CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #36 *ARREST*

[Lhughessk]

About 30 years ago, I read a book titled "Serial Killers", by some shrink or crime expert who had worked with several. IIRC, he said something like 90%+ of serial killers had had head injuries.

So let me get this straight. KKL in all her phone tampering driving with no insurance evilness should be shown no mercy, but PF (the actual murderer) - gosh, he couldn’t help himself because the poor guy bumped his head as a child?

ETA: not assigning that position to you specifically. But several people have brought up this head injury topic.

 

[justaparent]

Had her credit card been used somewhere, I think we would have heard about this

Also, it might be a little risky to use her card. A person would have to pick and choose and hope that they didn’t use it in a place with video that could be tied to the purchase.

JMO

 

[justaparent]

My own opinion is pretty set until we know more.

-I believe KK was the driving force behind the murder, but that they both shared equally in the crime.
-After seeing her in court and watching her walk, I still believe she may be pregnant, and that pregnancy was her motivator.

And now I wait to see how it all unfolds.

 

[MsJosie]

Question....lawyers are expensive especially when they have experience in a case like this, understandably so. IF the accused, then is convicted and sent off to prison and is not allowed to profit from any books, movies etc., per the Judges rulings, can the now felon allow their attorney (attorneys) to write a book and then sell the rights to a movie deal, hence paying for the legal fees that could not be paid for up front OR is that all up to the Judge OR is their a regulation that stipulates state by state how an attorney may profit?

I cannot imagine how much the legal fees will cost her or how she is paying for them....as time goes on.

Thanks

 

[kkdj]

kkl must be their star witness imo or they wouldn't have given her such a sweet deal. FGS she knew KB was going to be murdered! Then she tried to help hide the crime!

 

[InvSmith]

Question....lawyers are expensive especially when they have experience in a case like this, understandably so. IF the accused, then is convicted and sent off to prison and is not allowed to profit from any books, movies etc., per the Judges rulings, can the now felon allow their attorney (attorneys) to write a book and then sell the rights to a movie deal, hence paying for the legal fees that could not be paid for up front OR is that all up to the Judge OR is their a regulation that stipulates state by state how an attorney may profit?

I cannot imagine how much the legal fees will cost her or how she is paying for them....as time goes on.

Thanks

Many of these cases are taken for free because of the notoriety. I am not sure this is the case but many are. The civil case will prevent one from benefiting. @MsJosie

 

[1mtroyal]

She said that it was on the 22nd, herself. Imo

I don't understand from her statement if she is referring to when the murder happened or when she found out about the murder. That is just not clear to me. The prosecution is claiming the murder happened on or about the 22 nd. They most certainly got that from her.

 

[InvSmith]

It’s natural in these types of cases for opinion about involvement to shift and sway as evidence comes to light. Right now we know about what she did. But he’s been dead silent. So people start to wonder if there are alternate explanations. In this case, I’d be willing to bet my dog that he’s the mastermind, not her.

It is because of the dumber than dumb look he has. Sorry, not sorry.

 

[heartgoesout]

It's a job, morals, human nature don't count. Even if the attorney is working pro bono the advertisement of them handling the case is out there for future prospects, sad but true.

I don’t mean attorneys. I respect defense attorneys. Yes it’s a job to uphold rights. I struggle understanding common people justifying her choices.

 

[jewelsmac]

Also, it might be a little risky to use her card. A person would have to pick and choose and hope that they didn’t use it in a place with video that could be tied to the purchase.

JMO

These two thought they were clever.
They thought they were going to get away with this.
They never thought someone was going to get the video at the freaking sonic.
They actually thought they were smart enough to get away with this.

 

[1mtroyal]

One has to remember she is throwing herself at the mercy of the court in her statement. She did not mention the threats PF made to facilitate the coverup. That will come up in the trial if there is one.

 

[InvSmith]

I think she was afraid of him and she was in love with him.

If you are scared and live 800 miles away, you get help. It is not like KK was isolated and did not live or work in an environment where she could get help. This trial is a good example so far. KB is the one deceased and she is not. Notice, the stark differences in what KB friends are saying and KK friends are saying. There is evidence based on statements that KB at least was being verbally abused and now deceased. She was isolated and cut-off from close family and friends. She did not work in a medical center with females and social workers. The proof of who was the victim of focus was KB and not KK, obviously, she is transporting a dead woman's phone by herself all alone for miles and miles and miles and miles. The greatest question of all the defense has to answer, is why in the world would PF possible think KK COULD and WOULD kill KB for him when he asked?

 

[GordianKnot]

It is because of the dumber than dumb look he has. Sorry, not sorry.

When it comes to PF, that old saying definitely holds true:
"What you see is what you get."

Take him at face value.

10 more days until everyone gets a chance to see (and marvel at) incontrovertible proof of PF's unmatched brilliance. He's in a class all by himself.

