CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #11

[mickey2942]

On the pregnancy, who knows? It could have been unplanned or possibly planned to "improve" the relationship.

Something about pregnancy seems to unhinge some men. Whether it is the increased responsibility, cost, jealousy that spouse will spend time with baby, I have no clue. But we have seen time and time again, that homocide is the number one killer of pregnant women.

Maybe it is rage against something uncontrollable, that the man could not control.

Remember that guy in Boston who shot his pregnant wife? What is with these guys?

 

[rashomon]

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Interesting that CW now tells detective Baumhover that the 'conversation' with his wife occurred about an hour earlier (around 4 PM).

Sorry about my above typo: "around 4 AM" is the correct quote.

 

[Inthedetails]

Does anyone know how long of a drive it is between the house and the oil tanks? tia

 

[BeanieBod]

Just because he isn’t a normal person doesn’t mean he killed his whole family.

A lot of theories regarding his mental state have been thrown around; why do you think he is not "normal"?

 

[Inthedetails]

Sorry about my above typo: "around 4 AM" is the correct quote.

Probably about the time he was burying her? ?

 

[BeanieBod]

If that person was so out of control, that may have been the only option. IMO

No. No. No.

 

[FlossyMay]

Probably about the time he was burying her? ?

He didn't leave his house until after 5 am. I seem to recall 5:27 am, but I could be mistaken.

 

[SheepMan]

I had a thought - SW posted about being happy to see Chris and the girls as she was waiting for the delayed flight. Therefore I am not sure she was 100% certain about him having an affair and planning a conversation with him about it as soon as she got home. What if she came home and went to get into bed and found something incriminating in the bed (underwear, earring or such) that wasn’t hers. That might explain the bed sheets on the floor as she ripped them off to see if anything else was in the bed. Then they argue and he commits the dreadful act of killing her. I can’t tie that to him then going and killing the girls though.....hmmm. Purely a thought and IMO

 

[BeanieBod]

delete

 

[MerryB]

He didn't leave his house until after 5 am. I seem to recall 5:27 am, but I could be mistaken.

That’s right. Plus a 40 min drive to the site.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, like the numerous murder charges are not true? A river in Egypt comes to mind.

Aw, this brings back memories for me of a beautiful friend of mine who liked to say, "He is drowning in the river of De Nile." Always loved that.

I never did her FB but I know on her early Instagram she talks about wanting 4-5 kids.
I think another baby was her idea and he went along with it and never expected it to actually happen so quick.

Forgive me, I can't recall the date of her posts where she says that CW wants another baby. I do remember A Thayer saying it was a planned 3rd baby but IDK whether AT got that from CW before the pregnancy OR got that from SW alone.

IMO, thinking of female friends & such scenarios, there can be a real difference what one says/ what actually was discussed pre - pregnancy.

BBM
In the video (sitting on the park bench) of NT and AT, AT tells about going to the nail salon with SW and learning about the pregnancy. She said they talked about being pregnant together and how their kids would grow up together.

 

[MerryB]

I had a thought - SW posted about being happy to see Chris and the girls as she was waiting for the delayed flight. Therefore I am not sure she was 100% certain about him having an affair and planning a conversation with him about it as soon as she got home. What if she came home and went to get into bed and found something incriminating in the bed (underwear, earring or such) that wasn’t hers. That might explain the bed sheets on the floor as she ripped them off to see if anything else was in the bed. Then they argue and he commits the dreadful act of killing her. I can’t tie that to him then going and killing the girls though.....hmmm. Purely a thought and IMO

Definitely plausible. I tend to think because the fitted sheet was found at the site, she was killed on top of the sheet, it was peeled off & she was wrapped in it/moved in it. But it could’ve happened another way.

 

[Inthedetails]

That’s right. Plus a 40 min drive to the site.

Thanks - I was wondering how long the drive to the tank site was.

 

[PommyMommy]

I had a thought - SW posted about being happy to see Chris and the girls as she was waiting for the delayed flight. Therefore I am not sure she was 100% certain about him having an affair and planning a conversation with him about it as soon as she got home. What if she came home and went to get into bed and found something incriminating in the bed (underwear, earring or such) that wasn’t hers. That might explain the bed sheets on the floor as she ripped them off to see if anything else was in the bed. Then they argue and he commits the dreadful act of killing her. I can’t tie that to him then going and killing the girls though.....hmmm. Purely a thought and IMO

BBM

What if they witnessed CW killing their mother?

