CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

[searchinGirl]

I also have wondered if there isn't two shooters in a few different scenarios. Perhaps as you indicated, one drives while the other shoots. The accuracy of some of the shots would seem to dictate this if the shots are coming from another moving vehicle. Or perhaps the shooters are unrelated, one doing the windows, the other shooting people. That may sound crazy, but what about this: maybe the killer is the copy-cat of the one shooting windows, not vice versa. Maybe this unstable person reads about windows being shot out on the interstate and in his crazy mind decides, "I can do better than that." Maybe he shoots out a few windows too, or maybe he starts with CR.

or maybe in the case of CR one shattered the window, the other shot her...

 

[Hatfield]

this may sound lame but...any chance this could be two shooters competing against each other?

Not lame at all. Until these incidents can be explained, it could be something like that. Maybe 2 friends trying to compete with each other to see who can get their incidents in the newspaper. Then each day they compare notes and laugh with each other as they collect the news articles about their "work".

Its Possible.

 

[PrairieWind]

"WTH"!

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Aurora police said it has not contacted a task force that has been established in conjunction with the FBI that is looking into the earlier incidents.

Kind of surprising, but I think what it means is that Aurora police are pretty sure this is not related, ie the have a pretty good idea who did their shootings and its just a local, gang-related, or vandalism, etc.

 

[Forager]

I've mapped the three shatterings in Aurora from today. (But haven't yet updated the spreadsheet). Yesterday's shattering in Westminster (great coverage by Zelinger) already has a map marker and is in spreadsheet.

The three Aurora shatterings share a single purple circle at the south end of the screenshot below. The placement is very approximate. I'll try to find a better address soon. The Westminster shooting is another purple circle just a little further north.



Case Map

 

[PrairieWind]

Certainly the Westminster shattering is much more likely to be related than the Aurora ones, in my opinion. The weather here is much nicer today and will be the next few days. Hopefully that doesnt bring our shooter out again.

 

[Montjoy]

How many incidents has LE officially linked? Two of the shootings? I know that they're re-investigating many incidents, but is it not the case that they've only linked two incidents?

 

[Forager]

Original by Foxfire

"WTH"!

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Aurora police said it has not contacted a task force that has been established in conjunction with the FBI that is looking into the earlier incidents.

Kind of surprising, but I think what it means is that Aurora police are pretty sure this is not related, ie the have a pretty good idea who did their shootings and its just a local, gang-related, or vandalism, etc.

I'm figuring that statement by Aurora police about not contacting the NOCO Task force for some sort of jurisdictional kabuki. I have to believe that the local police and the NOCO Task Force got in touch at some level almost as soon as it happened, no?

 

[Hatfield]

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Another shattered window incident on I-25 http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/06/16/another-shattered-window-incident-on-i-25/28835143/
*video at link

* "A truck's passenger-side window"
* "traveled southbound near West 136th Avenue in Westminster"
* "The GMC truck was in the center lane of I-25 and there was not a vehicle in the lane next to truck when the window shattered"
* "Westminster Police responded to the scene around 3:30 p.m.'
* "The vehicle was towed to the Westminster Police Department for processing."
* "It's not known what caused the glass to shatter."
* "Police have not said if Tuesday's incident is connected."
* "Westminster PD has been in contact with the task force."

(Westminster PD was amazing during Jessica's case. If anyone can get to the bottom of this, they can. Jmo.)

Ok....that window is broke clear in the middle of the window in the most perfect position possible.

I think this is evidence that somebody is shooting at it because if it was just a random rock, it likely would not be right perfectly in the middle.

This to me shows someone aiming at that window. JMO of course.

We have got a "Serial Window Shooter-Outer" here.

Who may or may not be related to our definite "Serial Random Murderer Shooter".

 

[Foxfire]

How many incidents has LE officially linked? Two of the shootings? I know that they're re-investigating many incidents, but is it not the case that they've only linked two incidents?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ado-now-being-reviewed-by-shooting-task-force

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DENVER - Car windows that have shattered on northern Colorado highways are now being investigated by the task force looking into three shooting incidents -- which killed two people and wounded a third -- since April.

