CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[dixiegirl1035]

Is 209 a condo? Thought it was the A frame.

I thought condo was a legal term. Are those two terms mutually exclusive? Can't an A-frame design be a condo?

 

[mustloveco]

I'm sure an a frame can be a condo,
However I thought you mean specifically in that little cluster of condos with a neighbor attached. The A frame
Is not
Attached to a neighbor.

 

[InvSmith]

• The next bullet is 100% JMO IMHO MOO etc
• MSM articles (all links contained in WS media and discussion threads) give conflicting information on PF and KK's history, either it began in 2016 at a rodeo, or +/- 14 years ago after high school graduation. As reports and PHOTOS emerge, I tend to believe this toxic twosome has been at this for the longer duration, encompassing the birth years of both her children and baby KB. "Patrick told Krystal that little girls go missing off the playground all the time" -- this has considerable weight, as PF absolutely removed baby KB from her mother, demonstrating he could also remove KK's toddler daughter from her if KK didn't cooperate with "the plan". He may feel equally entitled to TAKE both daughters if he believed they were both his. This could explain the reality of the "hold" that the R's said PF had over her.
• <modsnip: name variations or derogatory changes not allowed>
• Lastly, it would've been an honor to know KB. I'm drawn to her happy photos and family/friend accounts of her ways and personality. I'm going with: downright loveable.

<modsnip>

May you make you second point so we can get your flow. Totally see where you are going. Very good thought on daughters.

 

[InvSmith]

Jealousy motive with a hint of threat, got it.

 

[InvSmith]

it's here-https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/co-kelsey-berreth-29-woodland-park-teller-county-22-nov-2018-31-arrest.412961/page-2#post-14726937

Her initials legally are KL?

 

[enelram]

This biggest drug epidemic WAS opioids, several years ago. The media and the DEA have not caught up with the times. Opioids used to be prescribed willy nilly, back when so-called "pain pill clinics" were popular. Since federal regulation has put stricter prescribing rules on opioids and the majority of those clinics have closed (while actual pain management centers which use a variety of pain management methods continue to stay open), opioids have become harder and hard to get. The current epidemic is homemade Fentanyl-laced heroin, meth, and old-fashioned heroin. In most places, it is now easier and much cheaper to buy heroin off the streets than it is to buy opioids. It used to be that small towns and rural communities were seeing opioid abuse and never saw heroin. That has flipped. Heroin is everywhere now.

You're right- the new killer is Heroin w/ Fentanyl
I've been told in my area the drug dealers were selling Heroin/
Fentanyl for $5. dose so it's no wonder about all the deaths.

 

[susiQ]

How about support for Kelsey? What about what her family is going through? Seriously. I just want to throw up.

@AgeofAquaruis Absolutely agree with you. The only reason I posted that link was to clear up some confusion regarding whether KK had two sons or a son and daughter. I didn't succeed. It was in no way meant to rally any support for someone who is in my opinion, indefensible. The woman singing her praises really doesn't know KK as well as she thinks.

 

[kay74]

The people who think PF is innocent should know, Kelsey's parents would not have filed a civil lawsuit after knowing the facts, if he was innocent. <modsnip>

 

[kay74]

You're right- the new killer is Heroin w/ Fentanyl
I've been told in my area the drug dealers were selling Heroin/
Fentanyl for $5. dose so it's no wonder about all the deaths.

Terrible! It's flooding this country.

 

[susiQ]

Many, many people are interpreting that statement (that PF told KK that "little girls go missing off the playground all the time") as a threat by PF to KK, that PF would hurt KK or her children if she did not do what he wanted her to do, but I'm going to suggest a different interpretation.

Bear with me, as it will take a little bit to explain. Also, once we get a particular interpretation in our heads, it is very difficult change our perspective to consider a different interpretation, so please try to keep an open mind.

The statement by the Rs was made in this interview with local news correspondent Nikki Battiste-- Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

The local Twin Falls TV station, KMVT, indicated that the Rs sat down for a 45-minute interview, and when they broadcast it in three parts, the total of the actual interviewer questions and JR/PR answers was just a few frustrating minutes. The interview was obviously highly edited, from 45-minutes down to just a few, and we do not know if the questions and answers were broadcast in order.

I am going to suggest that the questions and answers as broadcast were taken out of order, or that the questions were asked in such a disorganized way as to make context hard to discern. I think we can glean the appropriate context if key elements of the interview are put in the following order---

Battiste: "From what KK said, what was PF's motive?"​

PR: "That he felt that KB was going to harm the child; that she was crazy."

Battiste: "Do you know what the threats were?"

PR: "PF told KK that little girls go missing off the playground all the time."
​

To put this another way, I think that PF went to KK and told her that he was concerned that KB was mentally unstable and that he was afraid that KB was going to harm the child in some way. PF told KK that he needed her to help him protect the child from something he claimed he feared KB would do to the child.

So if the interview questions and answers are seen in this light, we might consider that PF did not threaten to harm KK or her children, but he persuaded her by claiming that the child would be harmed if they didn't act.

