CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #8

[Deleted member 169742]

Wow! This paints a picture of PF, and it ain’t pretty.

“She said: 'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.'

Recalling a rodeo in nearby town Cripple Creek several years ago, she described Frazee losing his cool with his horse.

She said: 'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.”

I have never been a horse beater

But, with respect, many of the trainers and ranchers I have been associated with are quite demonstrative with their horses.

Never quite understood

But none of them ever were disrespectful to their husbands and wives ... quite the opposite

Am not sure what I would take from those observations... <modsnipped sweeping generalization with no link>

 

[susiQ]

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Neighbors described fiancé of missing Colorado woman as 'quiet' and 'good' | Daily Mail Online

This article scares me. I have a very bad feeling about what happened to Kelsey now. If neighbours and ex's are talking this way, it's not good.

 

[Beamer15]

Christmas wish list:

#1. I want to know what Kelsey's text to PF said.

Feel free to add yours to the list.

I want to know why PF won't talk to LE

 

[Jennifer17]

If he had cattle to tend to, he would really need to live close to them. KB didn't want to live there with the mother (understandable). So perhaps she bought the home in WP and they were trying to save up money so they could their own place close to his cattle. That would seem to make perfect sense. In the article, KB's elderly neighbor said she thought PF lived with KB. So I take that to mean he was at the house a lot.

15 miles is not a long way to go to tend to cattle. If they were all on his 35 acres and he had horses too, he could only run about ten.

 

[MassGuy]

Holy Moly! I knew it wouldn’t be long until folks started to talk. Mean to animals, hmmm, hmmm,hmmm.

Yeah. And apparently cheating on a hospitalized girlfriend.

Other than that and cruelty to animals, nothing to see here...

 

[gliving]

Wow! This paints a picture of PF, and it ain’t pretty.

“She said: 'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.'

Recalling a rodeo in nearby town Cripple Creek several years ago, she described Frazee losing his cool with his horse.

She said: 'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.”

It makes me sick to read that.

 

[NanZDrew]

Please no. Not unless at the hands of me eating them.

Think they would be a little stale by now and hard as a rock.

 

[NanZDrew]

Holy Moly! I knew it wouldn’t be long until folks started to talk. Mean to animals, hmmm, hmmm,hmmm.

That is the red flag that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have never been a horse beater

But, with respect, many of the trainers and ranchers I have been associated with are quite demonstrative with their horses.

Never quite understood

But none of them ever were disrespectful to their husbands and wives ... quite the opposite

Am not sure what I would take from those observations... other than he was a bit typical

These incidents were not related to training them, but instances of him lashing out with anger and violence to them when things didn't go his way.
Very telling IMO.

 

[evpw]

LE?

To me, this is really important. If she was supposed to go out that night, I hope LE knows who it was with, and if she was being picked up. If that is the case, then it would explain both her cars being there, and only things she would need "to go out" being missing (i.e. her purse).

I have a lot of faith in LE with all of these cases, so I'm certain they know these answers.

who’s LE?

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Wow! This paints a picture of PF, and it ain’t pretty.

“She said: 'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.'

Recalling a rodeo in nearby town Cripple Creek several years ago, she described Frazee losing his cool with his horse.

She said: 'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.”

Oh, I thought that had already been brought up here. It is so hard to separate what we read on sites we're not supposed to discuss here vs other sites that are, well, "free for alls" at times. I must have read that on another site a few days ago and took it with a grain of salt given the forum. Hmmmm...

 

[Irmese]

All of CWs people spoke very kindly of him too.

John Wayne Gacy was a wonderful guy.

 

[MyBelle]

Does it seem to anyone else that when law enforcement "pleads" with PF to sit down with their investigator for an interview, that indicates they have a weak case against him?

If you have a strong case, you don't need an interview---you just arrest the person.

I think it is just a reminder to the public--the potential jury pool-- that PF isn't really cooperating.

Wow! This paints a picture of PF, and it ain’t pretty.

“She said: 'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.'

Recalling a rodeo in nearby town Cripple Creek several years ago, she described Frazee losing his cool with his horse.

She said: 'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.”

In the dog training videos PF posted online, the dogs look terrified of him. I couldn't look at all of them. PF appears to have some very serious anger management issues. JMO

 

[gitana1]

Everyone said similar about Chris Watts too.

Yes. Except this one is slightly different. No one said anything bad about CW. He appeared to possibly be enmeshed with mama, but this guy PF actually still lives with his AND didn't move in with his fiance?

He's been described as abusive to animals. The portion of the video I watched of him showing some dogs for sale, rubbed me the wrong way. I can easily see him being abusive.

 

[LietKynes]

I want to know why PF won't talk to LE

IKR ?
All he'd have to tell them is how his day went, what he did and where he went ?
And is his mom capable of saying whether or not he was home and when ? And if he was gone for a day or more... who took care of the baby ?
Basic questions that could be answered easily.

 

[Seattle1]

I checked the route from Woodland Park, CO to Soap Lake, WA on my iPhone. You would literally drive right next to/through Gooding, ID. I think it is more than plausible to pass through Gooding to get to Eastern, WA. MOO

Yes -- unless you took the shorter route --which I mapped. Didn't say it was not possible.

 

[BRRI]

Family: Kelsey Berreth moved to Colorado to be closer to Frazee

Wow. So she started dating him before moving to Colorado, and didn’t live with him because of his mom. Interesting.

 

[LietKynes]

LE?

who’s LE?

law enforcement

Welcome to Websleuths, evpw !!!!

 

[esayer]

Public relations blunders aren't a sin MassGuy.

Facts not emotions.

Well the fact is he hasn't explained his non-actions at all. That isn't an emotion.

 

[MassGuy]

I have never been a horse beater

But, with respect, many of the trainers and ranchers I have been associated with are quite demonstrative with their horses.

Never quite understood

But none of them ever were disrespectful to their husbands and wives ... quite the opposite

Am not sure what I would take from those observations... other than he was a bit typical

Is it typical to get so angry that you flip your horse trailer though?

If other people in the business thought that he was out of line with some of his behavior, then he probably was.

That’s how I see it.