CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[Dave F.]

This is a Google Earth Street View taken from US Highway 24 directly in front of the Fire Station at Florissant. I've placed the white arrow to point to the location of PF's ranchette. If the black ring located on drone shots in the lower corral area is where KKL placed the fire, that is a south sloping area of the ranchette, so it would be in a clear line of sight from the Fire Station, which is slightly uphill from the spot of this picture. Also, she described it happening at night. I've previously reported that the National Weather Service at Divide recorded a stiff, steady breeze and overcast skies. IMO

 

[ab01]

I think its Highly likely there is much more cell phone information that we have not been privy to that helps support the prosecutions various conclusions in and around the dates that KB was last seen and heard from.

They didn't just make these determinations expecting that they wouldn't have to prove it at trial.....

All JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Why omit all and any of KK's cell ping info? imo

This was about laying out the evidence against PF.

The only time KK’s phone location was mentioned, was in the context of the development of her as a witness.

She told a lie, the cell phone data caught her in that lie, and she ultimately agreed to cooperate.

This will come up at trial, not before.

 

[MassGuy]

Florissant Fire Protection District
November 24, 2018 ·
TCSO: Due to high winds, burn restrictions are in effect until further notice. No open burning.

1 suspect pleads guilty to starting High Chateau Fire in Teller County

Posted: Nov 27, 2018 10:27 AM MST

"Teller County is still under a Stage III fire ban due to dry and windy conditions. No open fires of any type are allowed in unincorporated areas of Teller County."

Nothing like drawing attention to yourself by burning a body during a burn ban. My opinion only tysm.

Yup. No one said PF was bright.

In his defense though, it very well might not have been a risk on his part.

The ranchette is fairly isolated, and perhaps the chance of someone calling it in was minimal.

 

[Dave F.]

This is a Google Earth shot of the area where PF and KB's phones pinged and disappeared on the evening of November 22, 2018. The red arc is PF's 10:05 ping from the LE chart on Page 13 of SW 18-118, Affidavit A. The green ring is KB's 10:03 pm ping. Sorry, Google doesn't have a "teal" line color option, so I got as close as I could. The blue arc is the distance from the Cripple Creek tower that the two phones would have been at 10:15, when they dropped out of coverage, and 10:48 pm, when the reappeared. There is a straight green line that is the Teller-Park county ine, inserted by Google.
I have dropped a red pin at the intersection of Highways 11 and 112. Highway 11 approaches from Florissant going south, to a "T" intersection. It's a stop sign, then a turn to the right goes toward RS's horse ranch, and a turn to the left soon veers straight south past the entrance to the Nash ranch red barn area.
I have dropped yellow pins at the key points where the arc lines intersect the road. Note there are multiple locations for the same ping or passage into the no coverage zone(s). The times are very important to establish direction of travel.
I have placed a yellow box around an area that unconfirmed rumors say the FBI recently flew over, with a local person's drone camera. The actual intersection of PF's phone ping arc and KB's phone ping arc, as you can see, is in steep country without roads.
I have heard rumors that this area contains PF's high altitude US Forest Service cattle lease, and I have also heard that you can drive from Highway 112 to Nash ranch red barn, if you have a 4 wheel drive vehicle, lots of keys for all the locked gates, and a few hours to spend. I can't confirm those, either.
I've studied this map several times, actually remaking it several times to adjust for minor errors or things in the LE descriptions that were confusing until read and checked. What I get out of it is absolutely nothing. LE's theory, so far, is that both phones were traveling together toward RS's horse ranch I see PF's could have, but if it did, KB's missed the turn at the red pin and had to backtrack fast to catch up with PF in the no phone zone. KKL is going to testify that both phones went straight to Nash ranch barn. I see KB's phone going in the direction of Nash ranch red barn. I can't help but wonder if PF didn't go home, eat and back to CC and PC's horse ranch, which is in a real dead zone. The ring where coverage is dropped is determined by time, not distance measured at one time.
I guess we'll have to wait for the trial, to see who says what and who the jury tends to believe. As always, IMO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

 

[GordianKnot]

I won’t be surprised to see the defense push for reasonable doubt based on the murder being carried out entirely by KK, with PF attempting to reverse roles, claiming that he helped KK after the fact.

