CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[katydid23]

Did she buy a house? If so would it have went to him since she has a toddler daughter with him?

But I think the house may not be in her name only. I think she put it in a trust that was in her parents names?

 

[The Farm]

I have a question about KB training Military pilots?

I always thought the military trained their own pilots as in the military and not a laymen trainer/instructor?
Plus KB had not had her license all that long.

We had a few pilots here, does anyone know that question?

 

[jaspermac]

When PF was arrested, I recall LE stated that locals would see increased LE/CBI/FBI presence in the coming days as they continue to investigate. They also stated that there was an “absolute possibility” of additional arrests …I am surprised that we haven’t seen any more arrests, nothing factual, I just have a hunch there are more than just PF involved. Anyone else wonder why no more arrests? Question for the WS regulars: are subsequent arrests in domestic related murder cases quite common?
Fiancé Of Missing Colorado Mom Kelsey Berreth Arrested In Her Disappearance | HuffPost

Not suprised. Its christmas and new years. The police have been working non-stop and they managed to get PF arrested the weekend before christmas. If there was anyone else involved, they likely aren't a serious threat to the community so they are taking their time and building a case. and having family time. They have to formally charge PF so they are probably focusing on that for monday. Or the other people maybe weren't involved, the way police were suspicious of and there will be no arrests. We will see.

 

[MsBetsy]

I hate to be cynical, but what if PF targeted KB on the online site because her parents are hay farmers? Hay is something that PF needed badly.

I'm still trying to determine what is the truth about PF and KB's current relationship. I'm afraid that I may have been thinking that she broke up with him and it could be that was disinformation being spread by PF.

I want to hear what her family and friends say about it, not what Patrick says or said because he's probably lying. It is obvious PF was spreading lies via his 2 Mile High club friend who worked w/ him during the Cripple Creek donkey days.

I only know CO from watching Olympic figure skaters who train in Steamboat Springs and Colorado Springs, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman who lived nearPike's Peak, and the Watts case.


Our local CO posters, might be able to help us gauge the possibility
of some scenarios. By looking at the Google map of Kelsey's home,
to me, if you wanted to get rid of her body quickly, wouldn't the best
route be to drive from her house into the huge forest behind her house?

Google Maps

PF or the hitman could have dumped her body anywhere all along
hwy 24 driving toward Pike's Peak.

Do we know where PF ate Thanksgiving dinner (if at all)? He and/or the hitman could have stopped at one of the cafes along hwy 24 like Crystola Roadhouse or Blue Moose Tavern if they were open. I hope that LE has asked businesses and residents along that route to check their CCTV footage.

Would Green Mountain Falls, Cascade-Chipita Park or Pike's Peak be
places where you could hide a body easily without anyone seeing you?

I get the impression that he and Kelsey had not really been "together" for quite awhile.
Maybe it was his lifestyle that initially attracted her to him. I don't know much about "ranching" but I'm assuming its a similar way of life to farming. Maybe they both loved animals.
She is described as being reserved, and shy. He doesn't seem like a very social person with lots of friends.
Kelsey's mom said she focused more on quality as opposed to quantity in her friendships. Maybe he came across that way too.
Whatever the initial attraction, I don't think it lasted that long. It was likely only a matter of time before she caught on to what he was really like.
At that point Kelsey may have just tried to make the best of the situation, and did whatever was necessary to make things work for
the benefit of the child. I doubt she ever knew what kind of monster she was actually dealing with. Imo

 

[jaspermac]

I have a question about KB training Military pilots?

I always thought the military trained their own pilots as in the military and not a laymen trainer/instructor?
Plus KB had not had her license all that long.

We had a few pilots here, does anyone know that question?

Go to their website and they explain it under What we do? DOSS aviation

 

[enelram]

I have a question about KB training Military pilots?

I always thought the military trained their own pilots as in the military and not a laymen trainer/instructor?
Plus KB had not had her license all that long.

We had a few pilots here, does anyone know that question?

I also questioned that too. My son is former AF pilot and was
trained at AF bases by active military instructors.
But his training was back in '80's so maybe it's changed and
they are outsourcing now. IDK. Good question though.

