CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #32 *ARREST*

[Penny4YourThoughts]

I’m pretty sure KB had two cars of her own...

True, Jess! KB kept her sedan and her red truck in her condo spots (PF also had a red truck, until he murdered KB & the popo had to seize it. I hope he's sofa king miserable btw).

 

[WildWest]

True, Jess! KB kept her sedan and her red truck in her condo spots (PF also had a red truck, until he murdered KB & the popo had to seize it. I hope he's sofa king miserable btw).

Thank you, that is what I understood too, but I'm not able to read all the posts here incase that turned out incorrect.

ETA, @Gardener1850 I looked at the FAA link you posted and it's interesting.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

And for once in his life a petite, smart female stood up to him and told him how it's gonna be. KB was well over him. Done.
She was moving on up and leaving him behind.
He couldn't handle it. He always was able to run women ragged.
His way or the highway. Not this time. She upped him and
good. In his mind he had to eradicate the big bad witch that
made him feel small and insignificant. Which deep down
he knew he always was.

And he had the perfect helper, jealous of the woman who dared have a baby with him.
MOO

 

[justpeachy22]

And for once in his life a petite, smart female stood up to him and told him how it's gonna be. KB was well over him. Done.
She was moving on up and leaving him behind.
He couldn't handle it. He always was able to run women ragged.
His way or the highway. Not this time. She upped him and
good. In his mind he had to eradicate the big bad witch that
made him feel small and insignificant. Which deep down
he knew he always was.

I’m not convinced KB was done with PF. And I’m not convinced she had given up on him. She told her mother she and Pf had plans for Thanksgiving (his setup for her, likely). I believe she cooked those cinammon rolls for him and was at the store for foods to make for the two/three of them. No one else that we know of has come forward saying they had Tday plans with KB. I think she had given him reason to believe she might move back home with baby which put him in panic mode at the idea of losing baby girl, but I don’t think she was “well over him”.

 

[cluciano63]

And for once in his life a petite, smart female stood up to him and told him how it's gonna be. KB was well over him. Done.
She was moving on up and leaving him behind.
He couldn't handle it. He always was able to run women ragged.
His way or the highway. Not this time. She upped him and
good. In his mind he had to eradicate the big bad witch that
made him feel small and insignificant. Which deep down
he knew he always was.

KB gave no signs that she was "over PF" that we know of...just the opposite in fact. I think it is tempting to think that, for her sake. But there is no proof of it.

 

[GordianKnot]

I’m not convinced KB was done with PF. And I’m not convinced she had given up on him. She told her mother she and Pf had plans for Thanksgiving (his setup for her, likely). I believe she cooked those cinammon rolls for him and was at the store for foods to make for the two/three of them. No one else that we know of has come forward saying they had Tday plans with KB. I think she had given him reason to believe she might move back home with baby which put him in panic mode at the idea of losing baby girl, but I don’t think she was “well over him”.

It would be helpful to know if PF's truck was seen parked at KB's overnight and/or as frequently in the months leading up to her murder as it was say, before September; if so, that certainly would point toward the PF/KB "relationship" still being on.

It may just be wishful thinking on my part that KB had given him the heave-ho long ago. She was a bright woman.

Then again, "The heart has its reasons of which reason knows nothing."

Poor KB. Justice is coming.

 

[Mercedes]

You may very well be right. Hopefully, we'll find out what PF's motive was at trial.

One thing I will say: I'd rather take up permanent residence at 112 Ocean Ave., Amityville, NY, than to spend one single night under the roof of the F's ranchette.

Somethin' ain't right there, IMO.

There's a reason the court placed Baby K with KB's parents vs. with PF's mother at the ranchette.

Sorry, Gordian! It sold in 2017.

 

[mustloveco]

Here is the MSM link for the video that I posted above. It is from the news station KRDO.
Missing Woodland Park mother requested time off work

I don't want to belabor this parking issue. It became like
the endless discussion of what KB could have bought at the liquor store.

According to the neighbor, there were other parking places available for PF to park hs truck on Thanksgiving and that there was another car parked next to hers. Was that the killer(s) car or rental car?

IMO MOO

im sooo curious about the car driven by KK or the killer as well

 

[InvSmith]

And he had the perfect helper, jealous of the woman who dared have a baby with him.
MOO

So true.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Full moon coming up so I’m really praying something big shakes loose in this case! Maybe she’ll be arrested? Maybe Kelsey will be found? Maybe a confession?

 

[InvSmith]

Welcome to WS @acutename !

Off topic, but I envision you sitting down to create your WS profile, and having seen member user names
like PommyMommy etc., thinking to yourself, “What name can I choose? I need a cute name...need a cute name. Aha! Got it!”

Cracks me up!

Welcome and cute name! You bring up some great points. 1. Did PF participate in her prenatal visits? I remember Scott Peterson being off about these and not wanting to feel the baby move. It is something to think on. 2. It is absolutely true how much Baby K is identical to KB. If it is proven he did commit homicide, boy, will she be a reminder. All great points.

 

[GordianKnot]

Full moon coming up so I’m really praying something big shakes loose in this case! Maybe she’ll be arrested? Maybe Kelsey will be found? Maybe a confession?

YR, a trifecta would be so wonderful!

Realistically, though, I'm with Meat Loaf.