Sure, I expect the public defender will try to play devil's advocate in court.
Of course, this won't be too much of a stretch, considering he is in fact the devil's advocate.

Let's all spare a thought for this poor guy. He has to try to mount some kind of defense, despite the fact that he doesn't have a leg to stand on, thanks to his client.
Hard to mount anything sans legs.

The problems PF's lawyer is going to face in trying to go with the "KK did it and PF's just a chivalrous dude trying to cover for her" include, but are not limited to, the following:

• Footage places PF at KB's townhome on the afternoon of Nov. 22nd, which is the the day KB was last seen alive. Not KK. PF.
• Footage places PF w/ Baby KB at Walmart on Nov. 22nd, minus KB. Not KK. PF.
• Cell phone activity places PF traveling to and from KB's townhome to the ranchette on Nov. 22.
• PF lied to LE about his last contact with KB.
• PF's and KB's phones were together from 11/22 - 11/24.
• KK was in ID on 11/22, the last day KB was seen alive.
• KK apparently told a friend contemporaneously about the murder solicitation attempts PF made to her. If KK were planning to kill KB, presumably she wouldn't broadcast it to her friend.

There are many, many, many more facts that fly in the face of the claim that KK was the murderer. Too many to enumerate here, but DA May will, I'm sure, be glad to address each and every one come trial time.

*As an aside: I would strongly recommend to anyone viewing this thread to review Tippy Lynn's superb Timeline Parts 1-3 on Page 1 of the thread. @Tippy Lynn: Thank you so, so much for the time and considerable effort you went to compiling all that information and putting it into chronological order! Your timeline summary is phenomenal, and incredibly helpful as a reference, especially given the mountain of evidentiary facts we have in this case.

We of course largely have PF to thank for this veritable Mt. Everest of damning case evidence. I'm sure DA May is extremely thankful for all of PF's unwitting contributions to helping make the prosecution's case.

I'm thinking proper etiquette dictates that Dan May send a nice thank you card to PF in prison after he's been found guilty, and include a hand-written note that says something along the lines of, "Way to go, Slick, couldn't have done it without you!"

I think Emily Post would whole-heartedly approve. It's just good manners.

JMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sure, I expect the public defender will try to play devil's advocate in court.
Of course, this won't be too much of a stretch, considering he is in fact the devil's advocate.

Let's all spare a thought for this poor guy. He has to try to mount some kind of defense, despite the fact that he doesn't have a leg to stand on, thanks to his client.
Hard to mount anything sans legs.

The problems PF's lawyer is going to face in trying to go with the "KK did it and PF's just a chivalrous dude trying to cover for her" include, but are not limited to, the following:

• Footage places PF at KB's townhome on the afternoon of Nov. 22nd, which is the the day KB was last seen alive. Not KK. PF.
• Footage places PF w/ Baby KB at Walmart on Nov. 22nd, minus KB. Not KK. PF.
• Cell phone activity places PF traveling to and from KB's townhome to the ranchette on Nov. 22.
• PF lied to LE about his last contact with KB.
• PF's and KB's phones were together from 11/22 - 11/24.
• KK was in ID on 11/22, the last day KB was seen alive.
• KK apparently told a friend contemporaneously about the murder solicitation attempts PF made to her. If KK were planning to kill KB, presumably she wouldn't broadcast it to her friend.

There are many, many, many more facts that fly in the face of the claim that KK was the murderer. Too many to enumerate here, but DA May will, I'm sure, be glad to address each and every one come trial time.

*As an aside: I would strongly recommend to anyone viewing this thread to review Tippy Lynn's superb Timeline Parts 1-3 on Page 1 of the thread. @Tippy Lynn: Thank you so, so much for the time and considerable effort you went to compiling all that information and putting it into chronological order! Your timeline summary is phenomenal, and incredibly helpful as a reference, especially given the mountain of evidentiary facts we have in this case.

We of course largely have PF to thank for this veritable Mt. Everest of damning case evidence. I'm sure DA May is extremely thankful for all of PF's unwitting contributions to helping make the prosecution's case.

