CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

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I hate to be cynical, but what if PF targeted KB on the online site because her parents are hay farmers? Hay is something that PF needed badly.

I'm still trying to determine what is the truth about PF and KB's current relationship. I'm afraid that I may have been thinking that she broke up with him and it could be that was disinformation being spread by PF.

I want to hear what her family and friends say about it, not what Patrick says or said because he's probably lying. It is obvious PF was spreading lies via his 2 Mile High club friend who worked w/ him during the Cripple Creek donkey days.

I only know CO from watching Olympic figure skaters who train in Steamboat Springs and Colorado Springs, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman who lived nearPike's Peak, and the Watts case.


Our local CO posters, might be able to help us gauge the possibility
of some scenarios. By looking at the Google map of Kelsey's home,
to me, if you wanted to get rid of her body quickly, wouldn't the best
route be to drive from her house into the huge forest behind her house?

Google Maps

PF or the hitman could have dumped her body anywhere all along
hwy 24 driving toward Pike's Peak.

Do we know where PF ate Thanksgiving dinner (if at all)? He and/or the hitman could have stopped at one of the cafes along hwy 24 like Crystola Roadhouse or Blue Moose Tavern if they were open. I hope that LE has asked businesses and residents along that route to check their CCTV footage.

Would Green Mountain Falls, Cascade-Chipita Park or Pike's Peak be
places where you could hide a body easily without anyone seeing you?
 
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enelram said:
Yes, I think when PF went to see her initially, he sniffed family
money. Another factor that made her a 'good catch'.
these type guys are always looking for easy ways to raise their
status in life without really earning it.
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Are we related? LOL

Most recent ex narc in my life, is who motivated me to really make the effort to learn about them. His MO was hooking up with women who, by some means, could elevate his standing. Horrid man. Deserves hell, but the Christian in me hopes he sees the light someday.
 
Nudgee said:
I’m not convinced PF was ever scheduled to pick up his daughter on Thanksgiving...I just think it’s something he said to LE as to why he was at her home that day...even more so after reading the following article. Seems to me if KB worked so much & PF was considered the primary caregiver, then KB would have arranged to have the holiday weekend off from work and time with her daughter. Add to that the trip to Safeway that morning doesn’t sit well w/me either. If KB was expecting company on Thanksgiving I would think she would have been prepared ahead. Then the call w/her Mom for a recipe (don’t know if that was for cinnamon rolls, or another food recipe)... I’m still going w/she got a call Thanksgiving morning from PF that he (& maybe someone else as well) were going to be coming over to see her and Baby K so she decided to make some food.

Feel free to help me off the fence w/my thinking....

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I don't think she was planning on him picking up the baby that day either. There was no court order of scheduled visitation, so we have no way of knowing. He could say anything and there is no way anyone else would know if it was true or not.
I do not think she was having company. I think she made the cinnamon rolls for herself and the baby. I don't think that was the recipe she asked her mom for. Homemade cinnamon buns are usually called "buns" and the Pillsbury ones you buy in the store are called "rolls."
I do think she may have been misled to believe she was doing something with Frazee for dinner that night.
But it could also be that she was not expecting him at all, and he just showed up to take the baby.
I wonder if he removed the child and then someone came in and committed the crime or if he did it himself.
For some reason they seem to think she was killed on that day. Imo
 
The Saint said:
I hate to be cynical, but what if PF targeted KB on the online site because her parents are hay farmers? Hay is something that PF needed badly.

I'm still trying to determine what is the truth about PF and KB's current relationship. I'm afraid that I may have been thinking that she broke up with him and it could be that was disinformation being spread by PF.

I want to hear what her family and friends say about it, not what Patrick says or said because he's probably lying. It is obvious PF was spreading lies via his 2 Mile High club friend who worked w/ him during the Cripple Creek donkey days.

I only know CO from watching Olympic figure skaters who train in Steamboat Springs and Colorado Springs, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman who lived nearPike's Peak, and the Watts case.


Our local CO posters, might be able to help us gauge the possibility
of some scenarios. By looking at the Google map of Kelsey's home,
to me, if you wanted to get rid of her body quickly, wouldn't the best
route be to drive from her house into the huge forest behind her house?

Google Maps

PF or the hitman could have dumped her body anywhere all along
hwy 24 driving toward Pike's Peak.

Do we know where PF ate Thanksgiving dinner (if at all)? He and/or the hitman could have stopped at one of the cafes along hwy 24 like Crystola Roadhouse or Blue Moose Tavern if they were open. I hope that LE has asked businesses and residents along that route to check their CCTV footage.

Would Green Mountain Falls, Cascade-Chipta Park or Pike's Peak be
places where you could hide a body easily without anyone seeing you?
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Kelsey's parents are retired hay farmers and even if they were still in the business, I can't see them making an 18-hour drive to bring PF some hay for his horses.

I don't think we've heard if PF had Thanksgiving dinner anywhere but it doesn't seem likely to me - I think he was preoccupied with other things that day.

