CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

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I agree. If KK supposedly only knew of the homicide, how did SHE know the body was also missing?

JMO
THIS^^^ !!! How do they refer to a person as missing before she is missing?

PF gets the text (and we don't know what it said yet) saying KB would be gone for a week. We do know Doss Aviation got the text requesting a week off. So if PF texted to KK at all it would have been his annoyance that flaky, unstable KB took off somewhere, to see Grandma or check into rehab - but KB was not "missing".

I wonder which brainiac dropped the ball on this tidbit, or was it intentional to put it out there....
 
This would be plausible if we assumed that KB and PF were still together in September. If it's true that they broke up earlier that year, then I don't see KB getting jealous much later. Do we know for sure when they broke up?
No, we don't even know if they had broken up at all. In the beginning there was a statement by Kelseys Aunt that they broke up on Thanksgiving day, then there is an article in which a friend said they broke up last January, and another person (Cline?) who said PF told him the only relationship they had was a co- parenting one.
These are all from different sources, but I don't remember which. Imo
 
The story the R's told changed from Part I to Part II of their interviews, and they never called the FBI until Dec 17 when search warrants had been or were being executed at KK's property. ;)

They say in Part II that on Nov 26 they gave KK an ultimatum which they were told was fulfilled. When they learned that it wasn't they called the police (much later).

If the Rs made the mistake about the dates in the interview, they must have been a week off. It seems more likely that they were told on Dec 3 about the disappearance.

Nov 26th doesn't make sense, especially with the claim about Facebook. If Dec 3rd is correct, it still shows that KK's friend probably did not know about her involvement.
 
I think a body could go undiscovered for months, years even. The search area certainly doesn't cover any route he could have taken.

Construction workers, hunters, road clean up people are ones who would typically discover remains where people are disposed in remote locations. I didn't literally mean a body is laying in plain sight with passing cars driving by.

Agreed and there's endless highways with sheer drop off edges in the west. It would be very easy to dump a body over one in some remote location. No road crews or hunters are even likely to be down there, either.
 
I agree. If KK supposedly only knew of the homicide, how did SHE know the body was also missing?

JMO

I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind roams around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.
 
If CB put something out on FB, how would the people of Twin Falls be connected, how would they know or care? If PF got a text that KB left for a week and he wasn't worried, why would he put something out by Nov 26? KB was not disappeared at that time. It was one full week until a missing person report and two full weeks until the WPPD presser garnered media attention. Do the people of Twin Falls just have unusual interest in the comings and goings of strangers in other states, before they are missing?

I love your thinking and posts. I think I get a little direct and nasty every time these Idaho people come up - not directed at you or anybody here. :)
And just because a person takes a week off doesn't mean their phone stops working especially receiving calls from their mom and checking on their child which they would not leave.
 
I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind rooms around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.
It is a thought that has been discussed here on WS - but I can't imagine this scenario with the deal she made. But you never know.
 
Just for fun :) I'm going to pretend I'm a journalist preparing to interview M. Of course, I need a list of questions I'd like answered that would actually tell me something about what she REALLY knows. I mean she IS KK's BFF and confidant, right? Here goes:

1. When exactly did KK tell you that PF wanted her to kill KB? How long before he actually did it?

2. At what time did KK become afraid? Was it when he first solicited her or when she clued in that he was really going to do it?

3. At that point, did you tell KK to go to the authorities? If not, why not?

4. Since KK didn't go to police, and she was so fearful that he might kill her if she didn't help him, why didn't YOU go to authorities to protect your best friend regardless of the fact you didn't seem to care about what was going to happen to an innocent woman?

5. You told your employers that you begged KK not to go. What reason did she give you that she HAD to go?

I envision this exchange with M:

M: She was afraid he was going to kill her if she didn't.
sQ: Really. I find that odd. Why wouldn't she go to the authorities instead of going to meet a killer?
M: I can't speak to that.
sQ: Why would that be?

6. You told your employers that KK felt that PF had "killed before." Did you inquire as to what it was he said or did to make her believe that? Did she tell you?

7. Did you see KK after she returned from CO? Did she tell you what transpired while she was there? What was her demeanor? Excited? Nervous? Anxious? Relieved?

8. You appeared to know KB was missing very early on. You went to your employers, but not police. Why? You knew what PF's plans were, right? And now, "that woman" is missing.

9. When EXACTLY did KK say to you that "she had never seen that kind of evil in anyone?" Before or after KB's murder?

I could go ON and ON here, but I won't bore you. I have no doubt these questions have gone through your mind as well. Besides, we know she would not have answered any one of them with anything but, "I can't speak to that," or some other lame response.

Feel free to add to the list!

Since your friend traveled to Colorado and was in possession of Kelsey Berreth's phone and that puts her near the scene of the crime, to your knowledge did your friend participate in either the murder or cleaning up the scene after the fact? Was there any other evidence that she "tampered" with?
 
A few more statements from the Rs interview bother me... Patty said that on Nov 26th she remembered seeing a FB post about a missing Colorado mum that sounded familiar. Did such a page exist for KB on Nov 26th? It seems too early. The second one is about the claim that KK changed her phone number on Nov 27 - before she spoke to the authorities. Why did she change the number? Did she also get rid of her old phone?
I'm thinking she may have had a new phone with a new number.
Most people try to keep their number and transfer all their data to the new phone.
I imagine she would not have wanted to do that. Imo
 
THIS^^^ !!! How do they refer to a person as missing before she is missing?

