CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #29 *ARREST*

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Gunslinging Granny said:
They knew Kelsey was missing because KK told her bff that Kelsey was missing. The bff then approached her employer (the Rs) and said 'that person, she's missing, she's also a pilot.'

Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI
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So how did KK know Kelsey was missing by November 26th?? In order to know that, wouldn't that basically be admitting that she was involved and/or had knowledge of what took place? Because Kelsey wasn't reported missing until December 2nd, right? Or am I missing something here??
 
NCTeacher said:
Thank you for that info, in all the convoluted mess, I missed that.

Still, I'm not convinced he did the dirty work. People who solicit, do so because they want to avoid the dirty work. My hunch is, he found someone willing to do it.

Which leads me to question the whole aspect of KK reportedly saying she thinks he has killed before. I have a hard time believing someone who once killed, would have qualms about doing the dirty work and instead try to solicit.
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Its hard to figure out. I think solicitation is more about trying to get away with the murder so you have an alibi etc. So i think he could do it but it would be better if he didn't.

That being said, why the heck would you solicit your GF? First of all, how is she open to that convo? Is she even capable of doing it? If she gets caught you get caught?

I don't think i believe any of the stories she has put out re her child in danger, she thinks he has killed before etc. Because if i thought someone had killed before , you wouldn't find me in the same state as him.

So all of that and I have no idea what the heck is going on in this case. Lots of ideas that don't make much sense, but I'm not a killer with a disorganized mind.. so theres that.
 
NWLady said:
So how did KK know Kelsey was missing by November 26th?? In order to know that, wouldn't that basically be admitting that she was involved and/or had knowledge of what took place? Because Kelsey wasn't reported missing until December 2nd, right? Or am I missing something here??
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Someone is missing something, but it ain’t us, it’s them.

This is the most confusing interview I’ve ever seen.
 
NWLady said:
Just jumping off your post - I am confused trying to follow along here about the dates, etc., however, how could the "employee" say to the R's/her employer anything about a woman missing when as far as we know, Kelsey wasn't even reported missing until December 2nd. In other words, why would the R's employee be saying anything about someone missing (especially if it pertained to Kelsey) and be saying it on November 26th or 27th??
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The R's employee was bff with KK.

KK told her bff (the employee) that Kelsey was missing.

Kelsey was actually dead and her body was "missing".
 
Kapua said:
But that is inconsistent with the narrative PF was trying to create by having KK take KB's phone to ID (if this is true). She wasn't missing on Nov. 26 according to the texts the phone sent to her employer (and PF), just taking some time off. So if BFF M told the Rs that KB was missing on Nov. 26, she knew that KB wasn't just missing. MOO
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This is just spot on. I hope LE figured this out. They all knew before the missing announcement.
 
NWLady said:
So how did KK know Kelsey was missing by November 26th?? In order to know that, wouldn't that basically be admitting that she was involved and/or had knowledge of what took place? Because Kelsey wasn't reported missing until December 2nd, right? Or am I missing something here??
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At some point KK did admit she was involved to the R's (through her friend) at least according to their narrative- because the R's said she had the phone. If she had KB"s phone to dispose of she was involved and knew KK was dead. So when they found that out that she had the phone they didn't say.

It makes you wonder if that is why they are getting their dates mixed up. They were getting info as early as Nov 26 that pointed to the deed being done ie KK has the phone and he is making her dispose of it. But if that is the case and they didn't come forward... Then they use Nov 26 as the date they linked the missing woman with PF's solicitation through a facebook post, instead of where they actually got it - they knew KK had the phone that day. We need Nancy Grace to interview them and ask them the tough questions, but pause to let them answer LOL.
 
MassGuy said:
If she had information about this, I’d be beyond stunned that she hasn’t told them.

She hasn’t been charged yet, and this likely has to do with the fact that she is talking, and her involvement is still being investigated.

