CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[PommyMommy]

Yes! THIS !!!

I'm not saying Shanann was perfect, that's ridiculous. BUT, some posters don't give her enough credit. (IMO)

Shanann had Fibromyalgia AND Lupus, AND two daughters to raise, AND pregnant, AND had a job, AND a husband to deal with, AND housework ... plus all the incidental things you have to deal with in life.

Look what she accomplished!!! I have fibromyalgia & Lymes - it's no picnic. Days I can barely make it up the stairs. BUT look at what she accomplished!! Sorry, but I'm amazed by this woman. She should have more credit than what some of us give her.

I've needed to get away from this thread. It's so frustrating & devastating... besides I've nothing to add to these comments. Just my admiration of Shanann. I know the good sluethers & professional will keep us up to date. You guys are so appreciated.

Just want to remind everyone of the ignore option. I've never had to use it until this case. It's so wonderful

#ShineLikeShannon

 

[flourish]

JMO but that's a sad outlook on the world. She cared about her friend and acted on her instincts. But how much easier CW's life would have been had she stayed in her place.

I'm one who values privacy. I hate having people in my house. I hate unexpected visitors and often don't feel compelled to answer my door just because the doorbell rang.

I would absolutely appreciate it if my friend acted so quickly under such circumstances.
I don't understand why it would be a problem, ESPECIALLY in this situation, where they WERE in danger. The friend did her and the girls a service. I'm so glad she did.

 

[Layla123]

I think this is not accurate. Her friend posting here said she was marching up the ranks and very successful. She probably made more than the guy who killed her.

Well, I can’t prove otherwise, maybe, you’re right. I don’t know.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I only ask because I watched most of them and not once did I see them walking on eggshells or being deprived of affection by him.

SW had a product to sell, CW knew when she was recording.
SW seemed an incredibly positive, upbeat individual that would have made the best of any situation.
This type of emotional abuse can be very subtle and interspersed with lots of love from the abuser making it very confusing for victims, esp children.

I have a very, very hard time believing a man capable of strangling his family, dumping their bodies in oil, and then appearing giddy on TV the next day never showed any previous signs of abuse.

All moo

 

[cattlekate]

Many of these tightly-spaced subdivisions have regulations against parking on the street at night. He may have regularly parked a vehicle in front of a vacant lot to avoid that rule.

Do we if CW had his own vehicle in addition to his work truck?

In my Denver metro HOA, they did not allow any vehicle with signage to be parked on the street, or on a driveway, for more than 48 hours. You had to park them in the garage. And close the doors.

 

[MCDRAW]

I believe you. What I am failing to understand is how La-Vel deserves blame for these murders as DAdvocate insinuated earlier. And now we have another poster who believes Shanann's career choice is the reason for their deep financial problems, thus CW's low self-esteem. Or something along those lines. (Maybe it was the freezer meals and I'm confused.) I'm just trying to wrap my head around all of that.

I will never understand why some people consider someone's actions, everyone else's fault except the person who committed the act. I am having a hard time listening to how everything under the sun is SW's fault. Their finances, their marriage, she made freezer meals so he must have felt mothered, she was doing really good at her job, he couldn't take being in her shadow, she loved him and talked about how great he was so she was living in a fantasy land. It seems the poor woman could do nothing right. And the man that confessed to killing her seems can do no wrong in some eyes.

 

[gitana1]

“Family Annihilators”: Understanding What Drives Fathers to Kill | TIME.com
The picture that emerged shows that men who kill their families were most likely to commit their crimes on Sundays and in August, times when children are typically out of school. The most common method was stabbing; the second was carbon monoxide poisoning. More than half of the men were in their 30s and more than 80% committed or tried to commit suicide after killing their children. While previous research found that “annihilators” are often characterized by failure, most of the men in the current sample were employed — and had jobs ranging from surgeon to librarian to taxi driver.

