CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

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?mysterian? said:
Plus lose her nursing license, in any and all forms. She wouldn't be able to work as a RN, LPN, or CNA.
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Is this a given or only if she' incarcerated? That's why I'm worried
she will only plead to a very minimal crime. Attorneys usually
try to avoid client losing their means of earning a living especially
since she's now a single parent.
 
I know it's horrible that PF killed KB, but why does it feel so much worse that KKL knew he was soliciting KB's murder and did nothing? I'm so sad that KKL not only did nothing, but that she participated in at least the cover up. It's all so tragic.
 
Mom24 said:
I know it's horrible that PF killed KB, but why does it feel so much worse that KKL knew he was soliciting KB's murder and did nothing? I'm so sad that KKL not only did nothing, but that she participated in at least the cover up. It's all so tragic.
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I think because we KNOW he wanted her dead so it stings that someone else who seemingly had no real reason to also want her dead knew about it and didn't say anything, even if she really didn't take part in the murder itself.
 
?mysterian? said:
Plus lose her nursing license, in any and all forms. She wouldn't be able to work as a RN, LPN, or CNA.
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That is up to the state licensing board, usually, they will suspend for a year or two, and if she is working, if they don't suspend, they make someone else sign off on her paperwork, supervision.

It actually annoys me quite a bit, because look at the issues of integrity here...major credibility issues. But, licensing boards are unusually lenient IMO.
 
Mom24 said:
Just to clarify, don't any deals include being completely honest? In other words, if she lied about anything the deal is off the table and she would be subject to harsh charges?
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Pretty much.

I think the focus of LE/DA is really on the principal here. PF. I think they know for the most part what happened and how and are solidifying their evidence.

I agree with @riolove77 that it's unlikely the woman actually participated in the murder but wasn't arrested. Unless they just didn't have evidence to show that. But she told someone about the solicitations, before the murder, so it seems she was probably freaked out to some degree.

I'm not giving her a pass though. I think she's a sleazy, opportunistic criminal with extremely low moral character, willing to participate in a terrible crime against another woman and mom. And not because she was afraid. I think she wanted the "man".

But IMO justice is being served here. He's the prime goal. And she will face more justice than the legal system will mete out.

So it's not perfect but I'm very satisfied. And excited about this development.
 
gitana1 said:
What's odd to me is after watching LE/DA work this case why anyone would be that skeptical and cynical.

What on earth has LE/DA done to show they're not working this case in an impeccable fashion, such that they merit the public needing to wait and see whether they've blown this insanely high profile case to smithereens with a crummy plea deal?

DA is an elected position in the county. They're prosecuting one of their own, a good ol' boy, for the murder of a victim who hails from out of state and who no one in CO really knew. We've already seen on these threads how defensive some can be about one of their own. Yet the DA is going full bore. Knowing it's an elected position.

I'm confused by the attitude.

It would make sense if this was a DA that had a long history of blowing it in cases or if they'd already tragically blown a super high profile case in the recent past. Then I would get the, "Hey I am not in law enforcement and have no idea about the process but I'm going to have to go ahead and wait for them to prove to me they didn't blow this and haven't created a serious miscarriage of justice here."

I'm really not understanding the logic here. Does this DA have a terrible history? Help me out.
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I don't know of soul that would EVER be able to trust her for anything ever again. And she should never again be at peace with herself.

I am still hoping the law will mete out a rightful punishment for her though.
 
enelram said:
Is this a given or only if she' incarcerated? That's why I'm worried
she will only plead to a very minimal crime. Attorneys usually
try to avoid client losing their means of earning a living especially
since she's now a single parent.
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I'm not sure, I would think it depends on the Idaho Board of Nursing.

I would hope any nurse involved in a murder case would lose their nursing license, especially if charged with a crime, but I don't know how the ID BON operates. Do they need a complaint before they investigate, or has this case been sufficiently publicized that they would investigate?
 
gitana1 said:
No, it's more like her testimony would be the final nail in the coffin which could prevent a rogue juror from deciding, "I like him. He's a good ol' boy. I identify with him. Or wish that I did. Or I want to date him. And I dislike the victim. Because she's female. And she rubs me the wrong way. Therefore he can't have committed a crime."

We saw a lot of that in the Watts family case. Many people required a full confession AND plea before they would agree that CW killed his family. Despite the absolute avalanche of evidence against the guy.

So it's crucial to have as much evidence as possible. Make it iron clad.

I believe there is no way that the state of CO would've arrested and charged PF with murder, without a body, unless there was a ton of evidence.

