CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #31 *ARREST*

[Artis]

I don't give them any credit with the progression of the case. By their own admission by the time they called to report- Dec 17 the police already had a search warrant for KK's property.

LE were way ahead of the R's.

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Before the Rs spoke up LE was onto KKLRQ? Do you have a link on that? I do recall that around the time the phone was reported to have pinged in Idaho that stuff like search warrants were happening but I don't know the timeline.

 

[gngr~snap]

Yes.
If KB were dead, he would get custody of the baby girl. He would have money coming in via baby girl's inheritance (KB's life insurance, house, etc). A lot of the inheritance would be in a trust fund that baby girl would inherit when she turned 21, but PF would still get money to support baby girl.

imo moo

Hmm, so he wanted the child and "child support"
(in other words)

Moo

 

[Kapua]

PF hates women. He doesn't "want a life with" any of them. They're just receptacles to him. IMHO.

PF's "relationships" with women as far as his ability to connect goes are no more than what he'd have by way of a "relationship" with a blow-up doll.
JMHO.

Spot on, IMHO.

He's 32 years old and has a 15-month-old child. If he wanted to get married and settle down, he would have married KB. Notice that his side woman is 700 miles away. He's not going to marry her, either. Then there was that report of him cheating on his ex-girlfriend while she was in the hospital. He doesn't like to be tied down and he doesn't like to get too close, emotionally. MOO

 

[dkryder]

This has been discussed repeatedly.
Anyone know if Colorado law allows a deal w/o an arrest?
I can’t wrap my head around that.
If I’m in “trouble” but not arrested, why would I make a deal? Tysm, anyone that knows

perhaps KK was initially detained. she was asked questions which caused her to panic. she offered to become an informant without actually admitting any wrongdoing. because of the information she provided she was offered immunity from prosecution.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yes.
If KB were dead, he would get custody of the baby girl. He would have money coming in via baby girl's inheritance (KB's life insurance, house, etc). A lot of the inheritance would be in a trust fund that baby girl would inherit when she turned 21, but PF would still get money to support baby girl.

imo moo

Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click, Click.
That sound you hear is me repeatedly pounding the "Like" button in response to your post.
PF's motives for the murder are going to prove to be financial ones.
Bet on it.
IMAYSO.

 

[Artis]

Let us know what you hear, please.
I thought that’s what DM reported. Sounds plausible, to keep up the charade KB was alive & well.

Another thing, We know KB spoke with her mom Thanksgiving. LE has not actually confirmed she was murdered that day. Idk how, w/o confession, they can determine a date. If after midnight, it would have been Fri. It’s possible she didn’t use her phone Thanksgiving after speaking with CB.
We know KK was in town Saturday. We have no idea when she arrived. As some suggest, did she only drive to CO, after the fact, to retrieve the phone? If so, imo, there’s one reason, she’s in love. Moo

How do we know that she was in Colorado on Saturday?

 

[Artis]

It’s not really “defending” KK, imo. It’s like they are compelled to get her info out here. Then they justify what they reveal “he was her first love”, “he had a hold on her”.
Maybe KK’s attys asked R’s to “back away”. I think if they were defending her, we would nothing of them. Lol

I don't mean legally representing her but defending her as in making excuses, softening her culpability, for this person they don't even know.

 

[Artis]

I can’t imagine the FBI or any LE revealing any fact to anyone, in a capital murder case. How would they know they could trust the R’s? Jmo

Because they would plugged into the local justice system, knowing cops, lawyers, judges and they talk to each other.

 

[Charlot123]

Spot on, IMHO.

He's 32 years old and has a 15-month-old child. If he wanted to get married and settle down, he would have married KB. Notice that his side woman is 700 miles away. He's not going to marry her, either. Then there was that report of him cheating on his ex-girlfriend while she was in the hospital. He doesn't like to be tied down and he doesn't like to get too close, emotionally. MOO

Agree about not getting too close, but the world is full of women. Just because he did not marry KB or KK did not mean he was not in love with someone else.

 

[Artis]

Agree about not getting too close, but the world is full of women. Just because he did not marry KB or KK did not mean he was not in love with someone else.

I have a feeling that he may not be capable of love. Just a hunch. If he had anything to do with the murder of Kelsey, I guarantee he isn't.

 

[Charlot123]

@MassGuy Ref: DM so could it be the R's are coming forward because they possibly consulted with M and she relayed it KK etc. about how to commit a murder and the best way to dispose of a body so there would be little evidence left? Not necessarily one on one of the KB case but maybe in a conversation like M saying something to the effect to PR in your opinion what would be the best way to murder someone and not get caught ? So now the guilty dog that gave advice is barking the loudest?
IMO they are involved a little more , maybe a lot more than they are wanting to admit. CYA concern for a friend of a friend or money just doesn't add up.