Cori Romero was shot on April 22, when a bullet was fired through her driver-side window as she drove onto I-25 near Fort Collins. She was wounded and survived.

On May 18, Windsor cyclist, John Jacoby, was found shot to death near Weld County Roads 15 and 72.

On June 3, William Connole, Jr. was shot and killed at East First Street and Saint Louis Avenue in Loveland.

The task force, comprised the FBI and multiple northern Colorado law enforcement agencies, has linked the shootings of Romero and Jacoby. The task force has said the shooting death of Connole is likely linked to the other two shootings.

 

[FindHG]

PrairieWind, imo, the desire will always be there. Once the threshold from fantasy to dark reality has been crossed, there is no turning back voluntarily, imo. It is synonymous to chasing the dragon in drug addiction scenarios, imo. There are many different scenarios and plausible explanations for a predator to temporarily quit killing, but the will to kill will always be there, imo...

Serial Killers - A Homicide Detective's Take
By Lieutenant Nelson Andreu (Retired)
Miami Police Department
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html

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4. Victim Selection <Sniped & BBM -read more>

Unexpectedly, I have observed that most serial killers never actually find and kill their "dream victim."
Ignoring for a moment the disparity between deviant human and normal feline behavior, a serial killer can be compared to a hungry lion that lies in wait for his favorite meal. It may be the lion knows an impala has the most tender or tasty meat. He waits for an opportunity to kill and eat the impala and in doing so may allow easy but not-so-attractive prey to pass unmolested. In time, hunger pains growing and no impala in sight, the famished lion will settle for an unwary bird that happens by. After devouring the bird, which gives his hunger a brief respite, the lion again has time to savor the taste of an impala, and the cycle begins again.

Like the lion, a serial killer just will not defer acting out his urge to kill simply because his "ideal" victim refuses to materialize at his beck and call. But his reason for settling for something less divulges from that of the lion. There are two basic, interrelated reasons for this disparity. The first centers on the extra caution exercised by a serial killer in his search for a victim; the second, upon the nature of the compulsion that drives him to violence.

With "The nature of the compulsion that drives him to violence," as you state and the "extra caution" that he may now apply, the adjustments to minimize his risk, it seems to me, that he gets off on toying with the LE and the public, as suggested earlier, like what he is doing, unlike other serial killers, is not a private thing in the shadows, but that it's the attention and thrill seeking that may motivate his acts.

It seems like this act connects him to those around him whom he's incapable of connecting to in a normal way. Like awkward gestures that brought him attention once, that escalated to this. In some weird way these acts of his, seems to me, to make him less lonely, more part of his world, in an extremely perverse and deadly way. Sorry to go on like this, but could that mean, that where he started out was something he did that set the pattern of getting everybody all up in arms and he liked it, in a sport or a profession or something, that went from normal performance to escalate to perverse thrill, thus your idea from earlier that he may be in the system. Lots of broken windows around him as he grew up it could be possible?

 

[margarita25]

From this marker then tilted below on an unmarked google map:

View attachment 76460 ~ View attachment 76461 ~ View attachment 76464 ~ View attachment 76465 posted here for reference, sorry for repeat.

Below, the purple dot, the most recent incident, is five miles north of where Cori was injured.

Thank you for all these images---re: the proximity of 6/15's shattering to CR and JJ:

The fact that this shattering has been determined to be a rock is interesting, and that the driver was "insistent" that no other cars were around, that LE is investigating whether someone threw the rock or fired it from a slingshot...

what is the maximum range / distance that someone can fire a rock through a slingshot? Also, what about putting a rock inside a gun or some other type of apparatus and firing it?

Any chance CR, JJ, or wC were hit by / killed by a rock?

Could the rock shooter at Vine been hiding behind some bushes shown in FHG's screencaps?

 

[Hatfield]

Assuming for a minute that the window shatterings involve someone shooting them out, then what is really mind boggling to me is the accuracy of the perp.

Most people do not realize the skill it takes to hit a moving target and especially if they are some distance away. Since the victims are not seeing whatever is happening to them, it tells me the perp must be using a Scope and must be some distance away. Unless they are in a Van or Box Truck like previously suggested and maybe the victim didnt consider that.

