CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #63

[MyBelle]

Are there any consequences for pleading the 5th?

The consequences would be that the jury will believe she was involved with her son's crime and they'll convict him. It would much easier for her to say she doesn't recall or answer no. LE only has KK's word that his mother came out and watched the fire.

JMO

 

[kkdj]

But didn't I read you have to have a legitimate excuse to plead the fifth. And if the judge doesn't think it will incriminate you, he can order you to answer.
???

I think the key meaning is so as not to incriminate oneself. That in itself speaks volumes!

 

[MassGuy]

But didn't I read you have to have a legitimate excuse to plead the fifth. And if the judge doesn't think it will incriminate you, he can order you to answer.
???

Yeah, you can’t just plead the Fifth to protect someone else, or because you just don’t want to answer. It’s only to protect yourself from giving information that can later be used against you in court.

@gitana1 Can a judge tell someone they can’t plead the Fifth, if the judge doesn’t believe the answer will incriminate this person?

 

[susiQ]

Sounds awfully weak to me....from what I have heard their crosses so far have been less than earth shattering. What an uphill climb with a big monstrously heavy wheel that defense has! MOO

Especially with that freight train coming at them! Choo, Choo!!!

 

[kkdj]

I have always thought, with all the long driving KK did, that she herself was taking speed or something. She was very willing to get to PF and knew what the plan was and then what the outcome was.
I wouldn't want her to work for me, around me or take care of my loved ones. She's dangerous!
She sure got herself a sweet deal.
But, it will certainly put PF away forever.

 

[KayBe]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

 

[MyBelle]

Agreed hiring her will be difficult. However, didn't she tell PF that she carried these drugs with her.
Not that she had access as a nurse.

"Kenney said Frazee suggested that she drug Berreth’s favorite coffee drink, a caramel macchiato, and give it to Berreth. She also told police that she carried the drugs that she could use to poison the coffee."

Court Update: Patrick Frazee's Lover Was Told To Drug Kelsey Berreth's Coffee

Unless it is recorded differently than what I found.

The comment I'm remembering was from either the prelim or the arrest affidavit. I remember thinking at the time that a nurse doesn't have unfettered access to any drug and wondered if she was stealing pills prescribed to patients.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

The consequences would be that the jury will believe she was involved with her son's crime and they'll convict him. It would much easier for her to say she doesn't recall or answer no. LE only has KK's word that his mother came out and watched the fire.

JMO

Interesting.....
But we do have someone other than KK's word there was a fire.

"Ritchie said after Thanksgiving he saw the pallets burned and saw Frazee near the fire."

We haven't been privy to every sentence at the trial, so it could be that the ranch hands saw PF's mom come out on the porch. As the trial goes on this information may come out.

Too many times when we think we actually got it down how it went down, then somebody else testifies and gives just a little bit more information and we end up with more to the puzzle.

Former ranch hands testify in Frazee murder trial

 

[susiQ]

The consequences would be that the jury will believe she was involved with her son's crime and they'll convict him. It would much easier for her to say she doesn't recall or answer no. LE only has KK's word that his mother came out and watched the fire.

JMO

They are not going to convict PF based on his mother's testimony. They will convict him on the mountain of evidence that has been brought forward in this trial. Honestly, SF1 is like putting the cherry on the top. A little something extra, but really doesn't make the sundae
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[Warwick7]

I want to add.....
KK said there was a trough perse in the yard she hadn't seen before. She wondered who moved it there. Maybe someone has that link.
It makes sense for one ranch hand testified:

Ritchie stated: "He said the errands Frazee asked him and Dygert to do around Thanksgiving, including moving the trailer and stacking several wooden pallets...Ritchie said after Thanksgiving he saw the pallets burned and saw Frazee near the fire."
"Ritchie also said around Thanksgiving Frazee asked him to move a rusty metal trough from an area north of the house closer to the dog kennels. That's the same area where Krystal Kenney said Kelsey Berreth's body was burned."

 

[susiQ]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

So very sorry for your loss, KayBe. I know exactly how you feel. It's the children that keep us going. It gives us a reason to go on despite the overwhelming sorrow that would swallow us up otherwise. Stay strong!

 

[Owutatangledweb]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

So sorry you have had to go through that. Losing a child can never completely heal. I am glad you have your grandson. (Hugs)

 

[Marysmith]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

KayBe, I am so sorry for you losing your daughter. I cannot imagine how painful that would be. It’s amazing that you are raising your grandson now and surrounding him with so much love. Wishing you All the Best Always.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

I am so very very sorry. I hope life grows increasingly happier with your lovely grandson and you find consolation and purpose to ease your pain.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think Alathea was responding to my post about CC not being able to "add" up the evidence. PF neither for that matter

Oops! Well the same can be said for both, I guess.
Neither one appear to be too bright, or any of PF's friends, for that matter.

Imo

 

[Ccging]

I know many of us are wondering if RS will take the stand.

I thought I read somewhere early on where PF took his truck to RS’ shop for some work to be done in the days following the murder?

Many have questioned if they replaced a bedliner in PF’s truck.

So my question is, if RS is called, would he plead the 5th on any questions regarding work he may have done on PF’s truck?

I’m sure any work done was off the books and not trackable.

 

[BeckyF]

I’m just a lurker usually, and I only have this to add ... I feel for so bad for CB. The baby, KB, is THE only thing she has left of her daughter. I feel like the baby keeps her going in all of this mess. The reason I know somewhat how she feels is this ... My daughter was killed (not murder) but dead just the same. She left her son for me to raise. His dad has never been in his life. He is the only reason, after her death, that I was even able to get out of bed every day. He kept me going, even at times when I just knew I couldn’t. I imagine little KB is CB’s life saver, just like my precious grandson has been to me. God bless her for her strength, because I dont know if I could endure what she’s having to. It’s hard enough just surviving from day to day without her precious daughter. I don’t believe I could be as strong. I ended up being heavily medicated for three years afterwards, and am only now able to get through hard times. But not really.

I'm so sorry for what you've been through.

 

[Warwick7]

I know many of us are wondering if RS will take the stand.

I thought I read somewhere early on where PF took his truck to RS’ shop for some work to be done in the days following the murder?

Many have questioned if they replaced a bedliner in PF’s truck.

So my question is, if RS is called, would he plead the 5th on any questions regarding work he may have done on PF’s truck?

I’m sure any work done was off the books and not trackable.

Did someone post earlier that RS sitting with CC. Maybe I got that wrong. If not, since he's in the room does that mean he won't be testifying?

 

[KayBe]

I didn’t mean to derail the thread and seem selfish. I just pray for CB and wish I could comfort her in some small way. God bless her!! Thanks everyone.

 

[Ccging]

Did someone post earlier that RS sitting with CC. Maybe I got that wrong. If not, since he's in the room does that mean he won't be testifying?

I’m not sure if he’s been in the room, but yes I believe witnesses can only be in the trial after they are finished testifying.

I’m hopeful he is on the prosecution’s witness list. IMO he is a pretty big witness.