CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

[Gunslinging Granny]

I think we've all seen this Lifetime Movie and know the ending.

I hope this ending includes:
All of KK's family and friends become disgusted with her lies and involvement with Kelsey's murder. They stop enabling her and refuse to provide her a place to reside. KK finally decides to fully cooperate with the FBI and tells them the location of Kelsey's body.

 

[Trudie]

....thinking.

Once I’m a stunning blonde rodeo queen, able to catch the attention of every cowboy at any given rodeo. One catches my fancy, we see each other......I fall madly in love. It’s an unreciprocated love. I move on, marry, have children, cowboy is always in my head. We sneak around, for years.
I keep hoping the two of us are gonna “ride double” thru life. My looks drastically change, I’m no longer viewed as the “hot” cowgirl. Cowboy has turned his horse down a new trail....he wants a “hot” girl. He finds one. She has his baby, omg. She has to go...... if she’s gone, cowboy is mine again. How can I get rid of her? Murder? What if things go wrong? If I/we get caught, then what? Blame him? It’s his fault. It really is. He abandoned me.

Just thinkin.....

....thinking some more......

yes, the gorgeous, thin, brilliant “witch” baby mom needs to be gone. She is the only thing keeping my cowboy out of my stall. If I can only find a bff to help me, even maybe give me some ideas....I can’t cope with baby mom for 17 more years. Thing were good for me & cowboy, then “witch” got pregnant. I got to get her out of the picture....I’m going insane. So tired of taking a back burner to baby mom & that kid. She’s got to go.
I have time off over Thanksgiving......yessssss, get rid of her bf Xmas. Yessssssss. Start the new year with my cowboy.

 

[InvSmith]

Makes you wonder if LE has "pieces of the phone" or "phone" but have not released that information. I sincerely hope they have evidence that she HAD it in her possession.

Sadly, I am thinking, IMO, they may have thought if the phone is destroyed whatever is communicated cannot be retrieved including the location. Fortunately, the device is tracked and hit at least one cell tower but the message would be retrieved from the provider not from the phone. If, you can place two people at the scene of a crime hypothetically or participating in cover-up activities from Sept to the present and the victim's phone is in ID that is significant evidence. The third-party statements from these attorneys clearly demonstrate for foreknowledge of the crime and opportunity to inform the police even on Thanksgiving Day. I can understand being scared but I would have been terrified for KB.

 

[jaspermac]

I prefer facts.
Thus far I know P has a mom with a walking impairment, is assumed to have a host of mental/personality issues & dirt poor. Also, based on what I read, he’s a flagrant animal abuser that was desperate to have sole custody of his child & solicited one or more persons to assist in murder.
I’m still searching for info to determine the date of the murder. I could log off right now & not take calls for the remainder of the weekend. If I’m determined to be deceased, Monday, did I die Fri/Sat or Sunday? My mailman saw me this morning, no one else has. So, would he be the last person to see me? How would anyone know if I let someone in my house? Several cars passed & honked their horns as I chatted briefly with my mailman.
Yes, I guess he would be in a precarious situation, come Monday, if I’m missing, presumed dead. Even though he drove off finishing his route.

I think most of us are operating off facts, and a small minority go back to some of the other stuff - probably trying to understand why he could do something like this. Personally, i take it with a grain of salt- I read the animal comments shortly after christmas and dismissed it as - a who knows kind of thing.

Re her date of death- Most of us are going by the LE press release which they stated they felt it was Nov 22- although they may have stated on or about due to wiggle room. I figure I will go with the police on what they think. If it was a day later or two days later it doesn't change any of the posts I have made, it would just add to them.

 

[SandyQLS]

That story won't fly anymore with the R interview, from he BFF.
1. solicited 3x in MSM now
2. Alibi's for each other- pretty weak when they both had discussions about killing her and then she's dead
3. Phone planted on her- no sorry. Text messages sent. Info her friend gave to the R's. She had the phone, not the phone was planted. If it was that info would definitely be part of the story that the R's are putting out there.
4. Fear- sorry. She didn't live with him. She lived 13-14 hours away. She had the info that he solicited her 3x she could go to police with. if she was so afraid why be with him in Colorado as you suggest instead of safe at home.
5. No way I buy she went to LE before hand otherwise KB's disappearance would have been investigated right away.
6. Did she go to LE after- maybe. To try and save herself.

