CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[MyBelle]

Yes. An opinion based on evidence.

Not a wild guess.

Actually it is just your opinion because the DA has refused to elaborate. A fact we do know is that LE have concluded KB is dead and that it may have involved a robbery. KK isn't charged with robbery or murder but PF is charged with two counts plus three counts of solicitation. I doubt PF solicited a murder three times to the same person and after she turned him down three times, he decided to do it himself. I think PF is too much a coward to do it himself and the reason the case is sealed is because they are protecting the identity of a cooperating witness.

The multiple solicitation charges suggest he at least attempted to engage someone or multiple people to kill Berreth on three occasions. According to charging documents, the solicitations happened between Sept. 1 and Nov. 1.

But May, in an interview with The Denver Post, said he could not comment on facts, including whether Frazee solicited multiple people to kill Barreth. He cited the case having been sealed.

Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé Patrick Frazee formally charged with murder

 

[srg]

I feel badly if it's her family putting up their land and livestock for this. smh

It didn’t occur for me to feel badly about whoever is paying for KKs legal expenses. But now that you mention it, I guess I would feel bad for her parents imagining their agony (assuming they are somewhat normal) about what KK has done.

However, before I overindulge myself in compassion and sympathy for people she has hurt I need to ask “Does KK feel badly about the pain she is causing and will continue to cause her parents, children, etc”?

Whatever punishment she gets, will she learn her lesson and have guilt and regrets? Will she change and live a non-criminal life and will she recalibrate her moral compass? If so great. KB never had a chance to learn any more life lessons or to see her baby girl learn her own.

 

[lindaromas]

I've never seen a discovery requestin criminal law. You don't have to serve a request because they have to give it to you automatically.

I need to ask my law partner about this. But it's CO and we practice in CA and it seems they do things quite different out there.

Wait. Where's @PrairieWind? I think she's out of CO?

I'm thinking they are requesting discovery to just focus on what the DA has as evidence. Prepare in advance.

 

[gitana1]

I'm thinking they are requesting discovery to just focus on what the DA has as evidence. Prepare in advance.

True. I'm just not familiar with that. Here in CA it's just given. You ask the DA for it directly. And then about how long it's taking.

But I haven't double checked to see if we ever do written discovery requests in crim law in CA. I've certainly never heard of it.

 

[MassGuy]

Actually it is just your opinion because the DA has refused to elaborate. A fact we do know is that LE have concluded KB is dead and that it may have involved a robbery. KK isn't charged with robbery or murder but PF is charged with two counts plus three counts of solicitation. I doubt PF solicited a murder three times to the same person and after she turned him down three times, he decided to do it himself. I think PF is too much a coward to do it himself and the reason the case is sealed is because they are protecting the identity of a cooperating witness.

The multiple solicitation charges suggest he at least attempted to engage someone or multiple people to kill Berreth on three occasions. According to charging documents, the solicitations happened between Sept. 1 and Nov. 1.

But May, in an interview with The Denver Post, said he could not comment on facts, including whether Frazee solicited multiple people to kill Barreth. He cited the case having been sealed.

Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé Patrick Frazee formally charged with murder

Once again, I laid the the reasoning for my opinion. Evidence.

When one refers to “evidence,” they are not necessarily talking about evidence in a criminal sense.

Specifically, I was talking about the facts that justify my opinion; the logic that I employed to form my opinion.

Killers frequently solicit others to commit the crime for them, but not surprisingly, they are frequently turned down.

It’s not like the movies.

He asked, was told no, and did it himself (my opinion).

 

[lindaromas]

Interesting. There were no reports or video of LE hauling away or removing a big septic tank though. It would be pretty hard to miss! It's a very remote area. eta Sounds like they are reporting on Facebook rumors. moo

I'm coming in late today and not sure if someone has already mentioned this, but I'm thinking LE is searching the septic system for clues. This just brought back memories of a fellow classmate years ago. He cut up his child and flushed the remains. Makes me sick.

 

[Seattle1]

I never heard from reporter or paper.