Yardley and her team deduced a primary motive for each father’s actions; among the immediate answers to why they did what they did, family breakup was the most common, ahead of financial difficulties and “honor killings,” in which “the father was reported to have felt shamed by the actions of his family.” The most unifying feature among the 59 killers was a perceived threat to their masculinity and a desire to exert power or control. “The family is in a very precarious position,” Yardley says. “Should ‘the family’ as he knows it change due to internal or external factors, this has serious implications for his sense of self.”

This was where I was going initially. But news of the affair coupled with his cool demeanor after annihilating his family and the sadistic blaming of SW? That takes it out of the typical realm of loss of control and threats to his manhood, etc.

It takes it, for me at least, to a realm of a sociopathic person who decided he could not be bothered with the shackles of spousal and child support, while carrying on-going debt and getting only half the value of any assets. It was time to move on freely, out of the drudgery and into the sunset with his new hottie.

I now feel he likely planned this in cold blood. That's a switch from my initial feelings.

 

[chi123]

Well, I can’t prove otherwise, maybe, you’re right. I don’t know.

Yeah, no way to prove it but I would be stunned if she made 60k a year from the MLM. She was apparently at the 2nd level, and just going down the Thrive rabbit hole it looks pretty much like every other MLM and is very hard to turn a profit. Maybe she was one of the few that did.

Her friend here is also a Thrive member.

 

[ketel0ne]

I will never understand why some people consider someone's actions, everyone else's fault except the person who committed the act. I am having a hard time listening to how everything under the sun is SW's fault. Their finances, their marriage, she made freezer meals so he must have felt mothered, she was doing really good at her job, he couldn't take being in her shadow, she loved him and talked about how great he was so she was living in a fantasy land. It seems the poor woman could do nothing right. And the man that confessed to killing her seems can do no wrong in some eyes.

Agreed!

 

[SuperTmo]

I can see all this as Shanann living in her everything is beautiful Thrive world when in actuality everything was a mess. Would you go to the freezer every night for five weeks and pull out a frozen ziplock bag of God knows what and eat it? I wouldn’t. I’d want some fresh vegetables! And I hope I’m not coming across like I’m bashing Shanann because I’m not. I love her, I think she was trying as hard as she could to do everything she could for her family, she just hadn’t figured out the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

Man, I would love this! If I had my junk together I’d have frozen meals ready. I did this when I had surgery on my arm so that it was easier to prepare food while wearing a cast. Most people who do this still buy fresh fruits and veggies...

I’m certain that whatever she made is better than the jail food.

 

[mickey2942]

I have never understood the logic of a person having an affair and then killing their spouse.

Like the AP isn't going to find out that they were married/are a suspect/are a murderer.
They can't really believe they are are going to be able to stay in the affair while their murdered spouse is missing.
How do they see this as a bridge to a new life, it baffles me.

I know we see this time and time again but it still seems like such a weird motive.

I think that it is an impulsive fantasy, and the perpetrator continues the fantasy about how awesome his life would be without all of the problems, focusing on the family as the source of the problems. Family gone, no more problems. They don't cognitively acknowledge the next steps, they are in the fantasy mode.

It is crazy for CW to think that no one would notice his wife and children just disappearing. He probably thought if no one found the bodies, he would be free. What an idiot to use a company truck! GPS, every second. Our company car even has a log of how fast you drive, where you stop, for how long...he is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed!

He should have piled them in her car, drove it in a lake, hiked back home. After all, Scott Peterson was free until Laci's body was discovered, which was amazing.

 

[Ronso]

I can see all this as Shanann living in her everything is beautiful Thrive world when in actuality everything was a mess. Would you go to the freezer every night for five weeks and pull out a frozen ziplock bag of God knows what and eat it? I wouldn’t. I’d want some fresh vegetables! And I hope I’m not coming across like I’m bashing Shanann because I’m not. I love her, I think she was trying as hard as she could to do everything she could for her family, she just hadn’t figured out the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

BBM

People literally do this day in and day out with processed/pre-packaged frozen meals from the store, so what's the difference?