I think it’s probable that only PF knows where the body is.
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If that's the case, I don't understand why he didn't just dispose of the phone with her body. Why have KK come to Colorado just to take the phone back to Idaho and text KB's employer/PF she won't be back for a week? That elaboration isn't necessary. Yet in all that elaboration, no one accounted for her vehicles still being at her home?

Wouldn't it have been easier to just attempt to drop the baby off after a few days, call her mom and ask her if she has heard from her, and report her missing himself?

To be frank, it is the whole involving KK and getting the phone to Idaho is what really broke this case wide open. Her body still hasn't been found and if he is the sole killer, his elaboration was his downfall. In whatever manner her body left the house, it was done discreetly. In whatever manner she was disposed, it was done discreetly. He wouldn't be in jail right now without the elaboration. Right now, she'd still be a missing person like the many others who hold such title.

At this point, it just screams that PF didn't want the burden of doing the dirty work. He didn't want to do the killing, he didn't want to do the reporting missing. I honestly think he didn't do the disposing either.

I think he came by to get the baby out of the house (under some guise) and told KB to be ready for their Thanksgiving dinner and he'd be back to get her later. And that was his direct involvement.
 
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enelram said:
how do we know she isn't in custody w/ FBI? We know it's
been FBI investigating her role in this.
FBI wouldn't need to name her on any jail roster if she's
in custody but incognito.
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I asked last night if she could be listed as “Jane Doe”. I’m in a dif state & I do see news/msm reporting “John Doe was arrested for....”, I asked a state trooper (relative) about the “Doe’s”,often a person has no ID, might be wanted on a warrant, etc., gives LE an alias, that’s what they’re booked under. Also, if a high profile inmate is booked to the small detention facility he can be booked under an alias. Especially if only being held briefly & awaiting transfer.
There’s been not one sighting of KK. Makes me wonder.
My county detention center will hold an inmate for a surrounding county, too. Then, there’s the “regional detention facility”, it accepts from surrounding areas that don’t have a jail.
The R’s would surely be on nat’l TV to update us if she’s in jail, I think. Jmo
 
SandyQLS said:
Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

...On November 26th, Michelle came to Patty and said 'that person, she's missing, she's also a pilot.' Patty realized she had also seen a Facebook post about a missing Colorado mom that sounded familiar. She delivered an ultimatum for her employee Michelle to pass along to Krystal. ...
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Yes, it was odd that 'she's a pilot' was inserted into that information. Did bff include this info because she wanted the Rs to believe Kelsey had disappeared in her plane
(as if the Rs forgot that KK was solicited to kill Kelsey, the pilot)?

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NCTeacher said:
If that's the case, I don't understand why he didn't just dispose of the phone with her body. Why have KK come to Colorado just to take the phone back to Idaho and text KB's employer/PF she won't be back for a week? That elaboration isn't necessary.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just attempt to drop the baby off after a few days, call her mom and ask her if she has heard from her, and report her missing himself?

To be frank, it is the whole involving KK and getting the phone to Idaho is what really broke this case wide open. Her body still hasn't been found and if he is the sole killer, his elaboration was his downfall. In whatever manner her body left the house, it was done discreetly. In whatever manner she was disposed, it was done discreetly. He wouldn't be in jail right now without the elaboration. Right now, she'd still be a missing person like the many others who hold such title.
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It’s bizarre to think KK traveled so far to “only” be involved in the phone disposal aspect & eat at Sonic, imo.
 
Gunslinging Granny said:
“I don’t know why she didn’t, I don’t know if she was scared,” Patty said. “That’s what got reported back to me. That she had gone to the police. I didn’t know until almost two weeks later that she hadn’t.”
After this realization, Mrs R contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigations on Dec. 17 through the number that was posted at the bottom of Cheryl B’s televised plea for help.
Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

Cheryl’s televised plea played on Dec 12 not Dec 17. There wasn’t a phone number posted on the bottom of the screen.