I didn't have any luck either when I contacted them seeking one of their video segments that I'd seen locally. Later, a free lance photographer from the local community college-- that also did business with the outlet, told me they only archived "video sound bites" they were able to sell to national networks -- citing to cost of digital storage. MOO

 

[24Brix]

I would hope the arrest would come first and the cooperation later, for a reduced sentence. I find it strange.

BBM below, the summons specifically threatens her with an arrest warrant if she fails to appear on Friday. So, unless that’s just a boiler-plate paragraph, it seems she is free now and probably has been the entire time. (MOO, of course...)

“You are further notified that the court has set said complaint for first appearance and advisement of rights on Friday February 8, 2019, at 8:30am in the Teller County Combined Court, Division 11 located at 101 W. Bennett Ave. Cripple Creek, Colorado. You are hereby notified to appear before this court. Failure to appear as scheduled may result in a warrant being issued by the court for your arrest.”

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...caseofinterest/2019CR17/Summons to Appear.pdf

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM below, the summons specifically threatens her with an arrest warrant if she fails to appear on Friday. So, unless that’s just a boiler-plate paragraph, it seems she is free now and probably has been the entire time. (MOO, of course...)

“You are further notified that the court has set said complaint for first appearance and advisement of rights on Friday February 8, 2019, at 8:30am in the Teller County Combined Court, Division 11 located at 101 W. Bennett Ave. Cripple Creek, Colorado. You are hereby notified to appear before this court. Failure to appear as scheduled may result in a warrant being issued by the court for your arrest.”

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2019CR17/Summons to Appear.pdf

That is common boilerplate language for a Summons. They have filed the charges and issued a Summons, meaning that they are allowing her to show up at court voluntarily rather than issuing a warrant and having her arrested. Indicates that she has never been in custody.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Idaho Nurse Accused of Tampering with Evidence in Case of Missing Colorado Mom Kelsey Berreth

Prosecutors in Colorado who already have brought murder charges against Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, 32, allege that Kenney “destroyed, mutilated, concealed, removed, or altered physical evidence” in the case “believing that an official proceeding was pending or about to be instituted,” according to the formal charge.

In charging documents obtained by PEOPLE last month, prosecutors state they believe the suspected killing of 29-year-old mother was planned over two months — allegedly by Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, who stands accused of murder.

The alleged solicitations occurred between Sept. 1 and Nov. 1, 2018, according to the charging documents, which were obtained by PEOPLE.

The status of the Berreth and Frazee’s relationship remains something of a mystery, with relatives saying she had ended the engagement weeks before vanishing. Others have claimed the couple split the day of the alleged killing.

If convicted, Frazee faces life imprisonment as well as a possible death sentence.

The word Mutilated. I doubt they would use that word for inanimate objects,such as phone,or purse. So I'm thinking she did something to, or helped do something to Kelsey's Body.
She expects everyone to believe she was afraid of PF.
I'm not buying her load of maneur.
MOO.

 

[ajaylee]

The word Mutilated. I doubt they would use that word for inanimate objects,such as phone,or purse. So I'm thinking she did something to, or helped do something to Kelsey's Body.
She expects everyone to believe she was afraid of PF.
I'm not buying her load of maneur.
MOO.

You can mutilate the serial number on a firearm or the VIN# on a car to make them untraceable.

 

[susiQ]

It didn’t occur for me to feel badly about whoever is paying for KKs legal expenses. But now that you mention it, I guess I would feel bad for her parents imagining their agony (assuming they are somewhat normal) about what KK has done.

However, before I overindulge myself in compassion and sympathy for people she has hurt I need to ask “Does KK feel badly about the pain she is causing and will continue to cause her parents, children, etc”?

Whatever punishment she gets, will she learn her lesson and have guilt and regrets? Will she change and live a non-criminal life and will she recalibrate her moral compass? If so great. KB never had a chance to learn any more life lessons or to see her baby girl learn her own.

Excellent questions!! I'm guessing it's all about self-preservation now. She and PF have a lot in common. A lethal combination, IMHO.

I wonder if KK is able to imagine in her pea brain, WHAT IF? What if KB never met her "lover" PF. Would he have taken her and her children in and set up housekeeping on the ranchette or continued to string her along and when he was done with her, solicit someone to do her in? Because, as we know now, he has no compunction to commit murder and try to blame others for it.