But there are some kooks out there who let their feelings override logic and they may be jurors.

I don't have a problem with this apparent plea deal.
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I agree with your overall premise about this plea deal with KL and why they’re doing it. As to your comments about the Watts case, I never saw those “many people” you reference. Pretty much everyone in my book thought it was more likely than not that he did it, prior to him confessing. But “more likely than not” is not the standard for a juror. If I’m looking at the “avalanche” of evidence through a juror’s lens, what do I see? An affair, sure. Financial problems, sure. Alienation of affection. But those things don’t make a murderer. If they did, Brandon Bevers would be in prison right now in another case.

Those things don’t rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt. Without a body, without anyone else helping and being willing to talk, without him soliciting or talking about murder in the past, there is nothing that rises to that level until either he confessed, or LE found the bodies on their own. Unless you remember pieces of evidence that I don’t?
 
gitana1 said:
Pretty much.

I think the focus of LE/DA is really on the principal here. PF. I think they know for the most part what happened and how and are solidifying their evidence.

I agree with @riolove77 that it's unlikely the woman actually participated in the murder but wasn't arrested. Unless they just didn't have evidence to show that. But she told someone about the solicitations, before the murder, so it seems she was probably freaked out to some degree.

I'm not giving her a pass though. I think she's a sleazy, opportunistic criminal with extremely low moral character, willing to participate in a terrible crime against another woman and mom. And not because she was afraid. I think she wanted the "man".

But IMO justice is being served here. He's the prime goal. And she will face more justice than the legal system will mete out.

So it's not perfect but I'm very satisfied. And excited about this development.
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Agreed. It's an imperfect and unpredictable system. Sometimes they have to dance with the devil to get to the end goal, which is convicting PF. In my experience and opinion ONLY DA's don't always like the pleas they give either. I've known many who go home sick at night. They are doing the best they can with what they have to hold PF accountable. He's the big fish to fry. We don't have to like her plea, just have to remember it's for the greater good.

All MOO
 
I can honestly say that I expected a plea deal from her, but don't like the implications of a lighter sentence because of it. That's just me! She's as involved as PF as far as I am concerned because she had all the opportunity in the world to tell the POLICE instead of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend. Total BS IMO
 
Yellow Rose said:
I don't know of soul that would EVER be able to trust her for anything ever again. And she should never again be at peace with herself.

I am still hoping the law will mete out a rightful punishment for her though.
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I think a lot of her future consequence will depend upon the details of how she was an accessory. Did she know whose phone it was? Did he hand her the phone and say, don’t ask questions, just drive back toward home and dispose of this along the way? Or did he hide the phone in her belongings and call her when she was already hundreds of miles away and make up some lame story about the phone? Or, did she know all along and did she knowingly compose or at least send the texts?

There’s a lot about her I still need to know before I write KL off for the rest of her life.
 
lindaromas said:
Then why the heck didn't she stay in Idaho and report the *******? Instead she drove right to him, makes no sense!
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I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here for a moment because I don't think we have anything saying this didn't happen this way.
Most people her are implying KKL drove 800 miles to get a phone, and drove 800 miles back home. Making it hard to buy that she was afraid of PF. We don't know when KKL got to Colorado. Maybe she showed up, on invitation by PF, while KB was still alive. He invites KKL to visit, and tells her to hang out at his house, or a hotel, or wherever, because he needs to go get his daughter from KB (who he's seemed to tell several people he broke up with, so KKL probably thinks this too). He leaves, and when he returns, with child, he tells KKL he killed KB, and she needs to dispose of this phone (or some evidence). Well now she realizes he really was serious about killing her, and she's in the room with him...and really is afraid. So she agrees to do what he asked.
This seems a lot more plausible, to me, than driving 800 miles to pick up a dead person's phone, or to assist in a murder. If this story holds weight, she should have left with the phone - directly to the police. But, we also don't know she drove to Colorado with the intention of KB dying, and her hiding evidence. She may have gotten caught up in it, after she was already in Colorado.
 
enelram said:
To our attorneys-
Who decides what punishment KKL gets? The judge?
And when will she be sentenced?
Is she free til sentencing?
Thank You.
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If the deal is for a specific amount of time, the DA will communicate that to the judge, who will order it. Typically there’s some room, if it’s a range and nothing has been set, the DA can recommend a sentence and the judge can enforce it or select a different amount of time. In this case, I suspect they’ve laid out the amount of time she will be serving so it’ll be a matter of custom to enforce it.

If you recall, in the watts case, the deal was for LWOP and CW knew that going into his plea, and that’s what the judge sentenced him to.
 
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