CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[Allabouttrial]

That was not her salary from what I understand, though. Far from it. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

Same here. If I remember correctly, it's the amount of product sold not what she received.

 

[PommyMommy]

I will never understand why some people consider someone's actions, everyone else's fault except the person who committed the act. I am having a hard time listening to how everything under the sun is SW's fault. Their finances, their marriage, she made freezer meals so he must have felt mothered, she was doing really good at her job, he couldn't take being in her shadow, she loved him and talked about how great he was so she was living in a fantasy land. It seems the poor woman could do nothing right. And the man that confessed to killing her seems can do no wrong in some eyes.

You said it so much better than me, lol. And, I'm really trying to understand how any/all of those things you've so nicely summarized isn't considered victim-bashing. This is the first case I've followed where a murder victim is also the accused (per CW in the affidavit), and completely understand why discussion of that is being allowed, but I'm not quite sure where the line is supposed to be drawn here. Shanann and her children were murdered, but it's okay to blame her for all of those things? It just doesn't sit well with me. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Do we know they paid their taxes?

Yes, I uploaded receipt many threads ago; the real estate taxes are current.

 

[Stunned]

Maybe this has discussed and I missed it. Who watched girls when they traveled?

 

[ketel0ne]

Same here. If I remember correctly, it's the amount of product sold not what she received.

https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/20171010_VIP-RankAdvancement_Sheet2.pdf

 

[Sleutherfly]

I think this is not accurate. Her friend posting here said she was marching up the ranks and very successful. She probably made more than the guy who killed her.

I'm not so sure about this, I believe it was stated that SW was in the range of 80k in sales, do we know if that is yearly or monthly? Seems way to high to be monthly. If it's yearly, her commission wouldn't likely be more than 50% (I'm being conservative here), so maybe she was making 40k annually. If I'm wrong and that is a monthly figure, she would have been making a lot of money. If she was, I think it's less likely that money was a factor in motive as she could have had to pay him alimony.

Edited: quoted wrong person. Sorry.

 

[searchinGirl]

Is it here on WS? How long would it take to find it?

It was just a few pages back I think. It’s an easy Public lookup at Weld County. Go to the property search and type in the address, then go to the property report and one of the options is the taxes status.

 

[Shelby1]

I will never understand why some people consider someone's actions, everyone else's fault except the person who committed the act. I am having a hard time listening to how everything under the sun is SW's fault. Their finances, their marriage, she made freezer meals so he must have felt mothered, she was doing really good at her job, he couldn't take being in her shadow, she loved him and talked about how great he was so she was living in a fantasy land. It seems the poor woman could do nothing right. And the man that confessed to killing her seems can do no wrong in some eyes.

I know, right?

Reminds me of the Scott Peterson groupies. Social media back then certainly wasn't what it is now. Can you imagine what those people would've said about Laci's Facebook?

(disclaimer: I loathe FB, but I don't hold it against the people that don't lol)

 

[Allabouttrial]

Maybe this has discussed and I missed it. Who watched girls when they traveled?

Her parents.

 

[Layla123]

There is evidence. Behavior that exhibits consciousness of guilt, such as failing to call for help, concealing the deaths, moving bodies, disposing of them, coldly and calmly lying about the location and what happened, while on close up camera being broadcast to the nation, lying about an affair, smiling while talking about one's missing and dead family, all of that is strong circumstantial evidence and 100% legitimate.

To add to that is the use of basic logic when applied to his version of events. Is his story at all in the realm of reasonableness?

I have posted every glaring hole that makes his story beyond belief. That incredibility is also circumstantial evidence that canallow a jury to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

We don't need a videotape to prove first degree murder.

His story is beyond belief to me, too!

 

[Allabouttrial]

https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/20171010_VIP-RankAdvancement_Sheet2.pdf

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

That was not her salary from what I understand, though. Far from it. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

I realize that 200K was not her salary. It was probably her sales totals.