As much as I wanted to believe that KK couldn't be complicitly involved in this, I am hard pressed to believe anything else.

Let me ask this: If it is true that KK was at the WP Sonic on 11/24, did PF even know KK was in town? It seems that PF picked up the baby on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00 because the neighbor saw his truck there. KB told her mother CB about nonspecific dinner plans. PF lives in Florissant, not WP. How do we know that PF ever saw KK or knew she was in the WP area? Where else was KK on this trip, who did she see or visit, did she spend a night there?

 

[Jupiter05]

You are probably right- book deal for friend brokered by lawyer employer.

But could KK"s attorney stop it? And maybe they thought it would generate sympathy or an understanding. Wrongo!

Book deal? It would be a really short book. I think we are rushing to judgement on the R's. IMO.

 

[EyesofTheSouth]

Aren't they "personal injury" lawyers = Ambulance chasers.

They're in this for the $$$ for media / publishing rights to at least BFF's story if they do not also have some hidden contract with KK

Well if you look at the About section of their website, it says they have experience in criminal law too.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

OH what a difference a day makes in our opinions :/ What a mess.

A day, and a little information.....

 

[Jupiter05]

What right reason? They have no direct knowledge of whether or not KK was scared, what the motives were etc. Why put yourself out there with information that you don't know is true? You can definitely go to LE about it and let them verify it or not. But to go to the media? A friend told me.... Its straight up gossip, (even it they believe its true, its still gossip).

We don't know. But maybe we should wait for more from them before we start bashing. The real monsters in this story are PF and KK so far. Let's remember that. Had the R's not come forward when they did, this case could have ended up cold. IMO

 

[InvSmith]

I keep trying to wrap my mind around the fact that PF asked IN, a female, to murder KB. What man solicits a woman to do his murderous deed? I could more easily understand him asking IN to find a hitMAN, but to ask her to do it is baffling. Maybe I'm just old fashioned or misinterpreting???
JMO ,MOO, etx

This my friend is the question.

 

[BingoBongo]

I am beginning to think that Narc is just the tip of the iceberg in PF's case.

I know the mods don't like allusion to other media, but it has been mentioned today.

PF (I assume) was the source of information about KB that proved to be outright lies.

I am wondering if we could assume that everything he said about KB could have been his own problem. That it was a form of psychotic, for the lack of a better word, or at least very delusional, transference. Maybe it is narcissistic transference, only I never heard the term.

Today we heard that PF allegedly said to KK that he was afraid KB was crazy and might hurt a child.
Any normal person who has evidence to the above would call Child Protective Services. This is how one deals with such concerns.

Not PF. He kills KB.

So - how about turning the tables on PF? What if PF, IRL, harbored the plans to hurt his child? Per the Rs, he threatened KKL's child, a girl. Assuming it was right (we dont' know), is there a possibility of him having similar plans about own girl?

Before, as it had already been mentioned today, PF accused KB of being bipolar (that is a diagnosis, and PF is not even a therapist). Where did he take it from? KB was a pilot and from what i know, functioned well in a difficult environment with minimal help.

What if PF was once diagnosed with being bipolar?

Given prior accusations, I am now asking myself if PF potentially had drinking problems and maybe, used drugs? (Paranoia!).

Etc, etc. If you hear about KB being this or that, you might wonder if PF had all these issues.

Mods, you are free to remove this, but as you can see, many of PF's accusations have penetrated MSM, so I wonder if we should speak about what in reality stands behind them.

My guess - PF's own issues.

Well, projection certainly is a tool for many, most especially the narcissist. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that he had some kind of addiction. They tend to "self-medicate" with booze, drugs, *advertiser censored*, etc.

