CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[WildcatRunner]

I am afraid LE cut a deal for immunity for her.

The reason I worry about this is because the only bargaining chip she had was her information and agreeing to testify against PF so surely she would have gotten a signed deal through her lawyer before she shared all she knows.

Otherwise if she would have told all she knew before getting a signed deal then LE could charge her with crimes and she would have no way to stop it. Which is why I think a deal was made before she shared all she knew.

I have seen in the movies (i know...LOL) where LE may do a deal like this but what they would do is have wording in the deal that so long as she wasnt the one that actually did the murder then the deal is valid. That is something LE may agree to and sign the deal without knowing her involvement up front. If they found out she actually did the murder then the deal would be off and she could be charged with murder.

I hope I am wrong about her getting full immunity through a deal already because I am thinking she is culpable at least helping after the fact and that should warrant some sort of penalty.

A prosecutor won't "sign a deal" until they have heard what she has to say. She's not getting a deal until they know it is of value to them.

 

[The Saint]

Do you think P had a financial motive to murder KB?

Yes.
If KB were dead, he would get custody of the baby girl. He would have money coming in via baby girl's inheritance (KB's life insurance, house, etc). A lot of the inheritance would be in a trust fund that baby girl would inherit when she turned 21, but PF would still get money to support baby girl.

imo moo

 

[justpeachy22]

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[Concernedmamaof3]

Your *speculation* theory sounds very much what I imagine Krystal to be telling LE as explanation for her involvement. The question is, if this (or similar) is her story...is it TRUE? even 50% true? Or... 99% false?

Still here, impatiently waiting for some answers.

I know. KK has me all torn. I think reality is probably somewhere in between mastermind and accessory after the fact under duress. I do hope LE validates any story she claims.

Would it make you feel better if she went to police immediately after KB was reported missing? I think that would make me feel slightly better about a plea deal for her. If the Rs are truly the ones to turn her in and she was still hiding at that point, I definitely don’t think any plea should be made because in my mind the chances of her lying go up. MOO

 

[Hatch]

True but the guy in Jayme’s case told police in detail what happened. Plus Jayme told them. We may never hear the truth in this case...jmo.

@MassGuy Ref: DM so could it be the R's are coming forward because they possibly consulted with M and she relayed it KK etc. about how to commit a murder and the best way to dispose of a body so there would be little evidence left? Not necessarily one on one of the KB case but maybe in a conversation like M saying something to the effect to PR in your opinion what would be the best way to murder someone and not get caught ? So now the guilty dog that gave advice is barking the loudest?
IMO they are involved a little more , maybe a lot more than they are wanting to admit. CYA concern for a friend of a friend or money just doesn't add up.

 

[WildcatRunner]

Yes.
If KB were dead, he would get custody of the baby girl. He would have money coming in via baby girl's inheritance (KB's life insurance, house, etc). A lot of the inheritance would be in a trust fund that baby girl would inherit when she turned 21, but PF would still get money to support baby girl.

imo moo

That part makes sense (getting $$ vs paying $$ through child support). But I don't think it would tie back to KB and the BLM leases, or anything else PF would perceive KB able to do that was nefarious. I only say this because if I realize someone has dirt on me that is going to ruin my life, I'd get rid of them before they can share whatever it is. He was planning this for possibly 2+ months. I think he would have been too afraid in that time frame that she would out him.

 

[Artis]

So...he wants everyone to believe she "went crazy," left on foot WITH THE BABY in order to walk to his ranch, drop her off with him, and then continue on foot--and at no point did he ask her "where's your vehicle?" OR he wants people to believe she "went crazy" but not crazy enough to walk with the baby and return home in her vehicle, just crazy enough to leave the house at that point on foot...

Sheesh. For 2 months of planning, he sure didn't take notes on other local, disappearance-as-murder-coverups.

No. There's no indication he ever said anything like that. He said she told him she was going to Soap Lake, Washington. IIRC, it was reported he said they MET to exchange the baby but it was never said where (her house, the ranch, or somewhere else). I don't think he felt he had to explain why her vehicles were home. All he was supposed to know was that she said she was going to Washington. In that fictitious story, she could have taken a plane for all he knew or gone off in a car with some other person. He knew enough to make sure her purse and phone were taken, though. Probably learned to cover that base from the Watts case.

 

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy Ref: DM so could it be the R's are coming forward because they possibly consulted with M and she relayed it KK etc. about how to commit a murder and the best way to dispose of a body so there would be little evidence left? Not necessarily one on one of the KB case but maybe in a conversation like M saying something to the effect to PR in your opinion what would be the best way to murder someone and not get caught ? So now the guilty dog that gave advice is barking the loudest?
IMO they are involved a little more , maybe a lot more than they are wanting to admit. CYA concern for a friend of a friend or money just doesn't add up.

I dunno, I genuinely don’t believe that these people had that type of knowledge.

If they did, their best bet would be to shut up, and not draw attention to themselves.

I don’t like them, but I don’t think they are more involved than what they claim.

They are just terrible people.

 

[Hatch]

This is pretty typical at the beginning. Everyone is in shock and they don't want to believe anything else. They also don't believe in the evilness in people around them. (unless it is a hx of DV, thats different)

If PF presented to everyone as a relatively nice guy, you don't even believe it could be a possibility that he was involved and she is missing. That happens as the shock wears off and logic kicks in.

Been there, done that..

