CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

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Mom24 said:
That's what Cline said PF had told him. Cline says that PF told him KB had disappeared before and after some time reappeared at a rehab facility. PF told him KB was an alcoholic. A few months later PF was at Clines again and Cline asked how things were going and PF told him KB had again been in a rehab ctr and had lost her job. According to what Cline had been told, KB had been in rehab twice.
What we know to be true is that at some point during the relationship KB went to a counseling ctr because she was feeling depressed. She was found to be suffering from severe depression brought on by exhaustion, and she never had an alcohol problem, was never in treatment for an alcohol problem, never abandoned her child and never lost her job.
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haha it seems as though a lot of you are taking it that i am slamming KB?!

1- i dont think there is anything wrong with trying to get help. Mentally, or for a substance abuse, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE... i wouldnt judge you... i think it is a positive thing to do.

I am simply stating what I have heard on MSM... thats ALL...
 
mustloveco said:
however you want to word it, per dateline, a credible MSM, i would assume KB sought some sort of treatment ... i dont know what is wrong with calling it rehab?!
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Rehab is considered to be a residential stay for drug or alcohol dependence. She had no drug/alcohol issues, despite what PF had apparently told everybody...
 
More questions: What college did PF go to?

We have never seen anything on the other member of PF's house ever babysitting the child. Where was the child during the burning?

If PF wants to plea down to second degree murder, will the prosecution agree? Probably not since there is good evidence he planned this (the nurse told two people).

I have been called for several jury trials. I am always advised that many defendants change their plea at the last minute, so I am not going to plan on a jury trial here until the court says, "This court is now in session."
 
MsBetsy said:
Yes, I don't think that guy has paid any attention to the evidence.
He apparently only met Kelsey once, and remarked that she was a "good girl," implying that it wasn't really the place you would see someone like that. It was some kind of donkey event. I can't remember what exactly, but it gave me the impression that he thought KB was not the type for PF, or that she somehow didn't fit in. I think it was more of an insult disguised as a compliment. Imo
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He strikes me as the type that only if the woman can shovel s*** would she be the marrying/keeping type, you know, donkey, cattle, horse and dog s***. Probably the same in SF's opinion. One look at KB, tiny and put together and probably said to himself, no way. Now KK bleaches and streaks but she is bigger, has shoveled some s*** and does cleanup of murder scenes too and is willing to not be a good girl, as we know so well. Of course these people "claim" they were unaware of her. Funny, since Sonic was well aware of her with PF. However, maybe these people never leave the Cripple Creek/Florissant area and the donkeys.

They are so close to PF they did not even know his mother. They socialized neither with PF nor his mother. Nor PF and KB. Great sources of information...

Not nice comments I know, but if he can get on national TV and trash KB, the victim in this case, with things he does not know firsthand, well then, I will go there...
 
Jessthinkin said:
Maybe PF’s (likely feigned) illness the night before Thanksgiving let him provide doubt to KB about what the plans would be, based on how his stomach troubles were progressing Thanksgiving Day... :(
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I like your thought process, I have always thought the stomach issue and her running to town to get tums played part of all this
 
mustloveco said:
haha it seems as though a lot of you are taking it that i am slamming KB?!

1- i dont think there is anything wrong with trying to get help. Mentally, or for a substance abuse, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE... i wouldnt judge you... i think it is a positive thing to do.

I am simply stating what I have heard on MSM... thats ALL...
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No I didn't think that at all Mustloveco. I genuinely wasn't sure if KB had gone 1 or 2 times. :)
 
mustloveco said:
however you want to word it, per dateline, a credible MSM, i would assume KB sought some sort of treatment ... i dont know what is wrong with calling it rehab?!
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It's like saying you went to prison if all you did was go to detention after school.
Rehab facilities are inpatient facilities where you check in or are mandated to go, you stay for about 21 days without contact with the outside world, you detoxify and are being treated for drug or alcohol addiction.
Counseling facilities are typically outpatient, you make an appt to see someone and spend an hour or two with them and talk about what's going on. Typically your initial meeting is with an intake specialist who determines if you are a danger to yourself and what kind of treatment you need, and then either further appts are made with a counselor specialized for your issue (i.e. PPD, PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc.) or if you are deemed a danger to yourself (i.e. suicidal) you are mandated to a psych eval in a hospital or psych facility for 48-72 hours.
The term rehab facility implies drug or substance abuse issues, while counseling facility implies emotional or mental health issues. If someone you loved died and you went in for grief counseling, if I said you went to rehab it would be to paint a far different picture of your character than if I said you went to grief counseling. You go to rehab to get detoxified and "dried out" because you are falling down drunk or high on narcs and that's the image PF was trying to make of KB. It's a fine line, but it's why it bothers me to have that term bandied about. Not in any way implying that's what you mean, just explaining my feelings. :)
 
mustloveco said:
Gosh. 10 days. I wonder what PF was doing those 10 days.

