CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

[PrairieWind]

SugarQueen, I honor and respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree.. It makes perfect sense that the shooter would attempt to go dark due to the amount of awareness created in this case and the recent doubling of the reward amount to $20,000.00 and a vehicle of interest. Hopefully the release of a sketch or description of a person of interest will soon follow by the CO sniper/serial killer task force.

It wont silence him forever. Do serial killers ever just quit? He may hold off for a while, let things calm down, but he will be back. In fact, if the vehicle of interest mentioned isn't his or even close, it could encourage him; he knows people are looking for the wrong things. I think that happened with the beltway snipers and the "white vans." Its difficult to say what recent shatterings are likely his. But I am afraid he wont be satisfied with just breaking windows any more.

 

[Foxfire]

here is another article covering the window shattering yesterday...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28326097/window-shattered-along-interstate-25-tuesday-afternoon
the latest advice to us..."If you see something that may be out of place or something that just doesn't feel right, please contact police immediately"

I drove by this exact spot yesterday about an hour before this happened... and I wish more people would be willing to talk about all this...I was in Loveland over the weekend and met 2 young adult men from Berthoud that hadn't heard anything about the shootings or shatterings...I think many don't watch TV, don't read the news and basically don't want to talk about it...just keeping their heads in the sand....

Sadly the head in the sand reaction is common in most high profile cases, searchinGirl.. As we are aware, there are many reasons for this..
Also, I'm sure that many Coloradans see the headlines in MSM about the Co Shooter, but either ignore it, or may even confuse it with James Holmes and the Aurora, CO, movie theater shooting, since his trial is in progress.

 

[Foxfire]

It wont silence him forever. Do serial killers ever just quit? He may hold off for a while, let things calm down, but he will be back. In fact, if the vehicle of interest mentioned isn't his or even close, it could encourage him; he knows people are looking for the wrong things. I think that happened with the beltway snipers and the "white vans." Its difficult to say what recent shatterings are likely his. But I am afraid he wont be satisfied with just breaking windows any more.

PrairieWind, yes there has been cases of serial killers going dormant or just quitting, but in most cases it is only a temporary sabbatical, imo. I shared a story in the last thread about following the ongoing ms media updates of two active serial killers and one active spree killer in July of 2009. Once their sketches and vehicle description were released to the public by LE via local/national MSM. All three went on the run/the defensive and were brought to justice within 36 hours; the 2 serial killers arrested and the Gaffney, SC Spree Killer was killed by LE. All three wanted suspects were brought to justice due to an aware citizen's tip...
The most important common denominator, imo, was that no more innocent victim's lives were taken once the hunters/killers became the hunted/prey..

Imo, the North CO Serial Sniper/Killer likely has gone on the defensive due to the task force releasing the info on the vehicle of interest..

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder
SERIAL MURDER
FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit-2
National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime
Critical Incident Response Group
Federal Bureau of Investigation
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Myth: Serial killers are only motivated by sex.

All serial murders are not sexually-based. There are many other motivations for serial murders including anger, thrill, financial gain, and attention seeking.

Myth: All serial murderers travel and operate interstate.

Most serial killers have very defined geographic areas of operation. They conduct their killings within comfort zones that are often defined by an anchor point (e.g. place of residence, employment, or residence of a relative). Serial murderers will, at times, spiral their activities outside of their comfort zone, when their confidence has grown through experience or to avoid detection. Very few serial murderers travel interstate to kill.

Myth: Serial killers cannot stop killing.

It has been widely believed that once serial killers start killing, they cannot stop. There are, however, some serial killers who stop murdering altogether before being caught. In these instances, there are events or circumstances in offenders&#8217; lives that inhibit them from pursuing more victims. These can include increased participation in family activities, sexual substitution, and other diversions.

 

[PrairieWind]

Foxfire, that is interesting. Is it that those things, family, diversions etc, reduce the desire to kill or limit their opportunities to plan/carry out the killings?

 

[Foxfire]

Foxfire, that is interesting. Is it that those things, family, diversions etc, reduce the desire to kill or limit their opportunities to plan/carry out the killings?

RE: Myth: Serial killers cannot stop killing.