Dec 17 was the day that Patrick was seen at a waste management facility along with two other men. The two other men, arrived in two separate cars and unloaded a long trailer attached to Patrick’s vehicle. Patrick remained in the truck. The trash was later collected by police and some items taken away for further investigation. Patrick looked guilty on Dec 17.

Kelsey's duplex was searched the following night by the FBI and CBI.
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Why are these people talking? The phone number not being on the screen as Mrs R stated...the phone being in KK’s possession as Mrs R stated and that KK sent the texts. Mrs R states these things as fact. Is this woman crazy? Seriously.
 
NCTeacher said:
If that's the case, I don't understand why he didn't just dispose of the phone with her body. Why have KK come to Colorado just to take the phone back to Idaho and text KB's employer/PF she won't be back for a week? That elaboration isn't necessary.

Wouldn't it have been easier to just attempt to drop the baby off after a few days, call her mom and ask her if she has heard from her, and report her missing himself?

To be frank, it is the whole involving KK and getting the phone to Idaho is what really broke this case wide open. Her body still hasn't been found and if he is the sole killer, his elaboration was his downfall. In whatever manner her body left the house, it was done discreetly. In whatever manner she was disposed, it was done discreetly. He wouldn't be in jail right now without the elaboration. Right now, she'd still be a missing person like the many others who hold such title.
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The purpose of the phone was likely to set the stage that Kelsey left on her own.

The location of that cell phone activity would sell this story, while simultaneously setting up an alibi for PF (if his phone was still in Colorado).

He thought he came up with the perfect plan, but you’re right, he was thwarted by the plan of his own making.
 
Hypothetical theory to explain the Nov 26/27 dates and the R's seeing info about Kelsey on facebook during that time period:

Let's assume the R's are being truthful to the best of their knowledge. Let's say that the R's were only told by M the first names Patrick and Kelsey when she told about KK being asked by P to help murder Kelsey. They were told of the possible solicitation back in October and asked for M to have KK come see them. KK never came to see them and instead M said to the R's "forget it". Let's say for minute we buy that the R's thought that meant it's likely not serious-- perhaps just a drunken rant or something, but they were still bothered by it and remembered the first names Kelsey and Patrick.

Now fast forward to Nov 25th-- we know KB had been murdered by that point and her phone was used to send text messages to PF and KB's job. Let's say that on Nov 26 Mrs R really DID see a facebook post about a missing CO woman named Kelsey and alarm bells went off in her head. She goes to M and asks if the woman that they had previously talked about named Kelsey was missing. M supposedly contacts KK and says "My boss saw on fb that KB is missing, is it true?" and perhaps KK, who has guilty knowledge that Kelsey really is gone but doesn't know that it's not on facebook yet, replies it's true KB is missing. M comes back to Mrs R same day (Nov 26th) and says-- "that's her, she's missing and a pilot too".

Now here's the hypothetical-- Perhaps the Nov 26th facebook post Mrs R saw about a missing Kelsey from Colorado was really a post about the missing Kelsie Schelling. Although Kelsie Schelling has been missing since 2013 there were new developments in her case in 2018-- enough that people might have been posting and sharing about her still being missing. If Mrs R only saw a post that said something like "please help find my missing friend Kelsie from CO" and didn't click any links or do any investigating to see when this Kelsie went missing she might have thought it was a recent case. So the R's gave their 24 hour ultimatum after getting the answers they did and when they heard KK got a new phone number they assumed that meant it was true she spoke to LE and was taking actions to protect herself from PF.

This theory still doesn't explain why the Rs wouldn't have taken action and contacted the police themselves as well in Nov. But it would explain the wrong dates and it would reveal that KK (and by extension M) knew about KB being missing before she had been reported missing. The Rs could be key witnesses if this were the case.

MOO.
 
Love Never Fails said:
You aren’t reading correctly. The MSM is in fact the same outlet that aired the interview. One and the same. Same reporter. But as another poster said, contact the outlet for yourself.

And please don’t insult us with “We are better than this”.
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They are ones that said they saw the information on FB and linked the two together on the 26th/27th.
 
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