CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #28 *ARREST*

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Let me ask this: If it is true that KK was at the WP Sonic on 11/24, did PF even know KK was in town? It seems that PF picked up the baby on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00 because the neighbor saw his truck there. KB told her mother CB about nonspecific dinner plans. PF lives in Florissant, not WP. How do we know that PF ever saw KK or knew she was in the WP area? Where else was KK on this trip, who did she see or visit, did she spend a night there?

Touché! I’ve been saying this. Did he know? Did KK want P to spend T-giving with her, only to have him tell her “nope, no can do, got my baby that weekend.”
Just bc KB told her mom she had plans does not mean she did. I have NO family in my current home state. If I had no plans on a holiday, I would not tell them. I’d only say “yea, I might go to blah blah”, so they would not worry/feel bad. Maybe KB had plans & did not feel good, per her mom mentioning her hair was not fixed. Maybe KB didn’t want to have a traditional T-giving with P’s family & passed the baby to him, deciding to stay home.
I went trail riding with a large group of single people. None of us ate turkey, like turkey or wanted to sit inside on a beautiful day. The only traditional thing for us was the flock of wild turkey flying over during our ride.
Maybe she wanted to clean house, read a book, catch up on sleep. Idk but I think there might be other possibilities than to think P went to the condo, killed KB, grabbed his daughter & called KK to get to CO stat to get a phone.
 
It doesn't really matter in the eyes of the law that KK was besotted since high school with PF and that he told her KB was dangerous.

The hard cold hand of the law will strip away all the fluff and sentence these two killers to prisons, likely for life for the both of them.
LOL. PF graduated HS where he lived in CO. KK graduated HS in Hansen, ID. It appears the only way they know each other is through the rodeo circuit.

I don't care what stories KK is floating through her BFF to the R's. NONE of it rings true. I would bet that PF never said any such thing to KK about PF thought that KB would hurt the baby. Hooey. Someone is just spinning tales, and childish, stupid tales at that.
 
I was NOT the member who posted in a prior thread about the Woodland Park area being known for finds of human remains that remain unsolved, but would like to shed some light on that supposition:
KB’s condo is is just two city blocks east of the branch of Rampart Range Road, that dissects Woodland Park. The Rampart Range Road begins in west Colorado Springs and rises quickly to the crest of ridge of mountains. It follows that crest almost to Sedalia, which is just south of the southernmost suburbs of Denver. The road and it’s intersections provide summer access to approximately 1800 square miles of recreational Rocky Mountain scrub forest land. Rampart Range is closed every December 1, and remains closed until April 1 or later, depending on snow. On November 22, 2018 the weather was 55 degrees high, 38 degrees low at night, which was well above historic average. There was no snow. Three days later, the daily temperatures never rose above freezing and a half inch of snow fell ast the Colorado Springs airport. As of December 29, 2018 there was about six inches of snow lying on the Rampart Range, with blowing and drifting conditions and sub-zero wind chill factors. The temperatures of 35 degrees high and 7 degrees low were in line with the historic average of 37 degrees high and 9 degrees low temperatures.
On June 15, 1993 a female corpse was found at Rainbow Falls campground, between Colorado Springs and Woodland Park but in Douglas county. Her clothing indicated that she had lived in the outlaw motorcycle culture and was probably not a Colorado resident, but she has never been identified. In September of 2015, workmen demolishing a cabin chimney near the intersection of Rampart Range Road and Kelley’s Road in Woodland Park found the remains of 18 year old Joshua Maddux, who had climbed into the chimney in an apparent attempt to break into the vacant cabin in 2008. A memorial service was held at the Woodland Park Community Church. The intersection of Kelley’s Road and Rampart Range Road is a mile from KB’s condo. In December 1982, 18 year old William Bennington’s body was discovered on Rampart Range Road. Cause of death was blunt force trauma. The case remains unsolved. On March 8, 1988 Walter Mueller, a 32 year old male, left his work on North Nevada Avenue in Colorado Springs, not feeling well. He was found on Rampart Range Road, deceased from multiple gunshot wounds That case is also unsolved. The body of 24 year old Jocynda Irwin was found on Rampart Range Road on April 19, 1990 after being missing 24 hours. Cause of death has never been determined. On September 24, 2017 a 39 year old Colorado Springs woman named Micah Lambert went missing, and her car was found parked at Catamount Recreational Area, a popular trailhead southwest of Woodland Park for a path that encircles Pikes Peak. On March 15, 2018 her remains were discovered near Catamount Reservoir, a short distance from where she had parked. Cause of death was determoined to be suicide by pistol shot. On July 8, 2000 campers on the Rampart Range discovered the remains of Alison McClain, who had been bludgeoned to death. It was determined that she had been killed in her home. Her husband, who had left town after her disappearance, was charged in absentia with her murder. On July 3, 2018 a man began shooting at cars while driving on the Rampart Range Road. At Devil’s Head Campground in Teller County, he was shot multiple times by a camper armed with at least three AR15 semi-automatic rifles and a semi-automatic pistol. The investigation forced closure of all campsites south of Devil’s Head accessed by Rampart Range Road, for the duration of the 4th of July holiday. In September 2018 hiker Keven Rudsnicki went missing near the Rampart Range Road on the El Paso County side of the range. In early December, his remains were found near the Rampart Range Road intersection with Balanced Rock Road, which begins near Palmer Lake and runs westward over the mountain crest to terminate at the Rampart Range Road north of Woodland Park.
All but two of these instances happened in either El Paso or Douglas county, which both share long common borders with Teller County. The body in the chimney was investigated by the Woodland Park Police, and is the only mysterious death for them in memory, until KB. The suicide was investigated by the Teller County Sheriff’s office, and is one of three cases since 1990. Their other two cases had no connection to Woodland Park.
 
