CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #34 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

BBM: Swell. Guess we can all sleep easy tonight.

If where we've arrived as a society is at a place where we're comfortable with considering a person complicit in a murder being told to hang up their scrubs as having received their just punishment, I'm going to find me a deserted island somewhere and pound coconuts.

Who said that anyone would be comfortable with that? It’s the least of her concerns.

You missed the last part:

“I just hope she isn’t going to be a free woman for a long time.”

 

[gitana1]

Hmmm okay. I am not aware of any cases solved by WS. I thought that was LE’s job. The brainstorming is fine. And I am all for the prosecution here. I still don’t like plea deals

Yup. WS members have indeed solved cases. Mostly UID's. In fact, one member actually found evidence the state missed (in the Casey Anthony case) that would've been pivotal.

But yeah, it's the job of LE. They are the pros. They don't rely on us. However, this site is for us amateurs to try and discuss and try to figure out things with the info we have, which is typically minimal compared with what the authorities have.

But this is a pro LE site. We don't tend to start from the position that LE is stupid, inept or making unreasonable deals and that we know better than them.

 

[MsBetsy]

IMO, I think it is more that the DA is human and can make a mistake.

Well, yes, but why would we assume that they would make a mistake? Is there some reason to think they made a mistake in this case?

 

[gitana1]

Why do you think a mistake is being made?

Yeah, the question for me is why people are so quick to assume a mistake or stupid deal is being made by these impressive pros.

 

[jaspermac]

If she had a very serious charge, like murder, Colorado would issue a warrant, and Twin Falls would pick her up on it, if they were aware she was in their jurisdiction.

Maybe @gitana1 can answer this.

My understanding is that there is no need to extradite someone from one state to another if they are co-operating and agreeing to go on their own, regardless of the charge.

 

[Mom24]

I am certain the Human Resources department of the hospital wanted to fire KKL from day one but had to wait for just cause. They have it and they did it. So glad.

We can only guess they terminated her employment. KL may have quit, or been advised to quit. I'm interested to see what happens when the nursing board reviews her.

 

[kay74]

Yup. WS members have indeed solved cases. Mostly UID's. In fact, one member actually found evidence the state missed (in the Casey Anthony case) that would've been pivotal.

But yeah, it's the job of LE. They are the pros. They don't rely on us. However, this site is for us amateurs to try and discuss and try to figure out things with the info we have, which is typically minimal compared with what the authorities have.

But this is a pro LE site. We don't tend to start from the position that LE is stupid, inept or making unreasonable deals and that we know better than them.

"Pros" Are not always "Pros" I have seen this in my own life. Really stupid prosecutors/DAs. Just because they have a degree doesn't mean they are smart, trust me.

 

[MyBelle]

IMO, I think it is more that the DA is human and can make a mistake.

I don't believe this is a mistake. I'm confident the feds can and will charge KL if she is the one who sent the texts impersonating KB.

JMO

 

[Mom24]

I don't believe this is a mistake. I'm confident the feds can and will charge KL if she is the one who sent the texts impersonating KB.

JMO

They may charge her but give her a lighter sentence. There was another high profile case here where a couple had killed woman. The body has still not been recovered. The female criminal claimed she didn't help with the murder, only the clean up and disposal of the body. She was given a two year sentence in return for testimony against the male. She was still charged, but given a very light sentence.

 

[Hatfield]

Yes I am emotional. What If I was on the jury? I wouldn’t like it one bit that the DA used her as a witness and I would question their case. I would be a terrible juror. So if everyone wants to beat up on me for my opinion it is all good. I’m still smiling.

JMO
You touched on an important reason the DA is making a deal with her though.

They want her on their side during testimony. Because if they did not get her cooperation and know in advance that her testimony will favor the prosecution and help convict PF then look at the horrible alternative.

They would have a hostile witness on their hands and you can bet the Defense would call her to the stand anyway. There is no telling what she could have lied about and made PF look like an Angel. The DA had to play this hand to get KK on their side.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Why do you think a mistake is being made?

No I didn’t say a mistake was being made. The question asked was do we think the DA is stupid? I am saying no. But he is human. Human beings make mistakes. Not every DA wins every case. Otherwise, Casey Anthony would be on death row and OJ Simpson would be in prison. So I don’t see this case as being a slam dunk and we don’t know any details yet. I see it as a win for the DA when the jury agrees with the DA. We will have to see.

 

[jaspermac]

Yeah, the question for me is why people are so quick to assume a mistake or stupid deal is being made by these impressive pros.

Right.

This is just my view point. There are rare occasions that get massive press where a deal was made that in hindsight turns out to be horrific but those are outside the norm. ie Karla Holmolka

It seems to me they have taken their time, lots of time. They asked for the case to be sealed so witnesses couldn't be tampered with. So they could follow up on every angle with KL and PF and determine as well as possible what the truth is.

