CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[tmar]

Do we know for sure the rolls were not eaten at all? Maybe PF started eating one and put it back down in the pan and his DNA is on it?

This is how the suspect's DNA was picked up, in a murder recently with pizza, in the Savopoulos case.

 

[BRRI]

OK...here's where my rambling brain is going with all of this...

~ appears PF started this evil mission on Sept 01, 2018 so it took some time.

~PF talks to someone about this and person declines to commit the crime. I also believe this could very well be the person "cooperating with LE" which led LE to the arrest of PF & the solicitation charge/s, which is why said person has not been charged yet/if ever.

~IF so, PF may have discussed with this first "solicited"person about making it look like a robbery gone bad and figured this may have been stated to the next person solicited (I'm trying to figure out how LE has thrown in the felony murder charge and the solicitation charge/s).

~since the original person declined his offer, PF found a second person. First solicited person doesn't know who second solicited person is so can't name him/her but knows enough to lead LE in the direction the charges/case are going. ( I think this is very likely)

~Finally, I think it is entirely possible that PF really does not know where KB's body is or exactly what happened that Thanksgiving day in her townhouse. If PF really did hire a hit man, a PROFESSIONAL one at that, PF may not even know who killed KB....there could have been an agreement where the hit man was paid upfront, prior to, by a party acting between PF and the hit man, and the deal involved ABSOLUTELY NO FURTHER COMMUNICATION after payment. I don't think a professional hit man would even want to know the parties involved. Too much of a risk in the person hiring them breaking down. PF seems determined enough to take the risk of making payment upfront to someone unknown to him and would know in due time if paid hit man had indeed committed the crime.

I'm going with a professional hit man. The Dalia Dippolito case was local where I live...my husband was called for jury duty in that case (not picked, fortunately). She hired a hit man to kill her husband, thankfully LE did an undercover operation once notified, and her then husband is alive now and she is in jail. I wish whoever is talking to LE now, talked earlier and KB would still be alive :-(

This case is too bizarre, tight lipped, and a reach out of all possible charges on LE's behalf to make sure they get justice for KB and family. While LE they may never know who actually killed KB or what exactly happened, they are going to be darn sure to hold PF responsible for her murder. Thank Goodness for all the LE departments involved.

Warned you my brain was rambling .....This is so incredibly sad.....between the CW case and now this one.... I think I should go back to my younger years and just start reading romance novels again. Safe and Happy New Year to everyone!

It’s not easy to hire a professional hit man. I don’t think PF would have enough criminal knowledge to get that deep into it, personally. I think if he tried to hire a professional, he would have been caught. Also not sure he would have had the money required for a true hit man.

 

[BRRI]

This isn’t your standard domestic homicide, one that typically involves just two people, victim and killer.

In a case like that, the suspect would typically be privy to a lot of information at this stage. He would know what LE has on him.

PF apparently reached out to atleast one person here, although I suspect there are more.

The web may be a bit convoluted at this stage, and it will take time to develop some clarity.

They can’t jeopardize their ongoing investigation, and allow him to reach out to witnesses or potential accomplices.

They’re playing it safe.

But, he would know who those witnesses are, more than likely. He wouldn’t need that info from LE/DA because he would know who is involved and who to reach out to. If they are truly protecting someone, I don’t think it’s from PF. It would probably be from an accomplice. They can monitor any communications PF has with a member of the public, so it just doesn’t seem like too big of a threat. Safety has to be dealing with two people still on the outside, IMO. Maybe a second killer?

 

[MassGuy]

It’s not easy to hire a professional hit man. I don’t think PF would have enough criminal knowledge to get that deep into it, personally. I think if he tried to hire a professional, he would have been caught. Also not sure he would have had the money required for a true hit man.

When people attempt to hire someone to commit murder on their behalf, they generally reach out to people who are fairly close to them.

It rarely ends well for the person doing the hiring.

 

[riolove77]

Thank you, Rio. Did you see this article?

Patrick Frazee may have killed Kelsey Berreth during attempted robbery; multiple solicitation charges could mean additional people were involved in alleged murder
In a news conference following a hearing to present Patrick Frazee with formal charges in the murder case against Kelsey Berreth, who has been missing since Thanksgiving.

As CrimeOnline previously reported, Frazee was formally charged with five counts on Monday morning: Two counts of first-degree murder and three counts of solicitation of first-degree murder. Teller County District Attorney Dan May explained the multiple charges at a news conference following the hearing, pointing out that the two counts of first-degree murder were based on evidence supporting two theories; that Frazee premeditated the murder of his fiancee and mother of his 1-year-old daughter, and that Frazee killed Berreth during an attempted robbery, also premeditated.