 

[PommyMommy]

I have a question about KB training Military pilots?

I always thought the military trained their own pilots as in the military and not a laymen trainer/instructor?
Plus KB had not had her license all that long.

We had a few pilots here, does anyone know that question?

Our Services | Doss Aviation

This tradition continues today with Doss Aviation, Inc’s flight training facility in Pueblo, Colorado, with the U.S. Air Force’s Initial Flight Training (IFT) Program. The Doss-developed training facility and curriculum provides introductory flight training for all U.S. Air Force aviation candidates. The company owned and operated state-of-the-art flying training facility supports Headquarters Air Education and Training Command (HQ AETC) and is known as the “Gateway to Air Force Aviation.” Every U.S. Air Force aviator candidate, be it Pilot, Combat Systems Officer, or Remotely Piloted Aircraft pilot, receives flight instruction, Air Force aviator introduction, and candidate screening at the Pueblo facility in preparation for follow-on flight training at any of the Air Force’s Undergraduate Flight Training (UFT) locations. Visit the IFT website at www.dossifs.com for more information.

(BBM)

 

[The Farm]

Our Services | Doss Aviation
Our history as a premier flight training company began with the U.S. Army at Ft. Rucker, AL and at Ft. Stewart, GA in the early 1970’s and has continued for 21 years in support of the U.S. Air Force flight screening/training program at Hondo, TX in 1979. Our refined military-style training was expanded to the Air Force to include the complete package of aircraft maintenance and aviation logistics support services for the Air Force’s Initial Flight Screening program. We successfully operated and maintained T-41 aircraft from October 1979 to September 1993 for the U.S. Air Force at Hondo, Texas. In February 1994, we transitioned to the T-3A Firefly and the U.S. Air Force’s Enhanced Flight Screening Program (EFSP).

This tradition continues today with Doss Aviation, Inc’s flight training facility in Pueblo, Colorado, with the U.S. Air Force’s Initial Flight Training (IFT) Program. The Doss-developed training facility and curriculum provides introductory flight training for all U.S. Air Force aviation candidates. The company owned and operated state-of-the-art flying training facility supports Headquarters Air Education and Training Command (HQ AETC) and is known as the “Gateway to Air Force Aviation.” Every U.S. Air Force aviator candidate, be it Pilot, Combat Systems Officer, or Remotely Piloted Aircraft pilot, receives flight instruction, Air Force aviator introduction, and candidate screening at the Pueblo facility in preparation for follow-on flight training at any of the Air Force’s Undergraduate Flight Training (UFT) locations. Visit the IFT website at www.dossifs.com for more information.

Ok so IFT which would be like an introduction course then if I understand that correctly. Then they must continue on into a more in depth military training within the military.
I would think because those aircraft are not your normal aircraft. That is my take on this if I have it right.
Thanks Pommy.

 

[susiQ]

Ding ding ding! Obviously, we can't state things as fact on this forum but I highly suspect that this theory/idea will be reported on with in the week.

I have no doubt!

 

[mtnlites]

Kelsey's parents are retired hay farmers and even if they were still in the business, I can't see them making an 18-hour drive to bring PF some hay for his horses.

I don't think we've heard if PF had Thanksgiving dinner anywhere but it doesn't seem likely to me - I think he was preoccupied with other things that day.

MOO

Agree about the hay. It's like firewood. We are always in need of hay for our horses, but transporting it 18 hours would cost almost as much as a double load. Definitely not worth it.

 

[Charlot123]

SW was suspicious about CW having another women in his life. Wonder if KB had similar suspicions?

If KB started having suspicions, this could very well prompt her to start looking for another job and a move. KB bought a house to provide her child a normal life with both parents, but if the father was frolicking around, this would be not something KB, or any other mom, would want her growing baby to see.

 

[The Farm]

They have beautiful hay in Colorado, some of the nicest hay I have ever seen. There would be no need to go out of state.

 

[Inthedetails]

Do we know that they met on a dating site? Maybe I missed this, but I keep seeing it mentioned and IIRC, it was just reported that they met online. ?
MOO

Good point. You can meet people online without being on a dating site. SW and CW met online, but not through a dating site. I don't think it's been mentioned how exactly they met online, has it?