 

[Coolmomof4]

I'm still trying to understand that. I thought that Shanann posted on either Facebook or Instagram that CW encouraged her to try for another pregnancy?

I still think it was premeditated. He was playing the perfect husband by pretending to want to expand the family. Perfect husband, perfect daddy. Perfect mask. (Imo)

She was only 15 weeks pregnant. Could CW have turned so quickly into actually murdering the whole family in that short amount of time?

Well, I guess, like many if you say, we may never really know what 'dark' thoughts could be hidden inside that mind. Only that which he chooses to share them (honestly, at least - but then there is the conundrum - we wouldn't know if he's being truthful)

When I was married to my 1st husband and we had a 4 month old, my husband really pushed hard to try for a second child. We were having very serious issues at that point and said hell no and left him a month later. I found out very soon after that he was cheating A LOT, and had even illegally married another woman while we we were together. He was a narcissist to the max, very controlling and abusive in every way imaginable. I truly believe his push for another child was a ploy to distract me. Like being pregnant and raising a 4 month old would keep me too busy to notice what was going on. I don't think CW "turned quickly" from wanting another baby to murder. I think it was all a set up, part of his plan to keep her occupied while he ran around.

 

[mtnlites]

Am I the only person who would totally go on a trip without my husband for weeks? I've done it for photography reasons.... week, week and a half... I'd go for even longer. I mean, don't get me wrong, I miss him and all. But, he doesn't like going on my trips for wildlife photography. It isn't his "thing".

The kids and I frequently leave my husband for weeks at a time. We have a summer house on an island and spend 6-8 weeks down there every summer. Sometimes he teaches college classes in the summer. If they're online, he goes with us. If not, he stays behind. 15 years of marriage and it works for us. I see nothing wrong with it, all marriages are different.

 

[MerryB]

On the pregnancy, who knows? It could have been unplanned or possibly planned to "improve" the relationship.

Something about pregnancy seems to unhinge some men. Whether it is the increased responsibility, cost, jealousy that spouse will spend time with baby, I have no clue. But we have seen time and time again, that homocide is the number one killer of pregnant women.

Maybe it is rage against something uncontrollable, that the man could not control.

Remember that guy in Boston who shot his pregnant wife? What is with these guys?

I don’t care what SW said or posted on SM, CW definitely did not want that baby, or the 2 that he already had.

 

[NothingClever]

A lot of theories regarding his mental state have been thrown around; why do you think he is not "normal"?

Because it’s just another random thing to throw around in the threads. You probably won’t get any answer backed up with any kind of fact or evidence. Certain posters have just been posting downright silliness. Seems to be a complete lack of common sense or logical thinking.

 

[kebdal23]

If ur OH told you when you last spoke about your 3 hour flight delay ( he's away on aThrive "retreat" as she describes it on her video and as NUA's group photo shows - they're all eating a restaurant waiting for news on their flight) wtte:

" ....the kids will be asleep, it's been an exhausting day. Please be quiet when you come in at 2am whatever and don't wake the kids, it's been hard to get them down tonight and I have to go to work early tomorrow........" for instance

why wouldn't you comply with that?

I'd feel a little guilty if I woke the kids and then him. So, I would just pop my head around their door & reassure myself they were all tucked up in bed asleep.
i could always go check the baby monitor(s) next, in the master bedroom and notice that they're well covered, with their faces turned away. Unless kids were sick recently, I'd probably be satisfied with either or both of those scenarios- cuz I wouldn't expect anything untoward/ they were dead.

I feel, because of the friend's quick actions the next day, that SW was on HIGH ALERT that something was wrong at home. Even if SW only felt that something was wrong with her relationship with her husband, my gut tells me that she was going to check on those girls no matter what he might have told her. In fact, whenever my kids/teenagers tell me not to do something, I suspect something is up and make sure not to listen to them!

 

[MerryB]

There are people that have to be away from their spouses for long periods of time for different reasons, and they don't cheat. I have never heard anyone say, oh her husband is overseas for 6 weeks, he left his nice looking wife home alone, that's just asking for trouble. People that cheat, cheat for their own reasons, not because of what their spouse does or doesn't do. JMO

Agree. I wonder why SW would go away for 6 weeks if she suspected cheating. It leads me to believe she didn’t suspect it until later. I tend to subscribe to the theory that someone told her something. We know he was pretty brazen with AP. Someone could’ve texted her from Anadarko, or someone might have seen them on one of their dates & asked SW about it...