It has been widely believed that once serial killers start killing, they cannot stop. There are, however, some serial killers who stop murdering altogether before being caught. In these instances, there are events or circumstances in offenders&#8217; lives that inhibit them from pursuing more victims. These can include increased participation in family activities, sexual substitution, and other diversions.

PrairieWind, imo, the desire will always be there. Once the threshold from fantasy to dark reality has been crossed, there is no turning back voluntarily, imo. It is synonymous to chasing the dragon in drug addiction scenarios, imo. There are many different scenarios and plausible explanations for a predator to temporarily quit killing, but the will to kill will always be there, imo...

Serial Killers - A Homicide Detective's Take
By Lieutenant Nelson Andreu (Retired)
Miami Police Department
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html

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4. Victim Selection <Sniped & BBM -read more>

Unexpectedly, I have observed that most serial killers never actually find and kill their "dream victim."
Ignoring for a moment the disparity between deviant human and normal feline behavior, a serial killer can be compared to a hungry lion that lies in wait for his favorite meal. It may be the lion knows an impala has the most tender or tasty meat. He waits for an opportunity to kill and eat the impala and in doing so may allow easy but not-so-attractive prey to pass unmolested. In time, hunger pains growing and no impala in sight, the famished lion will settle for an unwary bird that happens by. After devouring the bird, which gives his hunger a brief respite, the lion again has time to savor the taste of an impala, and the cycle begins again.

Like the lion, a serial killer just will not defer acting out his urge to kill simply because his "ideal" victim refuses to materialize at his beck and call. But his reason for settling for something less divulges from that of the lion. There are two basic, interrelated reasons for this disparity. The first centers on the extra caution exercised by a serial killer in his search for a victim; the second, upon the nature of the compulsion that drives him to violence.

 

[margarita25]

Another shattered window incident on I-25 http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/06/16/another-shattered-window-incident-on-i-25/28835143/
*video at link

* "A truck's passenger-side window"
* "traveled southbound near West 136th Avenue in Westminster"
* "The GMC truck was in the center lane of I-25 and there was not a vehicle in the lane next to truck when the window shattered"
* "Westminster Police responded to the scene around 3:30 p.m.'
* "The vehicle was towed to the Westminster Police Department for processing."
* "It's not known what caused the glass to shatter."
* "Police have not said if Tuesday's incident is connected."
* "Westminster PD has been in contact with the task force."

(Westminster PD was amazing during Jessica's case. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, they can. Jmo.)

 

[PrairieWind]

In this case, we don't know if the killer has a "dream victim." The people he has actually shot don't seem to have much in common, so its hard to know if they were picked for any reason specific to them other than opportunity. As far as the windows being shot out, it would be hard to imagine that the shooter could really even see the driver very well. Do the vehicles themselves have anything in common? Two victims werent in vehicles at all. To me, right now, it seems that the 3 shooting victims were probably just people in the wrong place at the wrong time, their paths and the shooter's path crossed, he was ready, the "coast was clear" and he attacked.

 

[margarita25]

this is pretty far away...Aurora is southeast of Denver and it is huge...

Lots of crime and gangs in Aurora, jmo.

"Police say three vehicle's windows were shattered. The first one took place at 12:40 a.m. on Wednesday. The second incident was at 2:03 a.m., and the third incident was at 2:58 a.m."

3 cars' windows shattered overnight in Aurora
http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/17/aurora-car-windows/28859907/

I have to wonder if this is a copycat / gang activity, jmo.

 

[PrairieWind]

LE has been very cagey about saying that the window shatterings are perhaps related to the shooter/killings. However, that so many of these recent shatterings are being investigated and in this case (perhaps others) the police are towing the vehicle to have it processed, indicates that there is some evidence out there that the shatterings are indeed related. Otherwise, why invest so much officer time and resources to investigate broken windows? I am guessing the task force knows they are related based upon some as yet unreleased evidence.

 

[PrairieWind]

Lots of crime and gangs in Aurora, jmo.

"Police say three vehicle's windows were shattered. The first one took place at 12:40 a.m. on Wednesday. The second incident was at 2:03 a.m., and the third incident was at 2:58 a.m."

3 cars' windows shattered overnight in Aurora
http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/17/aurora-car-windows/28859907/

I have to wonder if this is a copycat / gang activity, jmo.

