CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #1

[margarita25]

BERTHOUD, Colo. - A driver's window shattered as his car was traveling on Interstate 25 in the Berthoud area Sunday morning, and investigators said they're not ruling out that this is linked to three random shootings in northern Colorado that injured one and killed two.

As of Sunday evening, a spokesman for the Weld County Sheriff's Office said it was unknown what caused the window to break and that no projectile had been found.*

“We're trying to figure out what could cause it,” said Corporal Sean Standridge.“We're just stumped.”


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[margarita25]

"The driver, who didn't want to be identified, told 7NEWS he was driving a mile south of exit 250 at about 10:45 a.m. when the window on his side of the car shattered.

"There was just a big explosion. I mean, a real loud bang," the man said. "The window just disintegrated. I was in shock at the time."

He said his girlfriend was in the passenger seat. Neither were hurt, but they briefly wondered if they had been shot.

"She says 'Are you hit?' and I said, 'I don't think so,'" the man said. "I was feeling around.""

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[margarita25]

"Standridge said his office has checked with meteorologists about the impacts of temperature change, looked to universities for any research on the issue and talked to CDOT about anything it might be doing differently on the interstate. He said a bullet or BB would typically get lodged in the car or break the other window.

Standridge said because Sunday's incident remains a mystery, the sheriff's office can't rule out a link to the three recent cases in northern Colorado involving an unknown shooter, or shooters."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[margarita25]

"The FBI is now investigating those confirmed shootings, and Standridge said more investigators will be joining the case."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[Kip]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear... windshields don't shatter from rock debris (that I know of) but they are almost always cracked...or have those stars that spread ... I swear I can't keep one crack-free more than a few months... rock debris is not unusual but so much rock debris that it's shattering glass in a poof is...

There are a lot of rocks around here...

Exactly. I've been driving for 45+ years. I've twice had a rock create those little craters from which cracks sometimes spread. I've never heard of a windshield shattering. When they were repaving the freeway around here, tons of people had their windshields damaged by rocks - there were daily newspaper reports about it - but I don't recall reading about any windshields shattering. If windshields shattered from a small rock being thrown up at it, that could be really dangerous.

Windshields typically get damaged when a vehicle in front of or in front and to the side kicks up a rock. I wonder in how many of these cases of shattered windshields there was another vehicle close by that could have done it.

I think it would be likely that a side window would shatter from a rock.

It would be interesting to find out from local windshield repair companies if there's been an uptick in business for replacing shattered windshields.

 

[margarita25]

"The woman's husband says they were driving southbound on Interstate 25 when the glass all of the sudden shattered. He says they were a couple of miles south of the Berthoud exit.

It's unclear what went through the window, the husband said. They could not find anything inside."

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/06/07/shattered-windows-i-25-weld-county/28648823/

 

[DexterMorgan]

Exactly. I've been driving for 45+ years. I've twice had a rock create those little craters from which cracks sometimes spread. I've never heard of a windshield shattering. When they were repaving the freeway around here, tons of people had their windshields damaged by rocks - there were daily newspaper reports about it - but I don't recall reading about any windshields shattering. If windshields shattered from a small rock being thrown up at it, that could be really dangerous.

Windshields typically get damaged when a vehicle in front of or in front and to the side kicks up a rock. I wonder in how many of these cases of shattered windshields there was another vehicle close by that could have done it.

I think it would be likely that a side window would shatter from a rock.

It would be interesting to find out from local windshield repair companies if there's been an uptick in business for replacing shattered windshields.

Agree. It usually comes from kick back of a truck in front of you. It leaves a mark but not a shatter. And its directly to the front windshield. And if glass is inside your car then something went through.

The young girl had it enter her car and neck and then exit. So either this isnt a shooting or the shooter was further away and using home made bullets.

I would check straight gun powder sales as well.

 

[searchinGirl]

So where is the evidence of the road debris?

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Foxfire, if this is the case then where would the perp be getting the money for such expensive firearms and ammunition?

 

[margarita25]

FWIW:
Jacoby was killed at "approximately 10:15 am":
http://www.westword.com/news/bill-c...ice-investigating-noco-shooting-links-6726797

The latest shattering incident this morning occurred at 10:00 am per this report (note "apparently shot out"):
"WELD COUNTY – The Weld County Sheriff's Office confirms that a woman reported that her driver's side window had been apparently shot out at 10 a.m. Sunday."
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/06/07/shattered-windows-i-25-weld-county/28648823/

And 10:45 am per this report:
"The driver, who didn't want to be identified, told 7NEWS he was driving a mile south of exit 250 at about 10:45 a.m. when the window on his side of the car shattered."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[margarita25]

"On May 18, 2015, at approximately 10:15 a.m., 47-year-old John Jacoby was riding his bicycle (with a small trailer attached)."
http://www.westword.com/news/bill-c...ice-investigating-noco-shooting-links-6726797

*note "with a small trailer attached".

 

[margarita25]

Bringing forward Forager's map, so you guys can see where today's incident (Berthoud) is in relation to the other incidents:



Mead, Platteville, Lyons are possible areas of interest imo (of course as mentioned a lot upstream, Greeley. Zapped had mentioned Garden City also).

Forager and FHG are very sorely missed here right now.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Excerpt from Margarita25's link: "Dozens of drivers have reported shattered windows in Weld and Larimer counties in recent months, many along I-25.