Let me ask this: If it is true that KK was at the WP Sonic on 11/24, did PF even know KK was in town? It seems that PF picked up the baby on 11/22 between 12:30-1:00 because the neighbor saw his truck there. KB told her mother CB about nonspecific dinner plans. PF lives in Florissant, not WP. How do we know that PF ever saw KK or knew she was in the WP area? Where else was KK on this trip, who did she see or visit, did she spend a night there?

To be fair, I am jumping the gun a bit re Colorado. But not running with the Sonic info . I am basing it on the third segment of the R's interview on Sunday- which teased them talking about why she was in Colorado.
Did he see her on thanksgiving? TBD but it has already been reported that they were seeing each other, so the liklihood is that they would. Would you drive 800 miles and not try for tete a tete.
Where did she spend the night? I have no verifable answer for that. Maybe the R's will enlighten us with their third party hearsay on Sunday.

Right now with KK and her actions we are at the speculation stage and trying to connect the dots with what is MSM verifiable.
 
They have inserted themselves into this case, and by their own admission, they don't even know KK personally.

We don't know that they had anything to do with PF being arrested, actually, the first article indicated that the FBI was already in town and were at their office right away when they called. I doubt they were in town waiting for the R's to call them. They already had information that led them there, and I doubt the R's told them much that they didn't already know. I think this case was far from a cold case when they called IMO
At least they called! And right, WE DO NOT KNOW.
 
So PF and KK met in High School...

But they didn’t go to the same high schools or even HS’s in the same state - correct?

So it was probably through some rodeo function.

I read they worked together - where? for how long?

They’ve never actually lived in the same area and as far as I can make out, PF has always lived in Florissant, and KK in the TF area.

So they would only see each other maximally 6 or so times a year a rodeo events?

And she carried this torch for 14 years for a guy who lives 70o miles away while she got married and had 2 children.

Sort of early for a mid-life crisis
 
So PF and KK met in High School...

But they didn’t go to the same high schools or even HS’s in the same state - correct?

So it was probably through some rodeo function.

I read they worked together - where? for how long?

They’ve never actually lived in the same area and as far as I can make out, PF has always lived in Florissant, and KK in the TF area.

So they would only see each other maximally 6 or so times a year a rodeo events?

And she carried this torch for 14 years for a guy who lives 70o miles away while she got married and had 2 children.

Sort of early for a mid-life crisis

It’s called OLD/obsessive love disorder.
 