Who knows. Parts of Aurora are indeed pretty rough, and the times of the shootings would say to me that they don't have anything to do with our shooter. I think our guy is more rural or suburban, not inner city.

 

[FindHG]

Lots of crime and gangs in Aurora, jmo.

"Police say three vehicle's windows were shattered. The first one took place at 12:40 a.m. on Wednesday. The second incident was at 2:03 a.m., and the third incident was at 2:58 a.m."

3 cars' windows shattered overnight in Aurora
http://www.9news.com/story/news/crime/2015/06/17/aurora-car-windows/28859907/

I have to wonder if this is a copycat / gang activity, jmo.

Welcome back, margarita25. Hope you had good rest, found these and the updates are all there. The new ones, post 12 am Wednesday should be up this afternoon. Hopefully, more information will be available soon. Please, note that the footage, pictures and angles on Mr. Zelinger report, the last one in the list below, seem to me relatively revealing and precise, especially when it comes to angles. If you happen to have the time to watch the various videos as well, there are any number of good aerials and perspective footage.


Posted for reference
(as of now all the links work. I've copied the links in full as is posted below,
so will be able to track how the links change, for future reference also).

news from last night, pre-midnight:


http://www.dailycamera.com/broomfie...te-shattered-window-i-25-connection-shootings

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28326097
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28326097/window-shattered-along-interstate-25-tuesday-afternoon

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/06/16/another-shattered-window-incident-on-i-25/28835143/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/06/16/police-investigate-another-shattered-window-incident-on-i-25/

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ruck-window-mysteriously-shattered-along-i-25




Adding post midnight Aurora shootings coverage found here:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...a-have-windows-shattered-police-investigating

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...a-have-windows-shattered-police-investigating

http://kdvr.com/2015/06/17/three-vehicle-windows-shattered-in-aurora/

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...report-passenger-windows-shattering-in-aurora

 

[searchinGirl]

this may sound lame but...any chance this could be two shooters competing against each other?

 

[Hatfield]

Wonder if this is our shooter? http://kdvr.com/2015/06/17/three-vehicle-windows-shattered-in-aurora/

Can anyone give me an idea where this is in relation to the other incidences? iPad is NOT letting me open google maps for some reason. Thanks

This is JMO
I am beginning to think we may have 2 different shooters.
One perp shooting some sort of exploding projectile at car windows and another perp who prefers to shoot real people. I think the murderer who shot the people may have gone into hiding until he is ready to strike again.

For the perp that is shooting at car windows, I think he has come up with some sort of unique contraption rig that does not leave evidence in the car. His main goal is to terrorize the victims by shattering their car window and he gets a thrill of watching their reaction as they are shocked.

I think that perp has a Scope of some sort because he seems to be able to hit these moving cars and yet the victims dont see him. So he must have a scope on his weapon. I dont know what kind of weapon or ammo he is using but I am pretty certain he has a scope on it.

I am really surprised there have not been any witnesses. I wonder if that perp is riding around in a Van and is shooting through a hole in the van wall.

Remember the DC sniper was shooting through the trunk. I wonder if this window breaking perp is shooting through the wall of his van while someone else is doing the driving. They may be taking turns shooting at cars. They have some special weapon with a scope that is not leaving evidence and they know they are not going to kill anyone and they just enjoy terrrizing them and watching their reactions.

 

[margarita25]

what troubles me now is the possibility of copycat "shatterers"---not only is it so dangerous for everyone on the road, it also tends to muddle an already complex situation / investigation, jmo.

 

[FindHG]

what troubles me now is the possibility of copycat "shatterers"---not only is it so dangerous for everyone on the road, it also tends to muddle an already complex situation / investigation, jmo.

If the Aurora shattered windows are copycat hits, as the two from yesterday seem to have more of the variables present that go along with the shooter incidents, this may draw the shooter out to distinguish himself. That would be a worst bad consequence that copycats may have, it seems to me, in impeding the investigation.

 

[margarita25]

"Each driver told police that there were no other cars on the road when their windows shattered."



http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...report-passenger-windows-shattering-in-aurora

(the above photo is taken from the above link, but does not have a description...I'm assuming this is a photo from one of these Aurora incidents, as opposed to some sort of "stock photo"?