Weld County received 22 reports of shattered windows in the month of April alone, nearly three times more reports than previously known. However, investigators determined that 16 were likely from road debris, temperature changes or vibrations."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

 

[margarita25]

(IF this is connected, note the migration south immediately after WC that I anticipated upstream, not to say he'll necessarily go south again. Jmo, moo, imo.)

 

[margarita25]

Excerpt from Margarita25's link: "Dozens of drivers have reported shattered windows in Weld and Larimer counties in recent months, many along I-25.

Weld County received 22 reports of shattered windows in the month of April alone, nearly three times more reports than previously known. However, investigators determined that 16 were likely from road debris, temperature changes or vibrations."
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ries-in-sundays-incident-at-the-berthoud-exit

(Your name always makes me smile. )

 

[Foxfire]

Keep in mind most of these windows are side windows , not windshields. IMHO , if all these windows broke from simple road debris NO ONE would find it odd that it's happening now. Think of all the cars that travel highways. Imagine how many broken windows there would be if it was just road debris.
As for de-escalating , foxfire would would be he person to ask. Moo, sure, at least for a while but I've been wrong before.

SugarQueen, I am not buying the sudden increase of side windows being broken due to road debris projectiles. If this was the case there would also likely be an increased number of side mirrors and other vehicle damage involved.
Imo, LE has been downplaying this incident from day one to prevent the public's panic. Task Forces of local, state, and federal investigative agencies are reserved for Violent Gangs, Organized Crime, Drug Cartels, Sexual Predators/Serial Killers, Terrorist Org/Cell investigations, etc.
'The Shattered Windows due to Road Debris Task Force' would be a first, imo..

That seems just SO weird to me. I'm from the East Coast so maybe someone in CO can weigh in, but... huh? I've never in my life once heard of someone's car window shattering because of rocks on the road but apparently in Northern Colorado it happens dozens of times a month? Are the highways covered in rocks? So confused

On the lighter side, Luckyseven, guess we now know where the name 'Rocky Road' Ice cream originated'..

Foxfire, if this is the case then where would the perp be getting the money for such expensive firearms and ammunition?

SearchinGirl, sadly we will not know the answer to that and many other questions, until and if, he/she/they are identified and apprehended. It could be from many various legitimate sources, or not.. Many folks support alcohol and or drug addictions that can cost them hundred$ or even thousand$ per day. Many will do whatever it takes to support their addictions.. Firearms are often times traded for drugs or easily sold on the black market.

The Financial Cost of Drug Addiction and Alcohol Abuse
http://www.patmoorefoundation.com/financial-cost-drug-addiction-and-alcohol-abuse

 

[margarita25]

Have there been any incidents in Boulder County? If not, I was find this potentially noteworthy. Jmo.

Eta: Map of Colorado Counties for reference:


ezilion.com

 

[Foxfire]

Are Northern Colorado shootings 'serial' incidents?
http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...colorado-shootings-serial-incidents/28581045/

FORT COLLINS - Loveland police are working with a Northern Colorado task force to establish what, if any, characteristics tie Wednesday's shooting death of 65-year-old William Connole to the already-linked attacks that killed a Windsor man and seriously injured a Milliken woman.

Regardless, residents, officials and media organizations are beginning to describe the string of incidents as "serial" shootings and even serial killings — the Twitter hashtag "#serialsniper" was featured on an HLN program last month.

So what exactly defines a "serial" shooting or killing? Definitions vary widely, but here's a few things to consider.

The FBI defines a serial murder as "the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events."

With that definition in mind, some in law enforcement — currently and formerly — have already considered the shootings serial incidents.
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Larimer County Sheriff Justin Smith in an online statement determined the Windsor and I-25 incidents constituted "a serial shooting situation."

Ray Martinez, a former undercover narcotics detective with Fort Collins police, said the two already linked shootings, "indicates this is a serial problem. If you punch someone once, it might be an accident. A second punch is reckless. A third punch is intentional. A third event that is linked indicates you have a pattern.''

 

[margarita25]

This morning's shattered incident has been added to Forager's much appreciated case map for reference:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kzPJOvnNDQio

 

[margarita25]

At this time none of the shatterings have been linked to the tied shootings of JJ and CR (or WC). So, if we remove the known shooting incidents for a moment and look strictly at the shatterings. Since no bullet(s) have been recovered that we know about:

Greeley has been a hot topic of local discussion due to recent earthquakes and their possible link to fracking:

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2014/06/02/did-fracking-fluid-cause-greeley-quake/9887001/

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...quake-one-month-shakes-greeley-area/11314359/

I'm not saying this is the case, but while trying to think of different ideas of why so many car windows would shatter in the same area, I think of possible things like heat and pressure. The map above reminds me of a fault line, which is why I was reminded of Greeley.

I do not think this is the cause of the shatterings, but am bringing the aspects of pressure and other possible geological variables to the table, fwiw.

 

[Foxfire]

This morning's shattered incident has been added to Forager's much appreciated case map for reference:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kzPJOvnNDQio

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Margarita25, I can't get over the enormous help that Forager's mapping has provided in this case..
I find it interesting that todays shattered window incident appears to be virtually right on top of the 04/21/2015 jail van shattered window incident.. If the incident were related to the CO serial shooter investigation. I have to wonder what the intended message would be..