CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #26 *ARREST*

[InvSmith]

Imo, KB would be the kidnap victim.
She may have been mortally wounded in her home but could have
been forcefully taken away.

This is a great point and another charge. She is obviously kidnapped.

 

[Mimi in London]

is the rodeo scene clicky??
if so KB not fitting in could likely be a huge issue for PF.

imo I imagine he was quite happy to keep KB apart from rodeo-life.

 

[InvSmith]

But what did the phony text to PF that was meant to look like it came from KB say?

LE indicated they said she was going to see family for the week due to a family member not doing well. Her family was not aware of any of this. The family member is in Washington.

 

[zecats]

Many places dont use physical timecards anymore

There are medical time documentation programs that rely on log-ons and log=offs that are much easier to document and measure attendance. The h0spital could provide them easilty by scanned documents to LE so LE would not need to be at the hospital

Or as simple as signing in and out each day. As a high school teacher, that's all I had to do. Now that I retired and just sub, I do have to log in digitally each day. And out.

In any case, there is definitely a record of her work times.

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM
I get that baby K is his child as well, but if he forcibly takes her from the mother that could still be parental abduction, see Amber Alerts all the time about that.

ETA: Delete post within a post

It might be hard to prove that he took the child by force. Since there was no court order to prove that was not his visitation time there would be no document to back that up. I can't imagine an Amber Alert being issued in that type of situation. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

This goes back to the birth certificate which we do not know... I keep seeing the her last name as B.

Yes, but the fathers name would have also been on the birth certificate. There has never been an issue that he is not the birth father. Imo

 

[InvSmith]

It is their mental makeup that makes a killer.

Yes. I investigate for example physician that lie about treating and covering their patients and subjects in clinical trials. The completely create false data and look straight in the eye and lie. They place patients at complete risk with total disregard that are vulnerable but still think they can lie their way out. These people not only have the highest credentials, they look completely normal and walk amongst the highest level of success.

 

[SoVeryMe]

This goes back to the birth certificate which we do not know... I keep seeing the her last name as B.

I personally am not bothered by K having KB’s last name. I think it further shows that KB was likely independent and secure in who she was.....she wasn’t married so the child she gave birth to was going to have her last name.

With that said, I wonder if she had plans to marry PF aside from casually talking about it to possibly satisfy people’s questions. I also wonder if this was a point of contention for PF. I wonder what his reaction was to knowing his baby girl wasn’t going to have his last name?

MOO

 

[The Saint]

That is quite a range: from $21,153 (part timers) to $200,000 (farriers who work on race horses and show horses). In between that is $40,000 for farriers who work mainly on pleasure horses. Am I correct in assuming you think he is on the higher end close to $200,000? Can I ask why you think that he would be?

I would put PF in the lower range in my opinion based on the clients I have seen speak to the press about him. He works on the donkeys for the 2 Mile High Club in Cripple Creek which is a non-profit group and may not pay as high as other clients. We're not allowed to sleuth the individuals who spoke and said PF did farrier work for them but my impression from their interviews only is they are neighbors or former neighbors and more in the "owns one or two pleasure horses" category than the "wealthy hobby horse in show/race track" category. And that link also assumes salary for a "good farrier". We don't know that PF was a good farrier-- we only know some said they were not happy with his treatment of their animals and one said she stopped hiring him. That kind of reputation, if true, would be bad for PF's business prospects. PF might have earned more income from his dog breeding, cattle sales and rodeo competing. But it's really anyone's guess how much he made annually. MOO.

Until this case, I had never heard the term "farrier." My Southern family called someone who shoed our horses and pony a "blacksmith." CBS News has been the only one to refer to PF as being a Blacksmith. Nothing earthshattering. Maybe it's regional.

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete. I messed up the quote.

 

[Elley Mae]

Yes, but the fathers name would have also been on the birth certificate. There has never been an issue that he is not the birth father. Imo

Not in Maryland.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is a great point and another charge. She is obviously kidnapped.

Maybe because LE thinks she was killed in her home and then removed it's not considered kidnapping? Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Not in Maryland.

In Maryland the fathers name does not go on the birth certificate?

 

[MsBetsy]

I personally am not bothered by K having KB’s last name. I think it further shows that KB was likely independent and secure in who she was.....she wasn’t married so the child she gave birth to was going to have her last name.

With that said, I wonder if she had plans to marry PF aside from casually talking about it to possibly satisfy people’s questions. I also wonder if this was a point of contention for PF. I wonder what his reaction was to knowing his baby girl wasn’t going to have his last name?

MOO

I have said this a few times, but I believe she gave the baby her last name because she did not actually expect to get married or have a future with PF.
And I do believe he would have been resentful that the baby did not have his last name. Yet he apparently signed the birth certificate. Imo

 

[The Saint]

As the days go by, I have to believe that money was the motive.
PF's told friends that he and KB had split up a year ago. Baby girl didn't have his last name.

I don't believe that KB was making demands of him or issuing ultimatums. It sounds like she was doing her best to make things work for her daughter's sake.

KB buying the townhouse w/o him showed him that she really didn't need him. He would never be able to provide for KB and the baby and he knew it. Best that he stick w/ someone who knew him to be a rodeo stud (KK)
who placed zero demands on him.

He thought he could live on the proceeds from KB's insurance for their daughter + their daughter's inheritance as he would be
the person who would be providing primary care (although his mom
seemed to be the one actually watching Baby Girl).
IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

LE indicated they said she was going to see family for the week due to a family member not doing well. Her family was not aware of any of this. The family member is in Washington.

Oh, wow, all this time I thought the family member was in Idaho.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

She is his baby as well...not robbery or kidnapping really. Anyway how could LE possibly know that so as to charge robbery? Some items must have been taken, i.e her phone being most obvious.

bbm
Far fetched, I'm thinking myself, but perhaps LE found a little blood spatter from baby K? And perhaps had initiated a medical examination? Or had initiated an examination without previously discovering blood spatter? Or a pediatrician had discovered a remaining shadow of a bruise (men's hands on baby's arms/hull)?
Idk, when exactly PF denied CB to have contact to her grand child (I'm missing a lot). Maybe, PF knew, she would discover something on baby K's body? Would that fit in time?
IMO MOO - Only my thoughts at the moment.

 

[Elley Mae]

In Maryland the fathers name does not go on the birth certificate?

Doesn’t have to, my daughter had my maiden name till I married ( not her bio ), then husband adopted her.
I was told I could give her any last name I wanted to, 1985 it’s still that way.

 

[MsBetsy]

As the days go by, I have to believe that money was the motive.
PF's told friends that he and KB had split up a year ago. Baby girl didn't have his last name.

I don't believe that KB was making demands of him or issuing ultimatums. It sounds like she was doing her best to make things work for her daughter's sake.

KB buying the townhouse w/o him showed him that she really didn't need him. He would never be able to provide for KB and the baby and he knew it. Best that he stick w/ someone who knew him to be a rodeo stud (KK)
who placed zero demands on him.

He thought he could live on the proceeds from KB's insurance for her her daughter + her daughter's inheritance as he would be
the person who would be providing primary care (although his mom
seemed to be the one actually watching Baby Girl).
IMP

But why would he think he could collect the insurance or the baby's inheritance if there would be no actual proof that she was dead? Wouldn't it take many years to be declared dead? Imo

 

[The Saint]

imo I imagine he was quite happy to keep KB apart from rodeo-life.

Imo, because he wasn't a winner and he wanted to play the field.