Another thing to note, in the last recent incident in Ft C, that driver was "insistent" there were no other cars on the road....this is troubling, imo....maybe these incidents in Aurora could be related after all. And if so, the multiple incidents consecutively...troubling to say the least. Jmo

 

[FindHG]

The Westminster driver, as reported in Mr. Zelinger's, News7, report, linked up thread, was said to be travelling in the center lane. So the shooter may have timed it watching no cars nearby to witness where the shot came from, the central lane here:





Off Topic: I found the shot of the white dot I'd seen on the previous red car incident with the loud bang, in a 9News broadcast:

 

[PrairieWind]

This is JMO
I am beginning to think we may have 2 different shooters.
One perp shooting some sort of exploding projectile at car windows and another perp who prefers to shoot real people. I think the murderer who shot the people may have gone into hiding until he is ready to strike again.

For the perp that is shooting at car windows, I think he has come up with some sort of unique contraption rig that does not leave evidence in the car. His main goal is to terrorize the victims by shattering their car window and he gets a thrill of watching their reaction as they are shocked.

I think that perp has a Scope of some sort because he seems to be able to hit these moving cars and yet the victims dont see him. So he must have a scope on his weapon. I dont know what kind of weapon or ammo he is using but I am pretty certain he has a scope on it.

I am really surprised there have not been any witnesses. I wonder if that perp is riding around in a Van and is shooting through a hole in the van wall.

Remember the DC sniper was shooting through the trunk. I wonder if this window breaking perp is shooting through the wall of his van while someone else is doing the driving. They may be taking turns shooting at cars. They have some special weapon with a scope that is not leaving evidence and they know they are not going to kill anyone and they just enjoy terrrizing them and watching their reactions.

I also have wondered if there isn't two shooters in a few different scenarios. Perhaps as you indicated, one drives while the other shoots. The accuracy of some of the shots would seem to dictate this if the shots are coming from another moving vehicle. Or perhaps the shooters are unrelated, one doing the windows, the other shooting people. That may sound crazy, but what about this: maybe the killer is the copy-cat of the one shooting windows, not vice versa. Maybe this unstable person reads about windows being shot out on the interstate and in his crazy mind decides, "I can do better than that." Maybe he shoots out a few windows too, or maybe he starts with CR.

 

[Foxfire]

Wonder if this is our shooter? http://kdvr.com/2015/06/17/three-vehicle-windows-shattered-in-aurora/

Can anyone give me an idea where this is in relation to the other incidences? iPad is NOT letting me open google maps for some reason. Thanks

"WTH"!

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Aurora police said it has not contacted a task force that has been established in conjunction with the FBI that is looking into the earlier incidents.

 

[Hatfield]

If the Aurora shattered windows are copycat hits, as the two from yesterday seem to have more of the variables present that go along with the shooter incidents, this may draw the shooter out to distinguish himself. That would be a worst bad consequence that copycats may have, it seems to me, in impeding the investigation.

Yeah, its possible at least some of these were copycat as well.

I keep thinking about that Sniper movie and I do wonder if the perps have let that movie get to their heads and are mimicking the thrill or rush they get when pretending to be a sniper.

Since there are so many incidents, i have listed below what may likely be happening for some of them. Maybe a combination of these below:

-Perp #1 that saw the sniper movie and decided to become one for real (killed the people)

-Perp #2 (younger) that heard about the shootings in Loveland and decides he and his friend are going to play "sniper" and so they get out his fancy dancy Scope mounted C02 Pellet gun and drive around in his Van and shoot at car windows through a hole in Van wall.

-Possible road debri for some of them. Maybe some new roadwork was done and the State has used some new type of road surface that is now chipping apart and chunks are flying up hitting side windows.

I heard of a new road surface once where they used recycled glass bottles as part of the road. Maybe the State has used something like this and doesnt want to admit their own road is causing some of the incidents since it would be a liability issue.

The ones that bother me the most are the ones where the victims heard an "explosion" or loud pop. I suppose they could have been mistaken too since their window breaking could fool them into thinking a noise happened.

Either way, it seems we have some sort of shooter(s) because unless we can find out the road was recently paved or potholes filled, then it seems way too many.

Wait a minute....Pot-holes filled?

The state usually fills all the pot holes after the winter is over. Could Colorado be using some new substance this year in filling the potholes that is coming apart and flying up into car side windows?