Maybe Occam’s razor principle works here? They heard about the BF soliciting murder from KK but kept silent because they decided it was none of their business. Real whistleblowers take a risk, you know. KK was well-known in the community, had friends. Then the Rs got interested and crawled out with their information because they hoped for the reward. Now as, apparently, they are not eligible for the reward, they are trying to make money by appearing on the local TV, in three installments. All they know about KK is from BFF, and they are giving out these bits and pieces to spice up the story. No one put a gag order on them, part 3 was so watery because they ran out of material.

 

[Charlot123]

I am afraid LE cut a deal for immunity for her.

The reason I worry about this is because the only bargaining chip she had was her information and agreeing to testify against PF so surely she would have gotten a signed deal through her lawyer before she shared all she knows.

Otherwise if she would have told all she knew before getting a signed deal then LE could charge her with crimes and she would have no way to stop it. Which is why I think a deal was made before she shared all she knew.

I have seen in the movies (i know...LOL) where LE may do a deal like this but what they would do is have wording in the deal that so long as she wasnt the one that actually did the murder then the deal is valid. That is something LE may agree to and sign the deal without knowing her involvement up front. If they found out she actually did the murder then the deal would be off and she could be charged with murder.

I hope I am wrong about her getting full immunity through a deal already because I am thinking she is culpable at least helping after the fact and that should warrant some sort of penalty.

Agree 100%. About the deal, and about her being culpable.

 

[Seattle1]

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Before the Rs spoke up LE was onto KKLRQ? Do you have a link on that? I do recall that around the time the phone was reported to have pinged in Idaho that stuff like search warrants were happening but I don't know the timeline.

After this realization, Patty contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigations on Dec. 17 through the number that was posted at the bottom of Cheryl Berreth’s televised plea for help. Michelle immediately called Krystal to let her know, but she wasn’t surprised.

“The FBI was at Krystal’s house,” Patty said. “They had a search warrant and someone of the FBI was at her property. She knew that Michelle would more than likely get called because there was so many phone calls and text messages back and forth in fact some about this incident.” bbm
Part Two: Twin Falls couple discusses tough call to FBI

 

[InvSmith]

I agree as far as the condo. No matter how you look at it though, PF's one known love interest and one suspected love interest did not live with him and he didn't live with them AFAWK. I'm not saying he was celibate, just that he was not interested in living with/marrying these two. And yes, a lot of adults do move back home, often for financial reasons. One thing I do know, if he and KB really wanted to be married or living together, they would have found a way. I think it's pretty obvious he would rather live with Mom than anybody. And yes, it is kind of weird that a 32 year old man who does have plenty of ladies interested in him prefers to keep women at a distance. MOO.

This is gut feel but I think KB might have insisted on being married first prior to him moving in permanently and/or had determined he was not ever going to be godly enough to marry. This is still a real big requirement in religious families. The pregnancy was unplanned but the living together was not going to happen.

 

[InvSmith]

Are you saying that the R's claimed there were texts to the Berreth's from KB's phone on 11/25? If so, I need to go back and listen again. I don't remember that.
MOO

What? She sent text to the B's!!!!!!!!! This had crossed my mind then I erased the thought. No one could do that to a mother right?! You have to be kidding me. Lock her up! Lock her up!

 

[InvSmith]

Brother of KB calls the R's f#@%.... monsters! Well, there you go. Case closed on what the family thinks of their character.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

 

[scmom]

Yes.
If KB were dead, he would get custody of the baby girl. He would have money coming in via baby girl's inheritance (KB's life insurance, house, etc). A lot of the inheritance would be in a trust fund that baby girl would inherit when she turned 21, but PF would still get money to support baby girl.

imo moo

I agree, the financial motive seems logical from PF's perspective.

 

[SoVeryMe]

Brother of KB calls the R's f#@%.... monsters! Well, there you go. Case closed on what the family thinks of their character.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before
her death | Daily Mail Online

Right?! There won’t be any teary hugs of gratitude on behalf of the Bs.......for the Rs to even assume the Bs would want to meet them is beyond presumptuous and ridiculous.

 

[Hatfield]

This has been discussed repeatedly.
Anyone know if Colorado law allows a deal w/o an arrest?
I can’t wrap my head around that.
If I’m in “trouble” but not arrested, why would I make a deal? Tysm, anyone that knows

Sometimes a deal is made for immunity/reduced charges even before an arrest and I can guarantee it because we had a case here with that happening.

The Holly Bobo case. If I remember right, the guy that ultimately (allegedly) committed suicide in Florida had a deal like that. No charges were initially ever brought down on him and he definitely had some sort of formal deal with LE. He was still free and on his own when he ended up dead in Florida.

 

[jesusismyhope]

Brother of KB calls the R's f#@%.... monsters! Well, there you go. Case closed on what the family thinks of their character.

Couple who exposed Patrick Frazee knew he planned to murder Kelsey Berreth weeks before her death | Daily Mail Online

I am glad the brother is exposing them for what they are!

Is there any way they could be charged as well as accomplices? I am guessing since they are attorneys it would be hard to do so, they'll probably find a loophole in their favor.