I'm eagerly anticipating an(other) arrest and KB's remains being located.

 

[InvSmith]

My guess is they they did allot of borrowing of vehicles and delegating of disposal 'tasks'. MOO!

I love how the police automatically had coverage on PF but management at the waste management center also recognized PF and called in. Good citizens wanting KB home and their town safe.

 

[InvSmith]

ITA. They didn't go back to KB's place until the dump run. Someone/s must have done a bang up job cleaning KB's place, hiding, moving evidence. They had 10 days to send fake, text etc. Before CB filed report. They must have thought they got away with it. then sniffing around began, press conferences, and the scramble began to dump everything. Because eventually they would sniff around places other than PF's homestead.
MOO.

I have always thought PF and associates felt they had more time due to the ten day delay and Idaho plan. I think the quick arrest probably disrupted clean-up plans as well as other masterminded maneuvers none of us could phantom.

 

[InvSmith]

I like them both! There is a thread here that has sayings by ws, and perhaps we should add them both?

Oh and don't forget ONS, from a few threads back.

I keep thinking about what could have happened in September or before that made him want her dead but specifically NOT the baby.

Something is going on in my RL ( I think that one is on the thread of short terms and it means real life) made me think of another situation.

Did either of them have someone close to them leave an inheritance back at that time, and perhaps the beneficiary was the child?

And if he had control over the child, he would then have control over those Monies vs. KB?

As Joe Kenda says, there are three reasons for murder.

Why isn't Joe Kenda on this? We love him on the East Coast.

 

[mustloveco]

I have always thought PF and associates felt they had more time due to the ten day delay and Idaho plan. I think the quick arrest probably disrupted clean-up plans as well as other masterminded maneuvers none of us could phantom.

Like moving one of her cars some place else.

 

[InvSmith]

We can't think like murderers do, yet we keep trying to figure out why murder seemed like a solution to whatever PF considered to be his problem. I remember that Laci's mother Sharon couldn't fathom why Scott didn't just seek a divorce. PF's motive could have been as simple as he wanted to break up with KB, (and had gone so far as to tell people that he had), and didn't want to deal with co-parenting as rational-thinking people do.

I studied Scott Peterson for years (every word spoken) and taught statement analysis to the government using him in several cases studies. We unfortunately do not have a lot of statements from PF for comparison but these individuals do share some similarities. The apparent double-lives. The ability to be convincing. Jobs that allow maximum flexibility. A level of charm. A level of superficiality. Close relationship with a stronger mother figure. In a relationship with strong successful female type, both attractive women with soon to be infant or young child. High responsibility.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Like moving one of her cars some place else.

I actually wondered initially whether PF might have used one of KB's own vehicles to transport her wherever. I suppose they might have travelled in each other's vehicles on occasion, so presence of DNA in either direction wouldn't be worrisome, but that way the HRD dogs would alert on her rig rather than his, allowing him to claim innocence. I gave up that idea after LE didn't appear to return his Toyota, but I still think it's an interesting option.

 

[allboys]

Although I’ve been following much of this case on WS since the beginning, I remember I missed part of a thread when there was discussion on how a body could have been taken out of the house (different sized containers etc.) So, it’s possible that this has already been theorized and I missed it.

*Now, I’ve already explained why I think CB mentioned the Christmas tree, so PLEASE, let’s not start up that whole discussion again. I already mentioned that I believe CB mentioned the Christmas tree just to show that KB was was looking forward to Christmas even though she did not yet have a tree up. (I felt this was in effort to shut down the suicide speculation). *

With Colorado being a very “outdoorsy” state, I don’t know if it’s not very common for people to have artificial trees, but I would think some people use them?

Personally, I grew up having a fresh tree every year. But one year when my kids were very young, and we were going to be out West for a wedding during Christmastime, we accepted my in-laws offer of an artificial tree they were no longer using. That way we didn’t have to worry about the tree drying out while we were out of town etc. In subsequent years, to my chagrin, we have not gone back to a fresh tree.

Now, I’m assuming artificial trees originally come in a big box. But ours was given to us in a big bag with handles. Dark green. Tarp-like material. Durable. Big. And I hate to type this, but all of a sudden it occurred to me tonight how it’s very much like a body bag, with the zipper closure. Because of the bag’s construction, it seems like it would be easy enough for a man PF’s size, to sling overhead into a dumpster. Also, I just don’t think neighbors would think anything of seeing an artificial tree BOX going in or out of a house IF someone happened to get caught by an unexpected onlooker. (Though unfortunately, I strongly doubt any such witnessing took place, no matter how the body was removed.)

Anyway, this is just a random thought that popped in my head tonight, that I hadn’t considered before. Forgive me if I’m bringing up old conversation. I guess the landfill search news got me thinking again about how KB’s body might have been removed/transported.

 

[Hexe7]

KB gave no signs that she was "over PF" that we know of...just the opposite in fact. I think it is tempting to think that, for her sake. But there is no proof of it.

I agree we have no proof and her telling her Mom she has plans with him for the Holiday shows she at least wanted to be close friends- but her buying her own Condo/townhome in May tells me that they were not “together “ and likely not getting married... jmo
That being said I being said - I can buy the story that he was “dumped “ or that at minimum she was moving on... moo