EDITED TO ADD: Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that what PF supposedly said to KK was correct. I'm not saying anything bad about KB. I'm not saying I think she had mental health issues or that I think that she might harm her child, or that I think she was anything other than a fine mother. All I'm saying is that I think PF told KK those things.

Wow! That is an interesting alternative perspective and I will keep this in mind. I also have seen interviews so chopped up that they barely resemble the original and taking these sound bites out of context can give a completely distorted view of what what actually said. Hmmm.......food for thought!

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Many, many people are interpreting that statement (that PF told KK that "little girls go missing off the playground all the time") as a threat by PF to KK, that PF would hurt KK or her children if she did not do what he wanted her to do, but I'm going to suggest a different interpretation.

Bear with me, as it will take a little bit to explain. Also, once we get a particular interpretation in our heads, it is very difficult change our perspective to consider a different interpretation, so please try to keep an open mind.

The statement by the Rs was made in this interview with local news correspondent Nikki Battiste-- Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

The local Twin Falls TV station, KMVT, indicated that the Rs sat down for a 45-minute interview, and when they broadcast it in three parts, the total of the actual interviewer questions and JR/PR answers was just a few frustrating minutes. The interview was obviously highly edited, from 45-minutes down to just a few, and we do not know if the questions and answers were broadcast in order.

I am going to suggest that the questions and answers as broadcast were taken out of order, or that the questions were asked in such a disorganized way as to make context hard to discern. I think we can glean the appropriate context if key elements of the interview are put in the following order---

Battiste: "From what KK said, what was PF's motive?"​

PR: "That he felt that KB was going to harm the child; that she was crazy."

Battiste: "Do you know what the threats were?"

PR: "PF told KK that little girls go missing off the playground all the time."
​

To put this another way, I think that PF went to KK and told her that he was concerned that KB was mentally unstable and that he was afraid that KB was going to harm the child in some way. PF told KK that he needed her to help him protect the child from something he claimed he feared KB would do to the child.

So if the interview questions and answers are seen in this light, we might consider that PF did not threaten to harm KK or her children, but he persuaded her by claiming that the child would be harmed if they didn't act.

EDITED TO ADD: Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that what PF supposedly said to KK was correct. I'm not saying anything bad about KB. I'm not saying I think she had mental health issues or that I think that she might harm her child, or that I think she was anything other than a fine mother. All I'm saying is that I think PF told KK those things.

That makes sense. Still does not excuse KK participating, plus I wouldn't exactly trust what she said. I still think she hated KK for getting pregnant by PF, and ruining her dream of being with PF.
She went through all the trouble of getting a divorce for PF, only to have to go back to her ex. Pining for PF the entire time.
Sadly most of all. One is left to wonder about paternity of at least one of KK's children born during that time.
It's such a tragic,horrible mess.
I do believe there are more than two people involved.
The long arm of the law is coming for them. It is highly suggested they come forward, and confess truthfully, and make easier on LE,and themselves.
the FBI,CBI,and DA are not playing.

 

[Trudie]

The people who think PF is innocent should know, Kelsey's parents would not have filed a civil lawsuit after knowing the facts, if he was innocent. <modsnip>

P is innocent, at this moment. He’s not had a trial to prove him guilty. We’ve not heard the evidence.

Imo, the civil suit was filed for a particular reason. A reason we are not privy to.
Jmo

 

[Trudie]

Yes, if everyone drove a Fiat 500, five cars could fit. Kelsey's second vehicle was a pickup truck. Patrick's truck has a double cab and a full-size bed.

Unless the person “blocked in” wishes to leave & the person blocking them refuses to move his vehicle, imo, no one is blocked in. We’ve all been in a situation, I think, where we asked someone to move their car to allow us out.
I always park behind a vehicle when I pull in a driveway. Or I park in front of a garage, a garage containing a car. I’m not intentionally “blocking” a vehicle, I’m simply parking where my car fits. Moo

 

[mtnlites]

P is innocent, at this moment. He’s not had a trial to prove him guilty. We’ve not heard the evidence.

Imo, the civil suit was filed for a particular reason. A reason we are not privy to.
Jmo

BBM

He is "innocent" in a legal sense. Charges have still been filed so speculation continues.

 

[Penny4YourThoughts]

That makes sense. Still does not excuse KK participating, plus I wouldn't exactly trust what she said. I still think she hated KK for getting pregnant by PF, and ruining her dream of being with PF.
She went through all the trouble of getting a divorce for PF, only to have to go back to her ex. Pining for PF the entire time.
Sadly most of all. One is left to wonder about paternity of at least one of KK's children born during that time.
It's such a tragic,horrible mess.
I do believe there are more than two people involved.
The long arm of the law is coming for them. It is highly suggested they come forward, and confess truthfully, and make easier on LE,and themselves.
the FBI,CBI,and DA are not playing.

^^^ good post ^^^

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

@AgeofAquaruis Absolutely agree with you. The only reason I posted that link was to clear up some confusion regarding whether KK had two sons or a son and daughter. I didn't succeed. It was in no way meant to rally any support for someone who is in my opinion, indefensible. The woman singing her praises really doesn't know KK as well as she thinks.