(WSers could potentially meet up romantically!)

jmo

 

[susiQ]

Do you think another arrest is coming or just the rumor will be substantiated opening up a motive?

I've suspected this all along. And although I wouldn't stake my life on it, I almost would

 

[mustloveco]

I hate to be cynical, but what if PF targeted KB on the online site because her parents are hay farmers? Hay is something that PF needed badly.

I'm still trying to determine what is the truth about PF and KB's current relationship. I'm afraid that I may have been thinking that she broke up with him and it could be that was disinformation being spread by PF.

I want to hear what her family and friends say about it, not what Patrick says or said because he's probably lying. It is obvious PF was spreading lies via his 2 Mile High club friend who worked w/ him during the Cripple Creek donkey days.

I only know CO from watching Olympic figure skaters who train in Steamboat Springs and Colorado Springs, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman who lived nearPike's Peak, and the Watts case.


Our local CO posters, might be able to help us gauge the possibility
of some scenarios. By looking at the Google map of Kelsey's home,
to me, if you wanted to get rid of her body quickly, wouldn't the best
route be to drive from her house into the huge forest behind her house?

Google Maps

PF or the hitman could have dumped her body anywhere all along
hwy 24 driving toward Pike's Peak.

Do we know where PF ate Thanksgiving dinner (if at all)? He and/or the hitman could have stopped at one of the cafes along hwy 24 like Crystola Roadhouse or Blue Moose Tavern if they were open. I hope that LE has asked businesses and residents along that route to check their CCTV footage.

Would Green Mountain Falls, Cascade-Chipita Park or Pike's Peak be
places where you could hide a body easily without anyone seeing you?

The road is closed (winter) and you have to pay to drive up it now (to pikes peak). I don't think u can just drive up it now, you have to get a tour (new rule since cog railroad closed last year). A lot of dead bodies end up on Rampart Range road between here and the Springs. Lots of riff raff on that road. Also, lots of hiking. There's plenty of forest near Frazee home in Florissant and north , more pike ntl forest.

 

[retiredrickyinCO]

I think that if one of them was willing to move in order to pursue new opportunities, it was Kelsey.

The nature of her job would have allowed for this, as there are airports everywhere.

She could have moved back to Washington, and enjoyed much of the same success that she had in Colorado.

Hell, she had already moved a great distance already, simply to further a relationship with someone she apparently met online.

PF, not so much.

His roots seem to run deep in the area, and ranchers don’t enjoy the same mobility that people in other careers do.

I also don’t think he would have moved, even if he could.

For whatever reason, Kelsey was in the way.

Probably custody related.

I agree Massguy...
It seems Kelsey put a lot into making this relationship work. After all it was her that packed up and moved a long ways to be with PF leaving her family behind. It was her that had a job with a decent income and was her that commuted probably close to 2 hours each way, sometimes longer, each day for her job. Meanwhile he is at home doing whatever, his mother mostly the one watching baby K while he is off enjoying free time during the day doing what he wants. I just think he would have been able to do a better job in meeting her partway for the sake of the relationship. From the little I know is she sacrificed so much more than him and look at how he rewarded her. Just evil. MOO

 

[enelram]

Ok so IFT which would be like an introduction course then if I understand that correctly. Then they must continue on into a more in depth military training within the military.
I would think because those aircraft are not your normal aircraft. That is my take on this if I have it right.
Thanks Pommy.

They also have a introductory program "Private Pilot Training"
for civilians. See tab at top of their site. She probably would
have been qualified for this program.

 

[mustloveco]

They have beautiful hay in Colorado, some of the nicest hay I have ever seen. There would be no need to go out of state.

But it's not cheap

 

[heartgoesout]

I've suspected this all along. And although I wouldn't stake my life on it, I almost would

I'm not so sure about an arrest, but I'm thinking a motive will emerge.

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm not so sure about an arrest, but I'm thinking a motive will emerge.

Then again my next thought is now a days nothing would surprise me. It would just be so sad to see two people thought this was the answer.