I feel like I should add this disclaimer *I am NOT any kind of expert on narcissism*, just someone with personal experience that has led to lots of discovery.

 

[BingoBongo]

This my friend is the question.

I believe he did it because he thought he could control her.

 

[jaspermac]

....thinking some more......

yes, the gorgeous, thin, brilliant “witch” baby mom needs to be gone. She is the only thing keeping my cowboy out of my stall. If I can only find a bff to help me, even maybe give me some ideas....I can’t cope with baby mom for 17 more years. Thing were good for me & cowboy, then “witch” got pregnant. I got to get her out of the picture....I’m going insane. So tired of taking a back burner to baby mom & that kid. She’s got to go.
I have time off over Thanksgiving......yessssss, get rid of her bf Xmas. Yessssssss. Start the new year with my cowboy.

Cowboy- baby momma goes missing on Thanksgiving. rodeo queen was down at Thanksgiving. Where is KB? Anyone know where she is? Holy she hasn't come back or show up. I am talking to the police to see if I can help in any way. Her phone pinged in Idhaho, rodeo queen lives in idaho. I am definitely talking to police. I don't want any crazy, potentially murderous woman around my little baby.

In this story two are tangoing- at minimum

 

[Jupiter05]

So many posters have been wondering why no one that knows anyone in the case has not spoken to media. Now that someone has, they are being judged and attacked by same posters. I am only saying, let's not be so hard on them until we know more. IMO

 

[NoeticSoul]

A day, and a little information.....

Yup. I hope Karma catches up with them all eventually if their intentions are harm to KB's family and daughter by defending and covering for murderous criminals. IDC how small or "tight" BOTH country towns are. . Just sayin.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Let me ask this: If it is true that KK was at the WP Sonic on 11/24, did PF even know KK was in town? It seems that PF picked up the baby on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00 because the neighbor saw his truck there. KB told her mother CB about nonspecific dinner plans. PF lives in Florissant, not WP. How do we know that PF ever saw KK or knew she was in the WP area? Where else was KK on this trip, who did she see or visit, did she spend a night there?

bbm
A+B=C
KK and Patrick were dating.
Kelsey's (Patrick's baby mama) stolen phone was taken 809 miles to Gooding, Idaho which is 30 minutes from KK's home. Texts to hide Kelsey's unusual absence were sent from the phone.
KK drove Kelsey's stolen phone to Gooding.

 

[Herat]

Book deal? It would be a really short book. I think we are rushing to judgement on the R's. IMO.

There’s the 14 years worth of touching stories of PF and KK hooking up on the rodeo circuit.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

This case, these players, my head hurts!

So now the R’s are saying according to bff/KK PF was threatening to kidnap or harm KK’s child/children and that’s why she killed for him??? Or why she was supposed to keep quiet?

BUT PF’s reason that KB had to die was because SHE was going to harm baby KB??

He had other avenues to pursue to keep baby safe if the BS he is spewing were true.

It’s not, and I don’t think the BS KK spewed is true either.

Is the whole town up to their eyeballs in IN,and PF's Horse Manuer?
Not a soul there to speak up for Kelsey? Help her family, and Baby K?
I think one would better off smack in the middle of Afghanistan than in Rodeo Queen's town.
MOO.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I'll be so POed if she gets a Karla Homolka Deal.

WHY does LE keep falling for this bat my eyelashes, poor pity me, I’m a poor wittle victim ????

Sorry....so angry this morning....

 

[missy1974]

We don't know. But maybe we should wait for more from them before we start bashing. The real monsters in this story are PF and KK so far. Let's remember that. Had the R's not come forward when they did, this case could have ended up cold. IMO

They have inserted themselves into this case, and by their own admission, they don't even know KK personally.

We don't know that they had anything to do with PF being arrested, actually, the first article indicated that the FBI was already in town and were at their office right away when they called. I doubt they were in town waiting for the R's to call them. They already had information that led them there, and I doubt the R's told them much that they didn't already know. I think this case was far from a cold case when they called IMO