 

[Harriet Vane]

I believe you. What I am failing to understand is how La-Vel deserves blame for these murders as DAdvocate insinuated earlier. And now we have another poster who believes Shanann's career choice is the reason for their deep financial problems, thus CW's low self-esteem. Or something along those lines. (Maybe it was the freezer meals and I'm confused.) I'm just trying to wrap my head around all of that.

As much as I dislike MLM schemes, I can’t understand why anyone thinks they are the cause of the financial issues in this case. They bought that massive house and then declared bankruptcy BEFORE Shanann signed up with Le-Vel. I don’t believe that she was the only one who was bad with money and spending too much in that relationship either. Even if she was the driving force, his buying that big house and getting into large amounts of debt with her shows a willingness to be reckless with money and splash the cash to keep his love interest happy. If that’s the case, he could well have been trying to do the same for his AP, IMO.

 

[Hazelnutty]

I can’t move past that it wasn’t her place to get involved.

Whose place was it to get involved? Shannan isn't answering her phone. What should have happened? At what point do you think that family, friends, co-workers should get involved? What does it take for you to pick up on concern?

IMO some of us live lives where we can be out of contact 24-48 hours and no one worries enough to call police. Some of us are in constant contact with others and red flags start waving 4-6 hours in.

 

[Layla123]

BBM

People literally do this day in and day out with processed/pre-packaged frozen meals from the store, so what's the difference?

What does BBM mean? And each to his own.

 

[pocketaccent]

There is evidence. Behavior that exhibits consciousness of guilt, such as failing to call for help, concealing the deaths, moving bodies, disposing of them, coldly and calmly lying about the location and what happened, while on close up camera being broadcast to the nation, lying about an affair, smiling while talking about one's missing and dead family, all of that is strong circumstantial evidence and 100% legitimate.

To add to that is the use of basic logic when applied to his version of events. Is his story at all in the realm of reasonableness?

I have posted every glaring hole that makes his story beyond belief. That incredibility is also circumstantial evidence that canallow a jury to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

We don't need a videotape to prove first degree murder.

To put it less eloquently, a little boy steals cookies from the cookie jar. Leaves cookie crumb trail to his room. His mother has circumstantial evidence to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[stg]

https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/20171010_VIP-RankAdvancement_Sheet2.pdf

Do you know what “Monthly PPA requirement” means? I have heard they may have been required to buy so much product each month out of their own pockets. Is that what that is?

 

[DAdvocate]

I think what happen is very sad. But I believe there is blame among both parents. IMO

 

[Nessa131]

I have trained dogs for many years, and based on the handlers commands, the dogs can do a silent "tell", and then have another signal to "bark".

I bet the police wanted the dogs to make a ruckus, just to unnerve CW even more. And when they are allowed to "bark", they are so darn excited, wiggling their tails, they can hardly contain their excitement, because they know they have done a good job.

I won't go into detail on training a dog for search and rescue, but they are trained for scenting dead bodies, and live ones, and to react differently based on the scent.

So basically the cops knew the day he did all the interviews that they were alive or dead at the home. Can the LE not make an arrest off of the dogs alert alone? Thet have to have more concrete evidence than that? I just wonder why it took 2 days. I guess technically LE had to make sure it was him that did it before they arrested him?

And i am a long time lurker but first time poster. So i hope i don’t sound too wet behind the ears!

 

[Factoria]

I can’t move past that it wasn’t her place to get involved.

I'm certain someone has already addressed this, since I'm a dozen or more pages behind, but...

By your logic, it would lead me to believe that NA must have had some expectation of nefarious intention from CW, if she otherwise had no business contacting LE in this situation, as is your apparent opinion. As in, perhaps Shanann had specific reason to worry about her safety and voiced such to her good friend. That takes me from a possible 'crime of passion' to undeniable premeditation. Not a good angle for a defence strategy, IMO.