PF gets the text (and we don't know what it said yet) saying KB would be gone for a week. We do know Doss Aviation got the text requesting a week off. So if PF texted to KK at all it would have been his annoyance that flaky, unstable KB took off somewhere, to see Grandma or check into rehab - but KB was not "missing".

I wonder which brainiac dropped the ball on this tidbit, or was it intentional to put it out there....

I doubt PF knew KK was giving M the play-by-play and that it would be repeated to the Rs. It's a given that KK not only knew KB was dead, she also knows where to find the missing body. IF the body isn't found at the landfill, it is because KK lied to LE.

JMO
 
Another good list! Thank you, susiQ. :) Here's my contribution:

1) If you had it to do over again, would you make the effort to pick up your phone and dial three numbers to prevent an innocent woman from being brutally murdered, leaving her child motherless and her family to suffer for the rest of their lives?

2) How do you sleep at night?

MOO

Right on, Pommy Mommy.
 
I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind roams around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.
The same thought has crossed my mind.
 
I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind roams around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.
I highly doubt this, for a few reasons:

If this was the case, I think she would have already directed law enforcement to Kelsey’s body.

PF would have wanted to get rid of Kelsey’s body right away. I can’t imagine that he would have held on to a dead body for that length of time (atleast two days).

Transporting a body is incredibly risky, not to mention stressful. Few people would agree to this.

I think PF killed Kelsey on his own, and dumped her body on his own.

I’m convinced she’s somewhere in Colorado.
 
If CB put something out on FB, how would the people of Twin Falls be connected, how would they know or care? If PF got a text that KB left for a week and he wasn't worried, why would he put something out by Nov 26? KB was not disappeared at that time. It was one full week until a missing person report and two full weeks until the WPPD presser garnered media attention. Do the people of Twin Falls just have unusual interest in the comings and goings of strangers in other states, before they are missing?

I love your thinking and posts. I think I get a little direct and nasty every time these Idaho people come up - not directed at you or anybody here. :)

Thank you for your kind words!

I get what you’re saying. There would have to be a ‘friends’ connection for the Idaho crowd to see any post by Kelsey’s people.

Maybe KK said something on FB. Too hyped or excited to keep silent for another six days?
 
As far as we know, she declined. The Rs also claimed in their TV interview, that they told KK's friend to contact them and talk to them about it. She didn't take the offer, telling to her friend to "forget about the whole thing". Was she not upset about it any more? Did he stop?
I'd also like to know why did KK's friend inform the Rs on Nov 26th that "that person" was missing? It looks like she didn't know KK had a role in it? Wasn't this before Kelsey was officially declared missing? The Rs allegedly gave KK a 24-hour ultimatum to contact police. They were told a day later that she did, but it wasn't true.
So, maybe KK isn't saying she is scared of PF. Maybe she is scared of saying no to covering up to a well connected police family that was trying to use countermeasures to save PF. The investigation could be contained until the FBI was brought in. Maybe this is why everyone has been so readily in front of cameras because there is no better protection than daylight.
 
bbm I'm going with the latter. KB may have found out about KK in Sept or October and PF wasn't going to let KB take the baby away from his mother. moo
I just really don't see individuals that have killing as an option for problem-solving being committed parents. I especially don't see them risking their freedom for someone else. There is obviously something we don't grasp.
 
I don't even want to say this. And I certainly don't want to post it. But while I was sewing today my mind roams around all kinds of thoughts.
So I'm just going to throw it out there. What if KK not only had the phone but had KB as well?
Just a thought that I don't know that I particularly like.

Or parts of her?
 
bbm I'm going with the latter. KB may have found out about KK in Sept or October and PF wasn't going to let KB take the baby away from his mother. moo
I find it very questionable that KK did not know about Kelsey or the baby until recently. The picture below was posted on the Gordon Cattle Company’s Facebook page July 6, 2018, photo dated the 4th. Being a rodeo queen, I am sure she is well aware of the events where Patrick participated. I have no doubt she would check the website for event photos. I am sure there were other clues, as well.
 

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So, maybe KK isn't saying she is scared of PF. Maybe she is scared of saying no to covering up to a well connected police family that was trying to use countermeasures to save PF. The investigation could be contained until the FBI was brought in. Maybe this is why everyone has been so readily in front of cameras because there is no better protection than daylight.

Coming from a family with a lot a law enforcement, I don’t believe PF’s bro is a threat to anyone involved. They are in law enforcement because they have the demeanor and backbone to make the hard decisions even when it hurts and involves family. I imagine that bro is appalled and heartbroken and that he did whatever was asked of him to help find justice for KB.

I believe that KKL’s claims of fear are only attempts to justify and minimize her involvement. In any sentence made speaking of KKL’s fear insert KB”s name. There is the person who was in fear and being terrorized. I am sure she was in fear if her daughter’s life too.

I think that the R’s confusion with the dates means that KKL immediately filled her BFF MS of all the gorey and minute details of her holiday weekend.

The Idaho people involved are all lacking in common sense, empathy, and honesty. MHO
 
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