A couple of the victims said there was no car around them but I wonder if they considered a parked van or parked box truck that may have been nearby. The perp is a really good shot to be able to shoot out so many windows and do so from some distance.

I do think a Scope is on the weapon and short of the perp being in a Van or Box Truck I just cannot see how else he could be getting away with it without someone spotting a suspect vehicle close by. I dont think he would be on foot because carrying his weapon openly would be too obvious.

This is so bizarre and scary. The sheer number of window shatterings is mind boggling.

 

[Hatfield]

I just thought of another type of weapon that could being used in these window shatterings.

There is a gun that not many people are familiar with. They are called "Air-Soft" guns and typically shoot a projectile that is less harmless than a Pellet or BB. However with the new C02 type air soft rifles I have read articles where they can break glass at shorter distances.

I have linked a few examples below. The 2nd link shows that these types of guns use a whole different variety of the type of ammo so this could be what the perp is using in the car shatterings. It could be a young perp who has gottten bored with shooting targets and has progressed to terrorizing vehicles with his fancy expensive air-soft C02 rilfe.


http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/119...rbine-co2-hpa-blowback-gun-rifle-t500001.aspx

http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/airsoft-ammo

 

[margarita25]

Assuming for a minute that the window shatterings involve someone shooting them out, then what is really mind boggling to me is the accuracy of the perp.

Most people do not realize the skill it takes to hit a moving target and especially if they are some distance away. Since the victims are not seeing whatever is happening to them, it tells me the perp must be using a Scope and must be some distance away. Unless they are in a Van or Box Truck like previously suggested and maybe the victim didnt consider that.

A couple of the victims said there was no car around them but I wonder if they considered a parked van or parked box truck that may have been nearby. The perp is a really good shot to be able to shoot out so many windows and do so from some distance.

I do think a Scope is on the weapon and short of the perp being in a Van or Box Truck I just cannot see how else he could be getting away with it without someone spotting a suspect vehicle close by. I dont think he would be on foot because carrying his weapon openly would be too obvious.

This is so bizarre and scary. The sheer number of window shatterings is mind boggling.

I went out driving and surveying an area on of one of the weld County Roads on Monday. There are many many barns, vehicles and trailers (many which appear to be abandoned).

 

[margarita25]

I just thought of another type of weapon that could being used in these window shatterings.

There is a gun that not many people are familiar with. They are called "Air-Soft" guns and typically shoot a projectile that is less harmless than a Pellet or BB. However with the new C02 type air soft rifles I have read articles where they can break glass at shorter distances.

I have linked a few examples below. The 2nd link shows that these types of guns use a whole different variety of the type of ammo so this could be what the perp is using in the car shatterings. It could be a young perp who has gottten bored with shooting targets and has progressed to terrorizing vehicles with his fancy expensive air-soft C02 rilfe.


http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/119...rbine-co2-hpa-blowback-gun-rifle-t500001.aspx

http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/airsoft-ammo

Yes, yes, yes. I looked at these much earlier upstream; I am envisioning something like this. How far could a projectile (rock) travel via one of these things? Tia.

 

[Forager]

Apart from Cori Romero's neck wound, I think this is the clearest photo we've seen of a projectile impact site. Does it help us eliminate any possible projectiles for this particular incident? Or speak to the angle at which the window was hit?

Westminster window shattering of 6/16/15 photos:

Chuck Hickey, Fox 31 6/17/15: http://kdvr.com/2015/06/17/three-vehicle-windows-shattered-in-aurora/


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Source: Wayne Harrison, TheDenverChannel, Marshall Zelinger, ABC 7 News Denver:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RQNIj86m2_PrQP6iBprh9P8ZGoKmlVc5MAwciKde8Gk=w991-h701-no

 

[FindHG]

Thank you for all these images---re: the proximity of 6/15's shattering to CR and JJ:

The fact that this shattering has been determined to be a rock is interesting, and that the driver was "insistent" that no other cars were around, that LE is investigating whether someone threw the rock or fired it from a slingshot...

what is the maximum range / distance that someone can fire a rock through a slingshot? Also, what about putting a rock inside a gun or some other type of apparatus and firing it?

