CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

Some questions I wish I could ask LE and PF:

1)Did PF borrow or rent any earth digging equipment in the last few months. Should check w/ extended family who owns this type
equipment.

2) Did PF get KB and baby a Christmas gift last year? What was it?

3) Did PF get KB and baby a birthday present in last year? What was it?

4) On average how many hours per week did PF babysit?
How many hours per week did his momma babysit?

5) PF- how much money have you contributed towards baby's
upkeep, food, clothes, etc. in past year?

And to KB's parents. Why were you 'skeptical' of PF when you first met him?
And why did her dad call him an "Odd Duck"? What was strange about him?

I'll think of more.....

Someone on the previous thread stated that the ground is getting hard due to the colder weather. I wonder how hard it might have been to dig with a standard shovel on Nov. 22? He could have thrown her over a cliff or into a body of water if that was easier, but then there's that big hole on his property which indicates to me that the K9s alerted there. MOO and I could be totally wrong.

 

[MsBetsy]

Oh no. Mine didn't either! Send help!

I'm still searching under the tree for my gift!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Another thought. Since they didn't live together, there were two households. If PF wanted to take the baby to get a tree (for the fun experience for her), he could have done so by getting a tree for his own household, and KB didn't need to hold off on getting one for her home.

Might mean nothing, but it makes the comment by mom about the tree a bit less believable, IMO.

I don't find her unbelievable. I see her as doing her best, to find her daughter, and not upset the delicate balance of a little ones destiny.
Imo

 

[tictoc]

Florissant November Weather 2018 - AccuWeather Forecast for CO 80816
That's actually an interesting question, temp and est. ground temp Nov. 22 2018
Looks pretty 'warm."

 

[NervousNellie]

Someone on the previous thread stated that the ground is getting hard due to the colder weather. I wonder how hard it might have been to dig with a standard shovel on Nov. 22? He could have thrown her over a cliff or into a body of water if that was easier, but then there's that big hole on his property which indicates to me that the K9s alerted there. MOO and I could be totally wrong.

Yes, they dug there for a good reason. Someone upthread suggested maybe PF rinsed something off there (that held her scent); that seems very possible to me, but I can't see him burying her that close to the house, even temporarily.

 

[Warwick7]

On December 22 TFPD issued a statement. In there they say (search warrants had already been issued, and they are still helping with "processing"). My question is: when were they issued, on which previous day?

Idaho Detectives Assist Investigation of Missing Colorado Woman

I answered my own question.

It was December 15, 2018

 

[MassGuy]

Someone on the previous thread stated that the ground is getting hard due to the colder weather. I wonder how hard it might have been to dig with a standard shovel on Nov. 22? He could have thrown her over a cliff or into a body of water if that was easier, but then there's that big hole on his property which indicates to me that the K9s alerted there. MOO and I could be totally wrong.

The thing that concerns me, is the fact that this was premeditated.

That being the case, he very well may have had a burial location or disposal method, already selected.

If one kills in a crime of passion, and decides to conceal the body, you’d be more likely to see something like an above ground dumping, or burial in a shallow grave.

He had time to plan here, so she could more difficult to find than had the opposite been true.

 

[NervousNellie]

The thing that concerns me, is the fact that this was premeditated.

That being the case, he very well may have had a burial location or disposal method, already selected.

If one kills in a crime of passion, and decides to conceal the body, you’d be more likely to see something like an above ground dumping, or burial in a shallow grave.

He had time to plan here, so she could more difficult to find than had the opposite been true.

While I know there is the solicitation charge, I'm still not convinced it happened "as planned." Given what we've heard about his temper, I think he still could have actually completed the act without much planning, if that makes sense. "Thinking about" and "planning" do not mean the same thing. I'm thinking about my vacation next year but I haven't actually done any planning (reservations, research the area, etc.). But I admit that could just be me hoping so she can be found.

 

[ColoradoLove]

How recent was it that they stated they were trying to recover the phone? I know they mentioned it several days ago but has there been mention of it since then?

They may have been referring to recovering the data from the phone? Maybe it was damaged, so it's a recovery process to get the data from it.

 

[MassGuy]

While I know there is the solicitation charge, I'm still not convinced it happened "as planned." Given what we've heard about his temper, I think he still could have actually completed the act without much planning, if that makes sense. "Thinking about" and "planning" do not mean the same thing. I'm thinking about my vacation next year but I haven't actually done any planning (reservations, research the area, etc.). But I admit that could just be me hoping so she can be found.

By the nature of the solicitation charge, he wasn’t just thinking about it, he was serious.

Now you’re right, it doesn’t mean that things went as planned, or that he necessarily intended to commit the crime on that day, and in that way.

But I think it’s far more likely than the alternative.

Even then though, there’s no guarantee that her body will not be found.

I think it’s more probable than not that they find her, but it’s close.

 

[tictoc]

Premeditated but, things got out of hand on Thanksgiving day, one thing led to another, and PF commits the crime, too soon, off script.

Now PF has to improvise, and so does "the solicited" with PF's instruction

Just me thinking out loud

 

[cody22]

If they do not find her body, what are the chances of the DA dropping the charges to a Guilty Plea of second degree murder (maximum 24 years sentence in Colorado, with your first chance of parole in 5 years) in exchange for info leading to her body's recovery ?

 

[tictoc]

...the alternative is that PF actually went there to 'take her out' that day ...and I don't mean to a ball...