I am wondering if perhaps he entered Kelsey's home from Lake street, instead of the back alley. Maybe if he walked over. Given the angle of the camera, if he entered from Lake street, perhaps it wouldnt have caught anything on the neighbors security camera.

I am also wondering, if the front window that face south at KB home... if those windows have a screen and slide open?! If he was aware of the neighbors camera, maybe he could have pushed the tote out the front window?! MOO
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I actually wondered about pushing the tote out the front window too. Do we know if her car was possibly backed into the parking spot? I'm wondering about this because we know the dogs alerted on the bumper of her car. If her car was backed up under the window and PF opened the window to moved the tote out onto the ground between her car and house perhaps the tote opened briefly in the process and KB's body (or some fluids) touched the bumper? Similarly, KK mentions she set the trash bags behind KB's car and then got her car to get them. I can't see KK leaving the trash bags with evidence in the alleyway where they would be visible to anyone walking by. If she was aware of the camera she could have opened the front window and put the bags on the ground between the house and car so they would be hidden from view. And if PF used the window too for moving the tote then that could be how KK knew the detail about where PF had set down the tote behind KB's car.

MOO
 
mustloveco said:
however you want to word it, per dateline, a credible MSM, i would assume KB sought some sort of treatment ... i dont know what is wrong with calling it rehab?!
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Rehab means to be rehabilitated. She didn't need to be re habilitated. She went to California for one appointment on one day because she had depression. I'm thinking after she left that appointment she didn't feel that she needed what they had to offer.
 
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mustloveco said:
haha it seems as though a lot of you are taking it that i am slamming KB?!

1- i dont think there is anything wrong with trying to get help. Mentally, or for a substance abuse, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE... i wouldnt judge you... i think it is a positive thing to do.

I am simply stating what I have heard on MSM... thats ALL...
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FWIW, I didn't think you were slamming KB. As the show aired Fri. night the previous thread's outrage level was pretty high when CC's part was aired because of what he was saying about KB. There were numerous efforts in the thread to correct the wrong info.
 
mustloveco said:
haha it seems as though a lot of you are taking it that i am slamming KB?!

1- i dont think there is anything wrong with trying to get help. Mentally, or for a substance abuse, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE... i wouldnt judge you... i think it is a positive thing to do.

I am simply stating what I have heard on MSM... thats ALL...
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No I don't think you're trying to slam KB, I think PF and his friends are by using the word "rehab" and the picture it paints. So every time I see it, it makes me want to correct the record on KB's behalf. Not directed at you at all and I'm sorry I made it seem that way.
 
girlhasnoname said:
No I didn't think that at all Mustloveco. I genuinely wasn't sure if KB had gone 1 or 2 times. :)
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agree: and facts do matter
And I was merely stating that what a friend of PF had stated on the program was later refuted by media member Sam Kraemer who was also on that same program and has been on the case since the very beginning MOO. It was only one time and it was at a completely different type of facility.
 
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mustloveco said:
however you want to word it, per dateline, a credible MSM, i would assume KB sought some sort of treatment ... i dont know what is wrong with calling it rehab?!
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Rehab implies recovery from drugs and alcohol. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I have never heard of any type of behavioral health service for mental disorders called a rehab. I can understand why it would be, it's just not that common unless drugs and alcohol are involved. Imo

Edited to add, I believe PF intentionally called it "Rehab" to mislead investigators and as a result, the general public. Imo
 
MsBetsy said:
I had the feeling that what he really wanted to say was that she was a "snob" or at least that he never approved of her. Imo
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This. He was snarky when he talked about PF bringing her with him to work on the donkeys one day.

Huh? She's in love with the guy and, coming from a family of hay farmers, she's not too proud to hang out in the corral with PF. If she'd stayed at home, CC probably would have criticized her for thinking she was 'too good' for the cowboy lifestyle.
 
Mom24 said:
Remember he's used to dealing with women in relationship with him that want to believe him, they want to believe he loves them and so they'll dismiss things that don't make sense.
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I was talking more with his brain cells re evidence, not the women. Delete one thing that matters, like texts between he and KB, but not the murdering cohort contact.
 
Elley Mae said:
Yes, also iirc it was that morning early she went and got him meds for some fake illness. Something stinks about that as well.
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Yeah, also after PF had KB out at some remote cow pasture 'til all hours of the morning, then sent her to town to get him some stomach medicine and bring it back to him at the Franchette.

She's fatigued, yet he's got her out there until just before dawn after she probably worked all day?

How thoughtful and considerate of him! He's such a great guy!
 
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