off a post upthread.
 
Long time lurker, first time poster. I used to live in Jessica's neighborhood about 11 years ago. It is nice and you'd never think something like this would happen. Just to note that it is very accessible to a lot of commercial establishments on Wadsworth, including a Bally's Fitness Club. This club had a huge traffic of morning workout fanatics. Maybe too obvious that the killer worked out in the morning and then drove about 2 minutes over to where Jessica was. I'm sure LE has looked into this, but it was just an odd angle I thought of just from having lived there.
 
Nursebeeme, I saw Shasta on Nancy Grace, also discussing the case. I have wondered about Shasta over the years, how she was coping with the horrific experience she went through. I was thrilled to see a well-spoken, articulate 15-year-old who is planning her future; she even skipped a grade! She also did an excellent job of fielding NG's extremely personal questions ("Do you relive the experience? Do you feel Dylan's spirit around you? How do you think Jessica felt when she was taken?" ad nauseum, grrrr...) She brought tears to my eyes, especially when NG showed an old video clip from the kidnapping, the one where poor little Shasta is walking around that convenience store with her arms tightly wrapped around herself, with shock and fear in her eyes and that Joseph Duncan right behind her (Dylan had already been murdered by Duncan by then, and he had forced her to watch and to bury him...*sigh*). I hope little Jessica is safe in the arms of God and I pray that this evil killer is found!!
 
Thanks all for the warm welcome :blowkiss:

I'm right there with you, tlcox. I think she knew her abductor only to an extent that she felt comfortable enough to approach him. I feel like if this man were a complete stranger, SOMEONE would've heard her screaming or crying for help. She knew him enough to make it a "silent" abduction, IMO- unless the witness LE has also heard her screaming or something from a bit away and they are keeping it hush-hush for the sake of the investigation.

Interesting point about Broomfield, Otto. Thanks for all your maps and hard work!
 
So pleased Shasta seems to be doing so well. What a strong young lady. I'm in awe.
 
As I mentioned yesterday, I'm really bothered by the forest fire in the Estes Park area that was started on Tuesday the 9th and think it may be connected.

Estes Park is such a beautiful place ... vacationed there several years ago. Definitely a sleepy town vibe, people are very friendly, but generally keep to themselves. Also do to the terrain (lots of steep hills and valleys), and the layout of the town and surrounding area, it'd be easy to be up to no good and nobody would ever know about it.
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all; kinda' do believe may also be posting. Don't know too many young people (those under 40) that don't live their lives on the web.

I was under the same impression. This is probably watching every coverage of his sick act as he possibly can.. which is why he needs to be put away and KEPT THERE for a long time, so the only thing he can watch is the skin on his hands as they deteriorate and wrinkle with age. Or they can send him over here to TX... we will gladly execute his sorry butt in a swift and timely fashion :yesss:
 
I pray LE has some good working clues and/or evidence to nail this guy ASAP. I worry about it taking another Victim to solve this. As much as i hate typing this. It keeps popping into my head :please:
 
Thanks all for the warm welcome :blowkiss:
SOMEONE would've heard her screaming or crying for help. She knew him enough to make it a "silent" abduction, IMO- unless the witness LE has also heard her screaming or something from a bit away and they are keeping it hush-hush for the sake of the investigation.

Unless of course, he used the lost puppy ruse. This is purely speculative, but ... my gut is that he could have said something like, "I have a photo of my dog right here in the car right on the dash ... but I hurt my arm and can't reach it, could you grab it for me?", or "You look really smart and mature for your age, maybe you could help me find the elementary school? I'm a teacher and this is my first day, I just moved here and I'm lost." First scenario would play on her love of dogs, second would take advantage of her wanting to be grown up.

He may have had chloroform, a stun gun, or used brute force (think Ted Bundy, he would just knock his victims out before they ever knew what happened). IMO, it is highly likely he is a stranger.
 
I've thought this myself and posted something about it the other day. My working assumption is that the perp grabbed her at or near her home, took her somewhere nearby to do whatever he was going to do and then dumped the remains first and then the backpack later on his way out of town. If you look at a map to get from the abduction site to where the remains were dumped you would most likely go west on 100th Ave to CO Rt 5 (Indiana St) and then South on Indiana to 82nd Ave and then west on 82nd to where the body was found. Assuming the next step was to dump the backpack. Back to Indiana and North to 120th and then a slight jog west and then north on McCaslin to Christenson Ave and then a quick right on Andrew Way and drop the backpack. Turn around back to McCaslin and then North to Highway 36. My assumption is that he then went west on 36th through Boulder and up into the mountains near Estes Park to hide out for awhile. As I mentioned yesterday, I'm really bothered by the forest fire in the Estes Park area that was started on Tuesday the 9th and think it may be connected.

I've driven that route and looked for cameras. As far as I can tell there is only one and that is a traffic camera at the intersection of 86th and Indiana. If you do a google street view and zoom in you can clearly see them at the top of the lights at that intersection. If my theory is correct though, the vehicle would have had to pass that intersection at least twice and possibly three times on the route that I described. There is almost no other route that wouldn't take you significantly more time. So, if you look at the time window between 8:30am on Friday and say midnight on Saturday night assuming LE has that video feed you should be able to identify a set of vehicles that could possibly be involved. It's probably not a small number, but also not likely to be a huge number either -- maybe 100 or so if I had to guess.

I also think this path suggests that the despite the suggestions of others, that the backpack drop site was random and doesn't have some other meaning. Clearly he intended it to be found, but likely wanted it far enough away from the body that it wouldn't be found too quickly and far enough away from him to give him time to get away. If you follow my path, you will see that the right on Christenson from McCaslin is literally the second place you can turn right from the site of the body where there is really any kind of humanity at all and also the last right before you get to the highway that isn't a larger street or commercial. And the house it was dropped in front of is the first house that doesn't have windows facing the street.

As for the backpack being a distraction it worked. Immediately the search area was changed to the North and in fact the few days before the body were found were spent searching the open areas to the West of McCaslin bordered by 36th to the North and 120th to the South. Basically due North of the location of the body.

Map: http://goo.gl/maps/M6XJD

Cameras: http://goo.gl/maps/JTSNm

That is a gret thought about analyzing those camera shots for cars. Please do share this tip with LE if you can. I sometimes think they would miss something like this.

This is well thought out plan of action that could really help.
 
I, too, still think of Shasta Groene and her family. The trauma she endured is unthinkable. Thank you for posting the interview with Shasta. I'm amazed at her strength and courage and hope her life is nothing but blue skies from now on.
 
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