I was NOT the member who posted in a prior thread about the Woodland Park area being known for finds of human remains that remain unsolved, but would like to shed some light on that supposition:
KB’s condo is is just two city blocks east of the branch of Rampart Range Road, that dissects Woodland Park. The Rampart Range Road begins in west Colorado Springs and rises quickly to the crest of ridge of mountains. It follows that crest almost to Sedalia, which is just south of the southernmost suburbs of Denver. The road and it’s intersections provide summer access to approximately 1800 square miles of recreational Rocky Mountain scrub forest land. Rampart Range is closed every December 1, and remains closed until April 1 or later, depending on snow. On November 22, 2018 the weather was 55 degrees high, 38 degrees low at night, which was well above historic average. There was no snow. Three days later, the daily temperatures never rose above freezing and a half inch of snow fell ast the Colorado Springs airport. As of December 29, 2018 there was about six inches of snow lying on the Rampart Range, with blowing and drifting conditions and sub-zero wind chill factors. The temperatures of 35 degrees high and 7 degrees low were in line with the historic average of 37 degrees high and 9 degrees low temperatures.
On June 15, 1993 a female corpse was found at Rainbow Falls campground, between Colorado Springs and Woodland Park but in Douglas county. Her clothing indicated that she had lived in the outlaw motorcycle culture and was probably not a Colorado resident, but she has never been identified. In September of 2015, workmen demolishing a cabin chimney near the intersection of Rampart Range Road and Kelley’s Road in Woodland Park found the remains of 18 year old Joshua Maddux, who had climbed into the chimney in an apparent attempt to break into the vacant cabin in 2008. A memorial service was held at the Woodland Park Community Church. The intersection of Kelley’s Road and Rampart Range Road is a mile from KB’s condo. In December 1982, 18 year old William Bennington’s body was discovered on Rampart Range Road. Cause of death was blunt force trauma. The case remains unsolved. On March 8, 1988 Walter Mueller, a 32 year old male, left his work on North Nevada Avenue in Colorado Springs, not feeling well. He was found on Rampart Range Road, deceased from multiple gunshot wounds That case is also unsolved. The body of 24 year old Jocynda Irwin was found on Rampart Range Road on April 19, 1990 after being missing 24 hours. Cause of death has never been determined. On September 24, 2017 a 39 year old Colorado Springs woman named Micah Lambert went missing, and her car was found parked at Catamount Recreational Area, a popular trailhead southwest of Woodland Park for a path that encircles Pikes Peak. On March 15, 2018 her remains were discovered near Catamount Reservoir, a short distance from where she had parked. Cause of death was determoined to be suicide by pistol shot. On July 8, 2000 campers on the Rampart Range discovered the remains of Alison McClain, who had been bludgeoned to death. It was determined that she had been killed in her home. Her husband, who had left town after her disappearance, was charged in absentia with her murder. On July 3, 2018 a man began shooting at cars while driving on the Rampart Range Road. At Devil’s Head Campground in Teller County, he was shot multiple times by a camper armed with at least three AR15 semi-automatic rifles and a semi-automatic pistol. The investigation forced closure of all campsites south of Devil’s Head accessed by Rampart Range Road, for the duration of the 4th of July holiday. In September 2018 hiker Keven Rudsnicki went missing near the Rampart Range Road on the El Paso County side of the range. In early December, his remains were found near the Rampart Range Road intersection with Balanced Rock Road, which begins near Palmer Lake and runs westward over the mountain crest to terminate at the Rampart Range Road north of Woodland Park.
All but two of these instances happened in either El Paso or Douglas county, which both share long common borders with Teller County. The body in the chimney was investigated by the Woodland Park Police, and is the only mysterious death for them in memory, until KB. The suicide was investigated by the Teller County Sheriff’s office, and is one of three cases since 1990. Their other two cases had no connection to Woodland Park.
Wow! Thank you @Dave F. ! I am so happy you are here on this thread!
 
I believe he did it because he thought he could control her.

I think they wanted her eliminated so this was their master plan. I think she probably did talk about it with her BFF. I think this released possibly guilt and some shame but not enough hatred. This makes me feel even worse for KB and her child's life without her.
 
So PF and KK met in High School...

But they didn’t go to the same high schools or even HS’s in the same state - correct?

So it was probably through some rodeo function.

I read they worked together - where? for how long?

They’ve never actually lived in the same area and as far as I can make out, PF has always lived in Florissant, and KK in the TF area.

So they would only see each other maximally 6 or so times a year a rodeo events?

And she carried this torch for 14 years for a guy who lives 70o miles away while she got married and had 2 children.

Sort of early for a mid-life crisis
The one news source who said they worked together had confused KK for another woman with a similar name. There's no evidence that KK and PF ever worked together or knew each other from high school.
 
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There’s the 14 years worth of touching stories of PF and KK hooking up on the rodeo circuit.
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jaspermac said:
What right reason? They have no direct knowledge of whether or not KK was scared, what the motives were etc. Why put yourself out there with information that you don't know is true? You can definitely go to LE about it and let them verify it or not. But to go to the media? A friend told me.... Its straight up gossip, (even it they believe its true, its still gossip).

We don't know. But maybe we should wait for more from them before we start bashing. The real monsters in this story are PF and KK so far. Let's remember that. Had the R's not come forward when they did, this case could have ended up cold. IMO

Nothing I said is bashing. That is completely unfair. I haven't called them any names or implied anything about their character or ability. What I have said is that they are coming forward with third party information/hearsay in MSM. Its gossip. It is odd for a lawyer to run with unverifiable information to the media. To LE- sure, and they can verify it or not.

I received info directly from someone on this case, but I can't verify it. i would never speak to the media about it. Because it might not be true . But that's just me.
 
jaspermac said:
What right reason? They have no direct knowledge of whether or not KK was scared, what the motives were etc. Why put yourself out there with information that you don't know is true? You can definitely go to LE about it and let them verify it or not. But to go to the media? A friend told me.... Its straight up gossip, (even it they believe its true, its still gossip).



Nothing I said is bashing. That is completely unfair. I haven't called them any names or implied anything about their character or ability. What I have said is that they are coming forward with third party information/hearsay in MSM. Its gossip. It is odd for a lawyer to run with unverifiable information to the media. To LE- sure, and they can verify it or not.

I received info directly from someone on this case, but I can't verify it. i would never speak to the media about it. Because it might not be true . But that's just me.
I was not criticizing you. It was a general remark in my opinion to others bashing. I should have posted instead of quoting. It was worthy of MSM doing an interview. It is not SM gossip, which to me there is a difference.
 
Is the whole town up to their eyeballs in IN,and PF's Horse Manuer?
Not a soul there to speak up for Kelsey? Help her family, and Baby K?
I think one would better off smack in the middle of Afghanistan than in Rodeo Queen's town.
MOO.

I would hazard a guess that both LE and various atty's. have asked for silence. Except it's hard to silence FB.
 
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