I know my anger is not at all aimed at you. It's for the people talking,and gushing over <modsnip - demeaning nickname > and others that have spoken to the media, Including CK <modsnip> and this Rodeo Association Friend.
So concerned with what the public think of them, PF,and KK with absolutely Zero concern for KB,or her family.

 

[Dave F.]

It would be easy enough to check flight plan filings on the dates/areas involved. I'm not so sure about a complicit pilot though. Anything is possible...but the more folks involved, the more likely someone is going to talk. I think most people feel driving is a more private means of travel. We all know that with receipt trails, surveillance cameras,ets..that just isnt the truth..but it feels like the truth.

By rule, pilots should file a flight plan for every flight, but many private pilots of small planes don't. There is no enforcement Likewise, there are seven classes of airfield/airport ranging from 1st (Denver International) to 7 (bladed strip, windsock, rudimentary safety elements for takeoff and landing). Point A to Point B can be from ranch to ranch. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of small planes hangered or tied down across the west. If a small plane has the right navigation/communication system, it will be tracked and can be identified by it's call sign. The night before last, I tracked one flying directly over Gooding, Idaho on planefinder.net. If it does not have the equipment, or has it turned off, it's just up there all alone, like almost like Charles Lindbergh.
IMO

 

[Noharg]

Many, many people are interpreting that statement (that PF told KK that "little girls go missing off the playground all the time") as a threat by PF to KK, that PF would hurt KK or her children if she did not do what he wanted her to do, but I'm going to suggest a different interpretation.

Bear with me, as it will take a little bit to explain. Also, once we get a particular interpretation in our heads, it is very difficult change our perspective to consider a different interpretation, so please try to keep an open mind.

The statement by the Rs was made in this interview with local news correspondent Nikki Battiste-- Idaho woman had relationship with fiancé of missing Colorado mom, couple claims

The local Twin Falls TV station, KMVT, indicated that the Rs sat down for a 45-minute interview, and when they broadcast it in three parts, the total of the actual interviewer questions and JR/PR answers was just a few frustrating minutes. The interview was obviously highly edited, from 45-minutes down to just a few, and we do not know if the questions and answers were broadcast in order.

I am going to suggest that the questions and answers as broadcast were taken out of order, or that the questions were asked in such a disorganized way as to make context hard to discern. I think we can glean the appropriate context if key elements of the interview are put in the following order---

Battiste: "From what KK said, what was PF's motive?"​

PR: "That he felt that KB was going to harm the child; that she was crazy."

Battiste: "Do you know what the threats were?"

PR: "PF told KK that little girls go missing off the playground all the time."
​

To put this another way, I think that PF went to KK and told her that he was concerned that KB was mentally unstable and that he was afraid that KB was going to harm the child in some way. PF told KK that he needed her to help him protect the child from something he claimed he feared KB would do to the child.

So if the interview questions and answers are seen in this light, we might consider that PF did not threaten to harm KK or her children, but he persuaded her by claiming that the child would be harmed if they didn't act.

EDITED TO ADD: Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that what PF supposedly said to KK was correct. I'm not saying anything bad about KB. I'm not saying I think she had mental health issues or that I think that she might harm her child, or that I think she was anything other than a fine mother. All I'm saying is that I think PF told KK those things.

JMO, who knows IF he said it and IF the statement falls under hearsay or would be an exception.

Colorado Evidence Rules See 802 and 803
http://www.jdporterlaw.com/legal-authority/colorado-rules-evidence/


MOO

 

[jewelsmac]

By rule, pilots should file a flight plan for every flight, but many private pilots of small planes don't. There is no enforcement Likewise, there are seven classes of airfield/airport ranging from 1st (Denver International) to 7 (bladed strip, windsock, rudimentary safety elements for takeoff and landing). Point A to Point B can be from ranch to ranch. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of small planes hangered or tied down across the west. If a small plane has the right navigation/communication system, it will be tracked and can be identified by it's call sign. The night before last, I tracked one flying directly over Gooding, Idaho on planefinder.net. If it does not have the equipment, or has it turned off, it's just up there all alone, like almost like Charles Lindbergh.
IMO

True enough if they used a non towered flight field or not using IFR. I have no idea what the weather conditions were that day. Or any of the days we’re talking about. Just seems to me to be unlikely

 

[Dave F.]

REVISED--
There are 6 spots available in front of KB's condo. See my simulation below.
KB had 2 vehicles. PF had one red truck.
He did not have to block her in my opinion.


imo

KB's two vehicles were parked in the two spots closest to her door. The next door neighbor opposite her door saw what she saw between 12:30 and 1:00 pm. No one else saw anything. The keys to both vehicles were either in the condo or in the purse, which were both under the control of the perpetrator at the point a body would have been removed. He/she could have parked anywhere they felt like parking, as there are no witnesses to even hint further location.
In the cases I have studied, murderers rarely pay much attention to details like who usually parks where and whose nose is glued to the window. They just do it.
IMO