What a mastermind!

 

[The Farm]

Lol, I think she must have been livid to learn P not only met a new woman but that’s she was pregnant. Something makes me think sparks flew. Jmo
I guess we’ll never learn her full involvement. She’ll get slapped on the wrist & go on to live life in her quiet little ID town. Moo
I just can’t imagine what’s going to happen when P blames her, if he should.
I assume P will avoid trial. I’m sure his family prefer this to be over with already.
All moo

When KK arose into the scene my first thought was scorned woman and I read and read everything to see if my feeling was on the mark. I still feel that way and also that KK was not afraid of PF in the least. She obviously wanted KB out of the picture also.
She was in Idaho, KB moved to CO. and had Kaylee. She could not have possibly kept tabs on what was actually going on as she was a distance away and I could see it eating away at her because it was not how the story was supposed to go in her eyes.
How much she was involved we might not ever get to know because I myself tend to not always believe what someone says to save their butts from being thrown into prison for a number of years.
I am hoping the 19th reveals more than we have now which still is not much in my eyes. JMO

 

[InvSmith]

Wow. What if they (DA) find new info?
Like maybe she participated in clean up or disposing of other evidence?
I guess all that’s left is for P to accept a plea of some type & case closed.

The DA investigated that before the offer.

 

[jewelsmac]

So let me get this straight. KKL in all her phone tampering driving with no insurance evilness should be shown no mercy, but PF (the actual murderer) - gosh, he couldn’t help himself because the poor guy bumped his head as a child?

ETA: not assigning that position to you specifically. But several people have brought up this head injury topic.

You know I have to wonder about this myself. I am not ashamed to admit I have read many books about serial killers, we all have a hobby, and I honestly don’t recall the head injury angle ...in any of them. I am not saying that this is not some kind of fact, I’m saying I’ve never read about it anywhere and I spent a lot of time reading about this. General discussion about the fact that serial killers have different brain chemistry than the rest of us, yes.... injury, nope. Obviously I need to read more.

Disclaimer: I still think she’s guilty as hell, have zero sympathy for her and have no problem with people saying so. Am also hoping she doesn’t try for the head injury angle , just sayin.

 

[Hatfield]

When KK arose into the scene my first thought was scorned woman and I read and read everything to see if my feeling was on the mark. I still feel that way and also that KK was not afraid of PF in the least. She obviously wanted KB out of the picture also.
She was in Idaho, KB moved to CO. and had Kaylee. She could not have possibly kept tabs on what was actually going on as she was a distance away and I could see it eating away at her because it was not how the story was supposed to go in her eyes.
How much she was involved we might not ever get to know because I myself tend to not always believe what someone says to save their butts from being thrown into prison for a number of years.
I am hoping the 19th reveals more than we have now which still is not much in my eyes. JMO

^^^^^Spot on^^^^^

btw - good morning everyone

 

[skyedaze]

Yeah you don't drive 800 miles TOWARD a person you are afraid of. She went there because she wanted to..and KK can't say she didn't know what was going to happen as she already told people months earlier what was to happen.
IF she was ever really afraid, it was later on. She has reason to want KB gone and she drove there to knowing something was to happen.

 

[skycountry]

Exactly. This absolutely destroys the ridiculous “fear argument.”

All she had to do, was drive right to the nearest police station.

“I have the phone of a murder victim, my boyfriend did it.”

Game over.

If KK was driving back to ID via hwy 24 could have just turned the phone on, and tossed it out the window in Florissant. That would have implicated PF in a hurry! Cell tower is right there in town.

IMO KK and PF have remained friends since their teens, because they are like minded, and made from the same cloth, or mold so to speak. Is how their friendship has lasted. I think KK is a female version of PF, but the prosecution needs her testimony.

I agree, she has some awesome big city lawyers, I don't think they are going to sit back and let the defense for PF destroy their client, they will bring their big guns to trial. JMO

Also, I don't see the Berreth's filing a civil suit against KK, just not their style. Their statement about KK taking a plea, says it all. moo!

Not sure which news channel got this shot, but shows KK leaving the court house on Friday for those thinking she might be pregnant. Who knows?

 

[?mysterian?]

^^^^^Spot on^^^^^

btw - good morning everyone

Good morning to you!

Thanks to everyone that posted links and updates yesterday for KK's court date.

 

[vaporlass]

@Steelslady The important point in all your questions is if the JURY going to believe she was not a part of it. She was solicited and they have evidence of this and then you magically help carry the phone but you are innocent. The defense is loving this. What is the JURY going to think?

She wasn’t offered any kind of immunity, right? Wasn’t she just offered a reduced sentence for what she did IF she testified against PF?
In other words, if it is discovered that she did MORE can they charge her for more after his trial?