 

[PommyMommy]

The word Mutilated. I doubt they would use that word for inanimate objects,such as phone,or purse. So I'm thinking she did something to, or helped do something to Kelsey's Body.
She expects everyone to believe she was afraid of PF.
I'm not buying her load of maneur.
MOO.

It is the language from the statute. It doesn't necessarily mean she mutilated anything. It could be that she "removed" or "concealed" or "destroyed" something but we don't know yet.
MOO

 

[MyBelle]

Excellent questions!! I'm guessing it's all about self-preservation now. She and PF have a lot in common. A lethal combination, IMHO.

I wonder if KK is able to imagine in her pea brain, WHAT IF? What if KB never met her "lover" PF. Would he have taken her and her children in and set up housekeeping on the ranchette or continued to string her along and when he was done with her, solicit someone to do her in? Because, as we know now, he has no compunction to commit murder and try to blame others for it.

Exactly. I think KK was delusional and obsessed with PF but I doubt he reciprocated the same level of affection. Instead, he exploited it.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

I feel badly if it's her family putting up their land and livestock for this. smh

Agree! She's no confused, minor child. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

The word Mutilated. I doubt they would use that word for inanimate objects,such as phone,or purse. So I'm thinking she did something to, or helped do something to Kelsey's Body.
She expects everyone to believe she was afraid of PF.
I'm not buying her load of maneur.
MOO.

Not true. Mutilated is the language right out out of the C.R.S. section re. tampering with evidence. I previously posted the full citation up thread.

 

[thesaint]

None of these folks were actually married to one another? So why the perceived need to do away with one of em. That's like bringing a shovel along on a tinder date in case it doesn't go well. Unless KK was in his ear urging him on? Maybe she had more motive than he did. And if it's about the child, some majorly screw-loose thinking that you're looking out for a child's best interests offing the child's mother.

 

[CarolinePolly]

From KOAA
2/26/19 4:55pm
“Stephen Longo, an attorney with McDivitt Law Firm, said it appears Kenney is trying to leverage her position as a possible key witness in the case against Patrick Frazee to try and get a lesser sentence in her case.

“Her kind of reversing and not sure if she’s gonna enter a plea deal or recanting statements is interesting, because you wonder whether or not she just doesn’t like the plea deal she’s getting and wants to leverage her position as a key witness against the defendant,” Longo said.

Prosecutors have not released information that would explain what evidence Kenney is accused of destroying. We do know Berreth’s phone pinged off a tower in Gooding, Idaho, on Nov. 25, three days after she was last seen publicly. That’s nearly 800 miles from Berreth’s home in Woodland Park, and close to where Kenney lives in Hansen, Idaho.”

Documents reveal Kenney seeking leverage in court, expert says

 

[ajaylee]

None of these folks were actually married to one another? So why the perceived need to do away with one of em. That's like bringing a shovel along on a tinder date in case it doesn't go well. Unless KK was in his ear urging him on? Maybe she had more motive than he did. And if it's about the child, some majorly screw-loose thinking that you're looking out for a child's best interests offing the child's mother.

For me, it just keeps coming back to child support. They weren't married, so he wasn't worried about losing out in a divorce settlement. He might have been obligated to pay child support.

I don't think it was just the money, I think it was the idea of the courts forcing him to give KB his money, even though child support is for the child, not the mother.

 

[thesaint]

For me, it just keeps coming back to child support. They weren't married, so he wasn't worried about losing out in a divorce settlement. He might have been obligated to pay child support.

I don't think it was just the money, I think it was the idea of the courts forcing him to give KB his money, even though child support is for the child, not the mother.

That's a v depressing thought but not thinking-it-through on PF's part if true. PF's some sort of rancher or farmer? Usually children end up being a net positive cash flow on farms by the time they graduate high school; due to all the free/cheap labor they provide once they get big enough to help out.

Also, if the support order emanates from a local family court judge in his area I doubt a judge who has to stand for election is gonna ding a local farmer for max child-support. Even then, there's likely a cap; and like you said it's going to his child, so pay up and be happy he has the means to help raise his child.