I'm thinking proper etiquette dictates that Dan May send a nice thank you card to PF in prison after he's been found guilty, and include a hand-written note that says something along the lines of, "Way to go, Slick, couldn't have done it without you!"

I think Emily Post would whole-heartedly approve. It's just good manners.

JMO.

I'm glad it's helpful.

 

[Noharg]

Thank you to those who have educated me on pings. Now I will play mock jury member. After being presented with all the other evidence, sorry to say I am not reasonably doubtful. Those pings and arcs do not outweigh evidence that PF was in KB’s home 11/22 which was the last day of her life. He had motive and means and as bungling as it was, a plan which he had brewing for months. He has lied. He has a history of anger and control issues. He brazenly tried to get a local bank to sit on video evidence. He also has a very talkative co-conspirator and clean-up woman, KKL. I could go on and on, but we can, and most here have, read the evidence.
This self-appointed mock jury member votes to convict PF.

JMO

Edit to eliminate “beyond my wildest dreams” from first sentence.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Thank you to those who have educated me on pings. Now I will play mock jury member. After being presented with all the other evidence, sorry to say I am not reasonably doubtful. Those pings and arcs do not outweigh evidence that PF was in KB’s home 11/22 which was the last day of her life. He had motive and means and as bungling as it was, a plan which he had brewing for months. He has lied. He has a history of anger and control issues. He brazenly tried to get a local bank to sit on video evidence. He also has a very talkative co-conspirator and clean-up woman, KKL. I could go on and on, but we can, and most here have, read the evidence.
This self-appointed mock jury member votes to convict PF.

JMO

Edit to eliminate “beyond my wildest dreams” from first sentence.

It sure will be interesting to see what the defense brings to the table.
jmo

 

[GordianKnot]

It sure will be interesting to see what the defense brings to the table.
jmo

I'd recommend an Extra Strength bottle of Excedrin.

That poor public defender.
If he didn't suffer from migraines prior to this, he's going to before this trial is over.

JMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Besides an Extra Strength bottle of Excedrin, you mean?

Right I can't see them having much to go on.

 

[ab01]

Right I can't see them having much to go on.

I would love to have been or and be a fly on the wall while they are going over discovery. I'm sure there's a lot of looks by that poor public defender like dude what were you thinking.....

 

[ajaylee]

Right I can't see them having much to go on.

This.

I try to envision usual defense strategies and apply them here: challenge as much of the evidence as possible and/or offer a plausible alternate scenario to seed doubt in the jury's minds.

Part of the reason I'd like to see PF testify is because I think he would be forced to come up with a 'story' that fits the facts. Given his imagination and how smart he thinks he is, it would be quite a story, I'm sure. I'd like to hear it and I'd like to see the DA shred it.

Unfortunately, I don't think he's going to testify.

 

[ab01]

Thank you to those who have educated me on pings. Now I will play mock jury member. After being presented with all the other evidence, sorry to say I am not reasonably doubtful. Those pings and arcs do not outweigh evidence that PF was in KB’s home 11/22 which was the last day of her life. He had motive and means and as bungling as it was, a plan which he had brewing for months. He has lied. He has a history of anger and control issues. He brazenly tried to get a local bank to sit on video evidence. He also has a very talkative co-conspirator and clean-up woman, KKL. I could go on and on, but we can, and most here have, read the evidence.
This self-appointed mock jury member votes to convict PF.

JMO

Edit to eliminate “beyond my wildest dreams” from first sentence.

Mr. Bailiff please take Mr frazee into custody to spend the rest of his natural life.....oh what a glorious day that will be

 

[GordianKnot]

This.

I try to envision usual defense strategies and apply them here: challenge as much of the evidence as possible and/or offer a plausible alternate scenario to seed doubt in the jury's minds.

Part of the reason I'd like to see PF testify is because I think he would be forced to come up with a 'story' that fits the facts. Given his imagination and how smart he thinks he is, it would be quite a story, I'm sure. I'd like to hear it and I'd like to see the DA shred it.

Unfortunately, I don't think he's going to testify.

BBM:

Sadly, I concur.

We cannot possibly be so lucky.
It's too much to hope that PF will be taking the stand in his own defense, and by defense, I mean, pounding the nails in his own coffin. With a baseball bat.