Any chance CR, JJ, or wC were hit by / killed by a rock?

Could the rock shooter at Vine been hiding behind some bushes shown in FHG's screencaps?

The physics of it, and I say that with complete irony because physics is foreign to me, but I know how a hand drawn slingshot works, and this can't be that, even from the nearest bushes. At the speed of the car, to get the force it would have to be almost head on, even if mechanically drawn, then you see the pattern of the shatter up close, and it looks like the shot, I would guess a big ball bearing or well rounded stone could have been shot, as well as the other projectiles discussed up thread, from a low front-on position from the weeds. You see the roundish upper right corner of the shatter pattern toward the back of the window. You can see the road rises above the shoulder on the side of the passenger window, then dips down as it nears the exist, which can be seen in various MSM footage.

Yes, yes, yes. I looked at these much earlier upstream; I am envisioning something like this. How far could a projectile (rock) travel via one of these things? Tia.

It looks like, to me, that's the part, the upper back of the window, that the projectile may have penetrated, while the impact was coming from in front of the car, and the projectile broke the window coming in from low to high. It almost seems like the projectile kind of skidded across where it's shattered on impact and caught the slight angle of the window at the top back. From the glint of the sun you see on the car windshields in the last image, the sun may have been in the drivers eyes thus harder to see somebody positioned low, in the weeds, who may have taken off on foot in any number of directions unseen to a car that may have become too risky to drive due to the description released by LE, it may be possible, or he could have walked to a bus stop. I think he would have gone in whatever direction would least set him in the path of the driver or the soon arrive LE, I guess. And kudos to the non-pulsed tractor driver who kept working while all hell was breaking loose around him.

From here: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ruck-window-mysteriously-shattered-along-i-25

 

[Forager]

Yes, yes, yes. I looked at these [Airsoft guns to which Hatfield had referred earlier] much earlier upstream; I am envisioning something like this. How far could a projectile (rock) travel via one of these things? Tia.

The 'effective' range is normally about 40 ft., but can go up to about 100 ft. using the right equipment. http://mackila.com/airsoft/atp/04-a-01.htm

They can shoot further than that, but it quickly gets harder and harder to hit what you want or hit hard.

Ceramic BB's ("Nites") - the Ninja BB's we'd been talking about earlier - are available for Airsoft guns.

 

[Hatfield]

Yes, yes, yes. I looked at these much earlier upstream; I am envisioning something like this. How far could a projectile (rock) travel via one of these things? Tia.

I have been googling about these air-soft rifles and ammunition and the one thing I keep running into is how "kids" or "young adults" want to jury rig them to be more powerful. I am pretty sure they also rig their ammo to shoot basically whatever they want.

I dont want to link any of the sites for obvious reasons that they are not MSM but get this. There is even a "Airsoft Sniper Forum" where the whole discussion is on rigging their equipment.

I could envision someone deciding that if they used a small rock as a projectile then if LE found the rock then it could not be distinguished from any other rock so maybe that is what is being done.

 

[Forager]

Assuming for a minute that the window shatterings involve someone shooting them out, then what is really mind boggling to me is the accuracy of the perp.

Most people do not realize the skill it takes to hit a moving target and especially if they are some distance away. Since the victims are not seeing whatever is happening to them, it tells me the perp must be using a Scope and must be some distance away. Unless they are in a Van or Box Truck like previously suggested and maybe the victim didnt consider that.

A couple of the victims said there was no car around them but I wonder if they considered a parked van or parked box truck that may have been nearby. The perp is a really good shot to be able to shoot out so many windows and do so from some distance.

I do think a Scope is on the weapon and short of the perp being in a Van or Box Truck I just cannot see how else he could be getting away with it without someone spotting a suspect vehicle close by. I dont think he would be on foot because carrying his weapon openly would be too obvious.

This is so bizarre and scary. The sheer number of window shatterings is mind boggling.

I take your point, and agree that he'd have to be a good shot to hit a fast moving window with first shot. Or be a middlin' shot to hit one once after taking a bunch of shots.