In response to reporter questions about the three separate solicitation charges, May said he could not publicly identify any individuals associated with those charges, but said they were not based on separate theories. May said the three charges were “self-evident,” insinuating but not explicitly stating that they may refer to more than one person Frazee allegedly solicited in a conspiracy to murder Berreth, who has not been seen since Thanksgiving Day. At minimum, the charges appear to reference three separate incidents of solicitation although the number of individuals involved is not clear.

I got a chuckle out of you calling me Rio, cause my username is based off my dogs name

I did see that. I’m of the opinion (and I could be wrong) that the murder was premeditated regardless of which charge they ultimately get a conviction on. If it’s FM, just so happens there was a robbery too.

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

Why are there three solicitation to murder charges? Did he ask THREE DIFFERENT people to kill her?

 

[BRRI]

When people attempt to hire someone to commit murder on their behalf, they generally reach out to people who are fairly close to them.

It rarely ends well for the person doing the hiring.

Agree. I don’t believe it’s a “true” professional hit man situation.

 

[BRRI]

Why are there three solicitation to murder charges? Did he ask THREE, DIFFERENT people to kill her?

No, it doesn’t have to be. Three different instances, as far as I know.

 

[riolove77]

Rio, can you clear this up, please?

If you are representing PF, would you ask him if he murdered K?
Or, if he confessed, can you still attempt to prove his innocence?

Tysm!

As a lawyer you wanna know EVERYTHINGGGG about your client. I’m a DA so I’m on the other side of the aisle and have no reason to avoid knowledge of certain things...but you cannot be dishonest with the court. It could have dire ramifications, up to and including disbarment. I do not believe Casey Anthony’s attorney didn’t know she committed the murder of her daughter. I don’t think CA told him she did. But it is in your clients best interest that you know the truth and strategize that way. Playing ignorant is never wise...

 

[Peppery]

What is the point of protecting the witness/solicitee identity from PF? He already knows who he solicited!! It’s not going to surprise him. The only thing I can think of is there is more than one and he doesn’t know which one might be talking? Would he care who it was or would he just try to do something to everyone he knows he involved?

 

[katydid23]

Wonder if he's already tried or threatened them.

It's possible that he forced someone, through threats and intimidation, to take the phone to Idaho and send the texts.

 

[v0x]

New document filed.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/Redacted C&I 18CR330.pdf

Colorado Judicial Branch

 

[Trudie]

This is how the suspect's DNA was picked up, in a murder recently with pizza, in the Savopoulos case.

I wonder if the food product has molded if it damages the dna?

 

[BRRI]

As a lawyer you wanna know EVERYTHINGGGG about your client. I’m a DA so I’m on the other side of the aisle and have no reason to avoid knowledge of certain things...but you cannot be dishonest with the court. It could have dire ramifications, up to and including disbarment. I do not believe Casey Anthony’s attorney didn’t know she committed the murder of her daughter. I don’t think CA told him she did. But it is in your clients best interest that you know the truth and strategize that way. Playing ignorant is never wise...

So, in a general sense, would a defense attorney try to avoid directly asking if their client did what they were accused of doing?

 

[riolove77]

Rio, could they charge him with three separate charges of solicitation if he were only soliciting one person but meeting with that person on separate occasions?

Yes.

 

[MassGuy]

@riolove77

If you’ve answered this already, I missed it.

The secrecy here in regards to the suspect and his attorney being privy to the arrest affidavit, what’s your opinion on this?

Unusual?

 

[riolove77]

The lawyer isn't on trial. In other words, it's unlikely he'd be called to the witness stand and I'd be completely shocked if Patrick ever gets put on the stand.

I agree that PF likely won't testify if this goes to trial. However, the lawyer doesn't have to be on trial to be required not to lie. We absolutely cannot tell an untruth. Decorum and honesty with the court and opposing counsel is an ethical requirement.

 

[cody22]

The thing is no one else referred to a clue except that one article. LE never said “there was a clue in the baked good.” It was just how that one article phrased it. I think they were just being clever with their wording.

“A possible clue in a baked good” = cinnamon rolls were left on the counter, IMO.

I do hope no one poisoned the cinnamon rolls.

 

[missy1974]

DA May said robbery specifically in the media PC.

so I have just listened to the whole press conference again, and now I'm not so sure that he was being that specific lol He makes it very clear that he will NOT be discussing any details about the case and talks in general terms. I am unclear on whether he was being specific now or if he was also giving an example. I wish a reporter would have asked!!!!

 

[Love Never Fails]

What is the point of protecting the witness/solicitee identity from PF? He already knows who he solicited!! It’s not going to surprise him. The only thing I can think of is there is more than one and he doesn’t know which one might be talking? Would he care who it was or would he just try to do something to everyone he knows he involved?

It is possible he tried to solicit three different people. And he cannot do anything to anyone from jail. But he has family and friends who might.
JMO. The DA believes the witnesses are in jeopardy. We don’t know anything yet.