Having said that, we might not be able to get PF up on that stand, but let me tell you who I'm really looking forward to hearing from under oath: Bro.

THAT is definitely going to be riveting and powerful witness testimony, considering SF2's profession.

It will also be interesting to see whether DA May calls him as a hostile witness for the prosecution.
He may need to do that.
Red blood is apparently thicker than Blue blood.

JMO.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I haven't posted for awhile but I still read here every day. I really appreciate all who do post and keep Kelsey's case alive and first page.

Nothing has changed my thoughts on this case. I still have no doubts at all that LE have their killer locked up. I do appreciate your research on the cell pings, Dave and Sandy. I'll be the first to say I'm no expert there, but I know more than I did. It's still my thought that Kelsey's phone was in PF possession from afternoon of Thanksgiving day until he gave it to KK when she left to go back to Idaho. It's pretty much a straight shot from WP to PF home. Then from there to Nash Ranch area later that evening. Then Colorado to Idaho. These are obvious. I don't know what made the phone look like it was traveling the other direction or the ping time differences. Still, even if someone else would have had the phone, I still believe PF is guilty of Kelsey's cruel murder. There's plenty that says yes.
I don't like KK any more than the rest of you. She's horrible. The main thing being that she could have prevented Kelsey's death, had she gone to police or even to Kelsey. If she took the coffee there, she knew where to find her.
I do believe she has told the truth to the best of her knowledge, after LE told her what evidence they had of her involvement. We know she lied in the beginning. Wouldn't we have liked to have been flies on the wall when LE tracked her down? I think she and PF both thought they had gotten away with murder. Not so. I'm sure a true testimony sounded better than twenty or thirty years in prison, and still does, I might add. She didn't turn the table on PF because she wanted to. She had no other choice. I think she would be afraid not to be completely truthful. And yes she's guilty too, of her involvement before and after, but I believe LE, that she was in Idaho the day of the murder.
Finally, I have no reason to question LE findings on this case. They know a lot more than I do and I believe they have a wealth of evidence that we haven't heard and most likely won't until trial.

Thanks to everybody for your posts. Whether or not I agree, I still read and appreciate your thoughts and opinions.

 

[GordianKnot]

I haven't posted for awhile but I still read here every day. I really appreciate all who do post and keep Kelsey's case alive and first page.

Nothing has changed my thoughts on this case. I still have no doubts at all that LE have their killer locked up. I do appreciate your research on the cell pings, Dave and Sandy. I'll be the first to say I'm no expert there, but I know more than I did. It's still my thought that Kelsey's phone was in PF possession from afternoon of Thanksgiving day until he gave it to KK when she left to go back to Idaho. It's pretty much a straight shot from WP to PF home. Then from there to Nash Ranch area later that evening. Then Colorado to Idaho. These are obvious. I don't know what made the phone look like it was traveling the other direction or the ping time differences. Still, even if someone else would have had the phone, I still believe PF is guilty of Kelsey's cruel murder. There's plenty that says yes.
I don't like KK any more than the rest of you. She's horrible. The main thing being that she could have prevented Kelsey's death, had she gone to police or even to Kelsey. If she took the coffee there, she knew where to find her.
I do believe she has told the truth to the best of her knowledge, after LE told her what evidence they had of her involvement. We know she lied in the beginning. Wouldn't we have liked to have been flies on the wall when LE tracked her down? I think she and PF both thought they had gotten away with murder. Not so. I'm sure a true testimony sounded better than twenty or thirty years in prison, and still does, I might add. She didn't turn the table on PF because she wanted to. She had no other choice. I think she would be afraid not to be completely truthful. And yes she's guilty too, of her involvement before and after, but I believe LE, that she was in Idaho the day of the murder.
Finally, I have no reason to question LE findings on this case. They know a lot more than I do and I believe they have a wealth of evidence that we haven't heard and most likely won't until trial.

Thanks to everybody for your posts. Whether or not I agree, I still read and appreciate your thoughts and opinions.

AnnaGrace, what a powerful post!
Thank you so much for sharing these valuable thoughts, insights, and observations.

Your quoted post above reflects a great deal of time, attention to, and investment in, ensuring KB receives whatever justice can be rendered through our legal system.