 

[jewelsmac]

November 22nd - Thursday
(Thanksgiving)

• KB last seen on video surveillance shopping in Safeway (noon hour)
• KB exchanged daughter with PF (fiancé)

November 25th - Sunday

• Text from KB’s phone to her employer
• KB's phone pinged in Gooding, ID (5:13 pm)
• PF received text from KB’s phone

December 2nd - Sunday

• KB's mom called PF on KB's whereabouts
• Missing person reported - KB's mom (12:37 pm)

December 10th - Monday

• Press Conference

Woodland Park Police Department​

December 12th - Wednesday

• PF Attorney releases statement - PF is cooperating with investigators

December 13th - Thursday

• Candlelight Vigil Held for KB

December 14th - Friday

• Search Warrant Franzee Property/Residence

December 15th - Saturday

• Twin Falls law enforcement was requested to help

December 16th - Sunday

• The search of Patrick Frazee's property concludes Sunday night

December 18th - Tuesday

• Five law enforcement vehicles seen leaving PF Property
• PF and 2 others made trip to Waste Management Landfill

December 19th - Wednesday

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence

December 20th - Thursday

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence

December 21st - Friday

• Arrested- 1st Degree murder and Solicitation of Murder

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330
Archonix XJail Public​

• Press Conference 10am MST

Woodland Park Police Department​

• LE at Kelsey’s Residence
• PF - Hearing on Advisement - 3:30pm

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330​

• Vigil held for KB in Moses Lake, WA

December 22nd - Saturday

• Twin Falls, ID Police Department issued statement they are working with CBI and FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants, including processing items of possible evidence with the assistance of the Twin Falls County and Twin Falls Evidence Technicians.

December 27th - Thursday

• Temporary Custody Hearing - 1pm

Case #: D602018JV26​

December 31st - Monday

• PF - First Appearance - 9am

Inmate #: 2018001543
Booking #: 18-02029
Case #: D602018CR330​

thanks for this

 

[Peppery]

There’s been a lot of discussion about baby K’s LEGAL paternity due to her parents not being married when she was born, so I found some links. We don’t know yet if he is her LEGAL and BIOLOGICAL father because we don’t know what, if any, actions KB and PF took to establish LEGAL paternity.


FAQ-Establishing Paternity

From the above link:
“How is paternity established?
The court can legally establish paternity. A judge or other judicial officer may enter an order, which establishes paternity. The county Child Support Enforcement Unit may also establish paternity without going to court. The unmarried parents can also sign an Acknowledgment of Paternity form at the hospital when the child is born without going to court.”


Teller County Child Support Services

From the above link:
“Establishing Paternity
Establishing Paternity is the process for determining a child’s legal father. If parents are not married to each other when their child is born (and there has been no legal recognition of paternity), the child does not have a legal father. Paternity can be established either through voluntary acknowledgment or through a legal action, but fatherhood must be legally recognized in order to obtain a child support order. If the father does not admit paternity or is not sure he is the father, genetic tests may be ordered by the court.
For more detailed information regarding paternity establishment, please click on the following link.
Establishing Paternity”

Link to Colorado Acknowledgment of Paternity form:
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/si..._Acknowledgement-of-Paternity_English0916.pdf

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[MassGuy]

If they do not find her body, what are the chances of the DA dropping the charges to a Guilty Plea of second degree murder (maximum 24 years sentence in Colorado, with your first chance of parole in 5 years) in exchange for info leading to her body's recovery ?

I think it’ll come down to the strength of their case. That would be the deciding factor there.

If they think they have him dead to rights, then no, they proceed full steam ahead with murder one.

If they think they could lose, and he agrees to lead them to her body, then maybe.

 

[MsBetsy]

Good Question. Clearly my thinking was flawed when I took the home purchase as a sign she was moving on with her life! Of course, it may have been for the very reason you mentioned.

I don't think your thinking is flawed. We just don't have enough information. I'm thinking she had been having second thoughts about the relationship for awhile, and was planning on raising the baby independently from PF. But there is also the possibility that she had hopes for them getting married and being a family, and he was leading her to believe he wanted the same. Or that he did want the same. Until something happened to change his mind. Maybe whatever that something was led to feelings of anger or fear that he would lose his child, and things escalated from there.
Hopefully we will know some of these details soon.

 

[susiQ]

I hear you enelram,...I have SO MANY QUESTIONS! Patience is so annoying!!

I'd love to ask right off the bat, What DID PF DO the rest of Thanksgiving day? Where was he all day, who saw him? What did he do Friday? Did he go back to work Monday? How was his demeanor?

I'm guessing on TG at least he was doing some heavy duty cleaning. Friday possibly hiding the body.

 

[NanZDrew]

Given the information that it was still pretty warm in Woodland Park without a good covering of snow, the smart thing would be to go further north to a desolate area where the snow would be there. It really would not have required burying although a grave with falling snow would only take hours to conceal the evidence of disturbed earth. Smarter still would have been to load her in a horse trailer along with a horse and go to a road that would be little traveled and ride her body in horseback into the woods where he buries her to be covered by snow.

 

[SandyQLS]

The more I thought about the solicitation charge, the more I wonder if it is the support for the murder charge.

Even if the relationship between KB-PF had devolved into merely child exchange, it is highly probable that PF's stray fingerprints, hairs, etc. exist within KB's townhome, so that kind of general material is evidence of nothing. LE claims they have found evidence of a violent crime in the townhome suggesting she is deceased. But that does not mean there is evidence that PF is the one who physically murdered her and there would be none if another person committed the actual murder.

So the solicitation act is charged and is needed to support the murder charge. If KB were continuing as a missing person and they had not found evidence in her townhome of biological material incompatible with life (killed elsewhere), they could charge the solicitation on its own merits at any time, but the murder charge would not be supportable.