 

[MrsWatson]

Sorry, but I think the hairdresser in SW's mum's salon? Everyone gets their 15 minutes, right?

Remember, they were all gushing over CW cutting his hair, too.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

This was where I was going initially. But news of the affair coupled with his cool demeanor after annihilating his family and the sadistic blaming of SW? That takes it out of the typical realm of loss of control and threats to his manhood, etc.

It takes it, for me at least, to a realm of a sociopathic person who decided he could not be bothered with the shackles of spousal and child support, while carrying on-going debt and getting only half the value of any assets. It was time to move on freely, out of the drudgery and into the sunset with his new hottie.

I now feel he likely planned this in cold blood. That's a switch from my initial feelings.

I could not agree more. This is a Scott Peterson, Josh Powell type individual.

Drain people dry emotionally and financially until they no longer serve your purpose. Dispose and repeat.

Moo

 

[gitana1]

And unless there are fingerprints on the necks of the deceased, or their Echo or baby monitor recorded everything, there isn’t going to be any evidence. So we are left to use our best judgment to determine what happened. With all the facts I have, I can’t logically believe Shanann strangled her girls.

There is evidence. Behavior that exhibits consciousness of guilt, such as failing to call for help, concealing the deaths, moving bodies, disposing of them, coldly and calmly lying about the location and what happened, while on close up camera being broadcast to the nation, lying about an affair, smiling while talking about one's missing and dead family, all of that is strong circumstantial evidence and 100% legitimate.

To add to that is the use of basic logic when applied to his version of events. Is his story at all in the realm of reasonableness?

I have posted every glaring hole that makes his story beyond belief. That incredibility is also circumstantial evidence that canallow a jury to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

We don't need a videotape to prove first degree murder.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I just read the new People Magazine and was surprised to learn Chris & Shannan actually met through FB, Chris sent her a FB friend request, she accepted thinking they would never meet. This was 8 years ago.

SW had a product to sell, CW knew when she was recording.
SW seemed an incredibly positive, upbeat individual that would have made the best of any situation.
This type of emotional abuse can be very subtle and interspersed with lots of love from the abuser making it very confusing for victims, esp children.

I have a very, very hard time believing a man capable of strangling his family, dumping their bodies in oil, and then appearing giddy on TV the next day never showed any previous signs of abuse.

All moo

I'm not an expert and have never been in that situation, thankfully. To me he acted very natural with the children, not forced for the cameras.

 

[stg]

I think that SW did make lucrative money through Thrive.
In 2018 she was awarded the 200k mark.
There is a video of SW receiving the award but it is on her father's facebook page so not TOS.

That was not her salary from what I understand, though. Far from it. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

SW had a Linkedin account. It hadn't been updated because it showed 80K Brand Promoter. I don't have Linkedin but maybe someone who does can access the details.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanann-watts-b09b20a6/

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Services for Shanann, Bella, Celeste and Nico will be held on Saturday September 1st at 1:00 pm at Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church in Pinehurst NC.

According to SW's brother's SM post, he is back home in NC.

 

[searchinGirl]

I believe you. What I am failing to understand is how La-Vel deserves blame for these murders as DAdvocate insinuated earlier. And now we have another poster who believes Shanann's career choice is the reason for their deep financial problems, thus CW's low self-esteem. Or something along those lines. (Maybe it was the freezer meals and I'm confused.) I'm just trying to wrap my head around all of that.

I’m not saying La-Vel deserves blame. At least not yet. I don’t know what their status is with the FDA. I don’t know what’s in Thrive? It seems to me though it is delivering a substance into the body. And it stimulates. Maybe Nicotine? If there is anything in it that’s addictive that would compell you to have to take it everyday. Then, that would compound things even more.

It happened years ago. I lost a friend to ephedra. He just up and had a pulmonary embolism one day. He said it gave him the energy to work out, lose weight, improve his life. But ephedra wasn’t being sold as a lifestyle, just as a root at the health food stores to make tea. No MLM.