MOO
 
The Saint said:
I hate to be cynical, but what if PF targeted KB on the online site because her parents are hay farmers? Hay is something that PF needed badly.

I'm still trying to determine what is the truth about PF and KB's current relationship. I'm afraid that I may have been thinking that she broke up with him and it could be that was disinformation being spread by PF.

I want to hear what her family and friends say about it, not what Patrick says or said because he's probably lying. It is obvious PF was spreading lies via his 2 Mile High club friend who worked w/ him during the Cripple Creek donkey days.

I only know CO from watching Olympic figure skaters who train in Steamboat Springs and Colorado Springs, Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman who lived nearPike's Peak, and the Watts case.


Our local CO posters, might be able to help us gauge the possibility
of some scenarios. By looking at the Google map of Kelsey's home,
to me, if you wanted to get rid of her body quickly, wouldn't the best
route be to drive from her house into the huge forest behind her house?

Google Maps

PF or the hitman could have dumped her body anywhere all along
hwy 24 driving toward Pike's Peak.

Do we know where PF ate Thanksgiving dinner (if at all)? He and/or the hitman could have stopped at one of the cafes along hwy 24 like Crystola Roadhouse or Blue Moose Tavern if they were open. I hope that LE has asked businesses and residents along that route to check their CCTV footage.

Would Green Mountain Falls, Cascade-Chipta Park or Pike's Peak be
places where you could hide a body easily without anyone seeing you?
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Never hired a hitman but assume they are only hired to do their job and then they are gone , body disposal most likely is not in their line of work.
 
Trudie said:
I was just thinking “will PF ever talk”, I don’t think so. I think he’s going to be like Scott P., never confess, accept the punishment handed down, if there is one.
Things are very dif’, for example consider SP & CW. CW is a confessed killer. SP is a “wrongly convicted death row inmate” , to those on the inside.
PF, like SP, is very confident a body will never be found.
IMO, he thinks he will not be convicted, just as SP thought.

I wanted to mention the visit to the waste facility. Was he “playing” cat & mouse with LE?
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BBM

In PF's case, not only to those on the inside. He has a child, who one day will be a teenager. And as long as there is a shred of doubt, any hint at wronful conviction, he will not hesitate to use it.
 
Nudgee said:
I’m not convinced PF was ever scheduled to pick up his daughter on Thanksgiving...I just think it’s something he said to LE as to why he was at her home that day...even more so after reading the following article. Seems to me if KB worked so much & PF was considered the primary caregiver, then KB would have arranged to have the holiday weekend off from work and time with her daughter. Add to that the trip to Safeway that morning doesn’t sit well w/me either. If KB was expecting company on Thanksgiving I would think she would have been prepared ahead. Then the call w/her Mom for a recipe (don’t know if that was for cinnamon rolls, or another food recipe)... I’m still going w/she got a call Thanksgiving morning from PF that he (& maybe someone else as well) were going to be coming over to see her and Baby K so she decided to make some food.

Feel free to help me off the fence w/my thinking....

Day Before He Was Arrested in Case of Missing Fiancée, What Colorado Dad Told a Client
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I agree that PF used 'picking up the child', to cover his tracks for being there on TG.
Kelsey worked long hours, and having these days off, she would want to have her daughter.
She had spoken to her mother, and if Kelsey's daughter was to go with PF, this would be mentioned.
I believe CB's account of the last phone call with Kelsey, will clear these points.
Shopping, indicates to me Kelsey required fresh food, or ingredients for this recipe as discussed with CB.
Perhaps PF came over, uninvited, and things escalated from there.
MOO.
 
Vandalay Industries said:
Thank you. I am glad I posted. As I said, I tried researching the most common motions filed, and just could not find any data. Thank you again for helping with that. Looking at the motions filed in "lump sums" I kinda figured, but the repeated mention of military threw me off.

Again, thank you.. I had not followed the CW case. Actually looked it up after seeing reference to it so many times with this one.
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Welcome! If you are planning on reading up on the Watts case, you will need to have a lot of free time. (Like two months) It's really rare to have that much information available! It is really helpful to understand what goes on behind the scenes in a case like this. Jmo
 
ttg1 said:
Ding ding ding! Obviously, we can't state things as fact on this forum but I highly suspect that this theory/idea will be reported on with in the week.
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Do you think another arrest is coming or just the rumor will be substantiated opening up a motive?
 
When PF was arrested, I recall LE stated that locals would see increased LE/CBI/FBI presence in the coming days as they continue to investigate. They also stated that there was an “absolute possibility” of additional arrests …I am surprised that we haven’t seen any more arrests, nothing factual, I just have a hunch there are more than just PF involved. Anyone else wonder why no more arrests? Question for the WS regulars: are subsequent arrests in domestic related murder cases quite common? Proactively adding link from awhile ago where LE references possible future arrests:
Fiancé Of Missing Colorado Mom Kelsey Berreth Arrested In Her Disappearance | HuffPost
 
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