LE isn't stupid. They knew she could be playing the "he made me do it card". They would have tracked down as much info as they could to refute that, so they wouldn't look like idiots in the end.

Then they can make a decision on how important she is to their case. Does she take this case from very strong to case closed? If so even if she is playing the "i was so scared card", PF isn't free to do this to some other GF down the road. What is the liklihood of PF killing again vs KL? What is in the best interest of public safety? Even if they would like to see her in jail for a long, long time..

 

[MyBelle]

"Pros" Are not always "Pros" I have seen this in my own life. Really stupid prosecutors. Just because they have a degree doesn't me they are smart, trust me.

That may be sometimes true in remote, rural counties but I think the DA in this case knows what he is doing.

JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM: Swell. Guess we can all sleep easy tonight.

If where we've arrived as a society is at a place where we're comfortable with considering a person complicit in a murder being told to hang up their scrubs as having received their just punishment, I'm going to find me a deserted island somewhere and pound coconuts.

I don't think we have to worry about that at all. I think people are generally more quick to condemn, rather than giving people the benefit of the doubt. Imo

 

[allboys]

Me too.

The difference is, just because I hate it, doesn’t mean I can’t accept its necessity.

Yep, I’m with MG on this one. I’m thinking about it clinically as well.

If giving Krystal the full punishment she deserves put PF getting what HE deserves at risk, I would not be willing to take that risk.

It’s a trade off for sure. But one I’m willing to live with. I want PF tucked away FOREVER.

Hopefully, even with a plea, Krystal will still spend some significant time behind bars. Maybe that’s wishful thinking...but I will still use this interim time to have this wish.

 

[kay74]

That may be sometimes true in remote, rural counties but I think the DA in this case knows what he is doing.

JMO

No it's not remote rural countries, That's in the movies, it's ANYWHERE.

 

[tmar]

Here, on Websleuths, in another case, a man was arrested, several days before the arrest was publicized.
We were speculating, as in this case.

New
The affidavit says Rogers initially told investigators he never met the girl in person and did not travel to Tennessee to pick her up. He also said the girl wasn't in his home.

A short time later, an investigator arrived at the home and met with Rogers' mother. Officers searched Rogers' living area in his mother's basement and found the girl hiding in a closet.

Rogers admitted he didn't send the video of the teen's alleged rape to law enforcement because he thought it wouldn't stand up in court.

Rogers was arrested and charged with abduction and/or child taking by the Dane County Sheriff's Office, on the same day it was released the teen had been found.

Wisconsin man charged with sexual exploitation in case involving Madisonville teen

BUF

 

[MassGuy]

Yep, I’m with MG on this one. I’m thinking about it clinically as well.

If giving Krystal the full punishment she deserves put PF getting what HE deserves at risk, I would not be willing to take that risk.

It’s a trade off for sure. But one I’m willing to live with. I want PF tucked away FOREVER.

Hopefully, even with a plea, Krystal will still spend some significant time behind bars. Maybe that’s wishful thinking...but I will still use this interim time to have this wish.

Yeah. I really, really want both of them to pay the maximum price.

It just doesn’t always work like that.

We don’t yet know how involved she was.

We don’t yet know what this deal entails.

We don’t yet know how strong the case is against PF (I think it’s already solid).

Let’s just wait and see.

 

[Mom24]

BBM: Swell. Guess we can all sleep easy tonight.

If where we've arrived as a society is at a place where we're comfortable with considering a person complicit in a murder being told to hang up their scrubs as having received their just punishment, I'm going to find me a deserted island somewhere and pound coconuts.

The risk is that neither party is charged. Agreeably we don't know what they have for evidence, but in this case we have no body. It's better than PF be locked up forever than to risk losing the case completely. We also have no idea what any deal might be for KL, how much time she may have to serve or even what her involvement is in this case.
What concerns me is that KL stated she believed PF had killed before. If she also discloses other women he's murdered, the benefits of giving her a deal would be even better.
It's a risk v benefit decision, and without a body and the fact that PF will not speak, it's better to make every possible attempt to insure this man never sees the light of day.

 

[Jessthinkin]

Yep, I’m with MG on this one. I’m thinking about it clinically as well.

If giving Krystal the full punishment she deserves put PF getting what HE deserves at risk, I would not be willing to take that risk.

It’s a trade off for sure. But one I’m willing to live with. I want PF tucked away FOREVER.

Hopefully, even with a plea, Krystal will still spend some significant time behind bars. Maybe that’s wishful thinking...but I will still use this interim time to have this wish.

I wonder if the DA would consider seeking the DP in a case like this against PF, someone who solicits murder so could potentially still pose a deadly threat (via solicitation) even when convicted and behind bars?