CB's first interview was very raw emotion , she wanted to get Kelsey's face out there because someone knows where she's at. Her second interview IMO she knew most of the answers she was just doing and saying whatever she had to do to not to tip PF off the edge , Not until the baby was safe. The baby's safety became priority at that point and LE and CB knew it could go either way PF most likely was in that grey area where I may or may not kill the baby.
Edit typos: My Sister was the UIL typist that has been proven obvious.

 

[Irmese]

Ita. Plus, he might have his own unit in the barn. I’m sure he dated before KB. If he wanted to bring his lady home, I expect he had private quarters. Actually, a lot of adults live at home these days. If everyone’s cool with it, why not.
IMO, he’d have MORE money bc he has LESS expense.
Ma F’s house is much larger than the condo. When I suggested the condo too small for him to comfortably live with KB, I was attacked. I stand my opinion, 750;sq ft is small for two adults and a child crawling/walking. About the only thing I see taking P off the ranch is jail. Moo

I agree as far as the condo. No matter how you look at it though, PF's one known love interest and one suspected love interest did not live with him and he didn't live with them AFAWK. I'm not saying he was celibate, just that he was not interested in living with/marrying these two. And yes, a lot of adults do move back home, often for financial reasons. One thing I do know, if he and KB really wanted to be married or living together, they would have found a way. I think it's pretty obvious he would rather live with Mom than anybody. And yes, it is kind of weird that a 32 year old man who does have plenty of ladies interested in him prefers to keep women at a distance. MOO.

 

[Trudie]

A prosecutor won't "sign a deal" until they have heard what she has to say. She's not getting a deal until they know it is of value to them.

This has been discussed repeatedly.
Anyone know if Colorado law allows a deal w/o an arrest?
I can’t wrap my head around that.
If I’m in “trouble” but not arrested, why would I make a deal? Tysm, anyone that knows

 

[Artis]

They wanted it to ping in Idaho is my opinion. To show she was headed that way. I don't think they ever thought they would connect him to some nurse in Idaho.

Bingo! Why didn't I think of that? We're so used to knowing KKLRQ & PF are connected that we forget the only reason that came to light is because she was running her trap to her girlfriend. He thought nobody knew about their connection and, certainly, wouldn't think she'd be so stupid as to go blabbing about something so nefarious. WRONG!

 

[Hatch]

I dunno, I genuinely don’t believe that these people had that type of knowledge.

If they did, their best bet would be to shut up, and not draw attention to themselves.

I don’t like them, but I don’t think they are more involved than what they claim.

They are just terrible people.

I agree that are despicable people, and shutting up would of been their best move, but they are loud and proud. I hope they go crawl back under their rock asap.

 

[Trudie]

CB's first interview was very raw emotion , she wanted to get Kelsey's face out there because someone knows where she's at. Her second interview IMO she knew most of the answers she was just doing and saying whatever she had to do to not to tip PF off the edge , Not until the baby was safe. The baby's safety became priority at that point and LE and CB knew it could go either way PF most likely was in that grey area where I may or may nor kill the baby.

Wow. That’d eliminate the wanting custody/money theory, if he even considered the latter. Sorry, I can’t type that out.

 

[Trudie]

Bingo! Why didn't I think of that? We're so used to knowing KKLRQ & PF are connected that we forget the only reason that came to light is because she was running her trap to her girlfriend. He thought nobody knew about their connection and, certainly, wouldn't think she'd be so stupid as to go blabbing about something so nefarious. WRONG!

Artis~I think, down the road, we’ll learn someone in the B family knew of KK. Time will tell. I have strong suspicion KB had reason to discuss her with her mom, bro, BIL or. aunt. I hope I’m right. Bc there could be emails or texts, with info helpful to LE. I see no way their paths did not cross. Jmo

 

[Hatch]

Wow. That’d eliminate the wanting custody/money theory, if he even considered the latter. Sorry, I can’t type that out.

Well if PF wanted a life with KK baby B might have been to much baggage! At some point she may have disappeared also and he could of said Kelsey came and got her , that is if his plan had of been fool proof and KK would of kept her mouth shut.

 

[Hatch]

I agree that are despicable people, and shutting up would of been their best move, but they are loud and proud. I hope they go crawl back under their rock asap.

I don't believe these were little office chats and hints dropped to the R's, if what they are saying is true, there were some sit down, note taking plotting and scheming going on. Maybe a few Oh S---'s !

 

[Tricia]

Absolutely no made up initials to describe a person in this case. Please stick to their real initials.

Thank you,

 

[GordianKnot]

Well if PF wanted a life with KK baby B might have been to much baggage! At some point she may have disappeared also and he could of said Kelsey came and got her , that is if his plan had of been fool proof and KK would of kept her mouth shut.

PF hates women. He doesn't "want a life with" any of them. They're just receptacles to him. IMHO.

PF's "relationships" with women as far as his ability to connect goes are no more than what he'd have by way of a "relationship" with a blow-up doll.
JMHO.

 

[gngr~snap]

Yes, now, after his truck was spotted in her driveway that day, but supposedly his initial response was she dropped the baby off with him and took off.

Which makes me question, were there 2 car seats?
If they both had one and both of her cars were at home, one would have had the car seat in it, proving PF left with the child in the car seat he had in his vehicle.
Than again, there are car
seats with 2 bases.
The car seats can also be used with a belt and no base.
I have a feeling that they each had a car seat for her.

Moo