Wish there was a way we could flag this post and email it to DA May, as he could use quotes from it during his opening and/or closing arguments before the jury.

I agree with every single word.

JMO.

 

[AnnaGrace]

AnnaGrace, what a powerful post!
Thank you so much for sharing these valuable thoughts, insights, and observations.

Your quoted post above reflects a great deal of time, attention to, and investment in, ensuring KB receives whatever justice can be rendered through our legal system.

Wish there was a way we could flag this post and email it to DA May, as he could use quotes from it during his opening and/or closing arguments before the jury.

I agree with every single word.

JMO.

Thank you GK! Your words are so kind and appreciated, I hardly know what to say! I'm very flattered, but I truly believe LE and the DA have all they need to wrap up a nice package and tie it in a bow. PF and KK took care of that. The trail they left led straight to them. And we thank them for it. As far as justice, it's always my thought, in cases like these, that there is none. But, at least PF will pay with his freedom, if not his life. KK won't get what she deserves, but her life will be miserable at her own making. People won't forget. My thoughts are always with Kelsey's family. Although little K won't remember, she'll never know her mother. All of their lives are changed forever. PF did this.
I don't post much but I read every word of every post and take them into consideration.
We have some great minds here and every poster adds something. It's been almost ten years that I've followed WS. I first started reading here when Morgan Harrington went missing, although I didn't join until Hannah Graham's case. These were pretty local for me. I followed quite a few cases between the two. I love WS and it's the only place I follow. I do read links here to other sites. I've never found more knowledgeable, caring people than right here.
I didn't mean to get carried away, but again, thank you so very much!

 

[mustloveco]

This is a Google Earth shot of the area where PF and KB's phones pinged and disappeared on the evening of November 22, 2018. The red arc is PF's 10:05 ping from the LE chart on Page 13 of SW 18-118, Affidavit A. The green ring is KB's 10:03 pm ping. Sorry, Google doesn't have a "teal" line color option, so I got as close as I could. The blue arc is the distance from the Cripple Creek tower that the two phones would have been at 10:15, when they dropped out of coverage, and 10:48 pm, when the reappeared. There is a straight green line that is the Teller-Park county ine, inserted by Google.
I have dropped a red pin at the intersection of Highways 11 and 112. Highway 11 approaches from Florissant going south, to a "T" intersection. It's a stop sign, then a turn to the right goes toward RS's horse ranch, and a turn to the left soon veers straight south past the entrance to the Nash ranch red barn area.
I have dropped yellow pins at the key points where the arc lines intersect the road. Note there are multiple locations for the same ping or passage into the no coverage zone(s). The times are very important to establish direction of travel.
I have placed a yellow box around an area that unconfirmed rumors say the FBI recently flew over, with a local person's drone camera. The actual intersection of PF's phone ping arc and KB's phone ping arc, as you can see, is in steep country without roads.
I have heard rumors that this area contains PF's high altitude US Forest Service cattle lease, and I have also heard that you can drive from Highway 112 to Nash ranch red barn, if you have a 4 wheel drive vehicle, lots of keys for all the locked gates, and a few hours to spend. I can't confirm those, either.
I've studied this map several times, actually remaking it several times to adjust for minor errors or things in the LE descriptions that were confusing until read and checked. What I get out of it is absolutely nothing. LE's theory, so far, is that both phones were traveling together toward RS's horse ranch I see PF's could have, but if it did, KB's missed the turn at the red pin and had to backtrack fast to catch up with PF in the no phone zone. KKL is going to testify that both phones went straight to Nash ranch barn. I see KB's phone going in the direction of Nash ranch red barn. I can't help but wonder if PF didn't go home, eat and back to CC and PC's horse ranch, which is in a real dead zone. The ring where coverage is dropped is determined by time, not distance measured at one time.
I guess we'll have to wait for the trial, to see who says what and who the jury tends to believe. As always, IMO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-118 Search Warrant.pdf

There is a video of WPU going onto Nash ranch

 

[Noharg]

It sure will be interesting to see what the defense brings to the table.
jmo

Oh, I’m sure some pings and arcs. Maybe a blonde.
JMO