CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #15

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Totally agree. Something was shared by SW; feelings, incidents, whatever...that put NU on alert.
I feel like something other than a family visit took SW and kids to her parents for six weeks. I'm going with she knew more than what we think before she left
Thank you, TexasTS. I am aware of the funeral mass in Pinehurst; however I was inquiring if anyone knew whether it would be allowed to be streamed at the Weld County jail where Chris Watts is being held.
Ahhh, ok. I haven't been able to find anything on whether it'll be shown in jail. I spoke to an acquintance of mine who works in a jail and he said they do not allow it because they don't want to "incite" the family member being held or give them any more information about the investigation that may be discussed. However, I'd be interested to see how he would react to watching them bury his family with all her family members and friends in attendance.
 
I asked the question before with no answer from anyone.

I am wondering what his missing scene was going to be. Everything at the house including the car? When would friends be called asking where she is? When would LE be called?

Or would he drive the car, leave it and run back home? Or?
 
The why is what people always try to figure out with family annihilators. It's the intriguing and frightening part.

But one thing that's certain to me is it is never about the family. Even those who have disabled children or whatever and "lose it". It's not about the spouse or the kids.

I've seen repeated attempts on here to slyly cast blame on Shanann for the atrocities committed by her husband. She must've been insane. Borderline. A nagging perfectionist. Controlling. A phony monster pushing her husband into insanity by making him part of the perfect charade she had created.

I find all of that disgusting, frankly. Victim shaming and blaming.

I'm not saying Shanann was perfect but certain people are looking for excuses for the murders in HER behavior when past family annihilators show it's always about them, not the actions of their families.

This is about thefamily annihilator and nothing more. Typically there tend to be two main motivators: The first is shame - they feel they are losing control of their family and/or have deep financial problems and/or secrets and lies they fear will come out. Mark Hacking who killed his wife and unborn child is a great example of this type.

He had pretended to have a degree and to have gotten into a wonderful college. He faked it all. His wife was preparing to move, packing and trying to obtain student housing when she discovered that the university had no record of him being enrolled. She was murdered soon after that shameful discovery.

The second is a desire to be free from the constraints of family life. Many of these annihilators also have secret affairs. Or just want to be free from their families. Chris Vaughan is a great example of this type.

Another creep who slaughtered his innocent family and tried to blame it on his wife, he had researched living in the Canadian Wilderness and had travelled there numerous times to find a place to live. He was having multiple affairs. He just wanted out.
https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/youre-judge-shot-family-day-10045

Some annihilators are a combination- like Neil Entwhistle.

But none of this can ever be explained by the behaviors or personalities of the victims. It is always about the failures of character and soul of the perps. They are typically either isolated, deeply insecure loners who can't cope well with life and with stressors like financial issues or spouses who become independent and perhaps leave them and/or they're sociopathic narcissists for whom life is all about themselves and their needs, rather than their precious family's needs.

That's the "why". We are dealing with extremely twisted individuals who destroy innocent, unsuspecting and thus, very vulnerable family members.

We need to examine these monsters more closely rather than trying to justify or excuse their evil deeds by examining the behaviors of their victims.

YAAAAAAS. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
I know many think CW killed the children sometime after the party Sunday and before SW got home Monday at 1:48am. I’ve been wondering though if he would have waited until SW got home. What if the friend were to want to help SW carry in stuff, or need to use the bathroom, or help her to the door if SW wasn’t well, or anything like that. Would he have considered that. I guess I’m wondering if the kids were asleep, not dead yet, at 1:48am. If they all went to bed shortly after 1:48am. And once asleep, he killed Shanann first, then killed the girls. I’m torn between this and the other option — girls were already dead by 1:48am, and he either killed SW very quickly after she walked in the door, or after she saw the kids dead - IF she even saw that or knew.
I mentioned and agree with your first theory... he couldn't be sure the friend wouldn't at least come inside. Of course the kids might not be bothered at all anyway... but he had to consider it one would think. But then again, I don't know how much thinking he actually did.
 
I feel like something other than a family visit took SW and kids to her parents for six weeks. I'm going with she knew more than what we think before she left

Ahhh, ok. I haven't been able to find anything on whether it'll be shown in jail. I spoke to an acquintance of mine who works in a jail and he said they do not allow it because they don't want to "incite" the family member being held or give them any more information about the investigation that may be discussed. However, I'd be interested to see how he would react to watching them bury his family with all her family members and friends in attendance.

Maybe if she thought their marriage was in big trouble, the family being gone that long would make him realize what he was missing
 
I feel like something other than a family visit took SW and kids to her parents for six weeks. I'm going with she knew more than what we think before she left

Ahhh, ok. I haven't been able to find anything on whether it'll be shown in jail. I spoke to an acquintance of mine who works in a jail and he said they do not allow it because they don't want to "incite" the family member being held or give them any more information about the investigation that may be discussed. However, I'd be interested to see how he would react to watching them bury his family with all her family members and friends in attendance.

Didn’t CA watch the news of sweet Caylee being found while she was in jail?
 
Sorry if repost, way behind:

Summer Before Murders, Watts Couple Had 'Full-Blown Fight' — Then Hugged When They Were Seen

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Chris Watts' Alleged Ex-Lover Speaks — but He's Not the Co-Worker Police Say Chris Was Seeing

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What's next for the Colorado murder case against Christopher Watts?

“Watts, 33, is not scheduled to appear in court again until Nov. 19 for a status conference, but it's not known what, if any, new information may be discussed at that time. The investigation into Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts' deaths is ongoing, so official information from investigators will continue to be scarce.“

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https://nypost.com/2018/08/28/slain-pregnant-mom-was-overjoyed-to-have-kids-despite-lupus-diagnosis/

“When she gave birth to Bella in 2013, “She spent every minute thanking God and taking care of her precious gift…” her family said in an obituary published Saturday. “How she loved and cherished her.”

Then, when she had Celeste in 2015, she “Was so excited to be able to have another child because of her battle with Lupus. She was determined to stay healthy.. every moment with her was a blessing.”“
 
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I asked the question before with no answer from anyone.

I am wondering what his missing scene was going to be. Everything at the house including the car?

Or would he dtive the car, leave it and run back home? Or?

I believe maybe he was intending to come home and say they had vanished... maybe someone disposing of the bodies where he worked to frame him. I can think of nothing else plausible. If he tries to take anything anywhere LE is going to on his butt.
He is txting and calling her... he wants LE to know that.
 
I mentioned and agree with your first theory... he couldn't be sure the friend wouldn't at least come inside. Of course the kids might not be bothered at all anyway... but he had to consider it one would think. But then again, I don't know how much thinking he actually did.

Even if tbe friend would come in, she would not stay around at that time in the AM. She would be tired as well.And care would be tsken over by the beloved husband
 
Bear with me, please. (Sorry for the MEGO.) I want to try to explain, from my perspective only, why I think it is relevant and appropriate to discuss some things that some of you are interpreting as victim bashing.

So let's assume for the sake of this argument that SW was genuinely just as kind and sweet and good-hearted as she presents herself on SM, that she doesn't have a mean bone in her body, that she was the perfect wife and mother doing the best she could while suffering from a chronic health condition, and that she didn't have any sort of mental illness or anything like that. She is awesome, and there was no reason in the world for a rational person to dislike her, much less kill her or the children. In short, nothing that happened was her fault. Okay?

Every trial lawyer worth their salt will have a "Theory of the Case" for every case they try. A Theory of the Case is a short, concise statement explaining who did what and why. The shorter the better, the simpler the better. This statement, if true, helps the jurors interpret the individual facts and put them in a larger context.

Think of it like this: each piece of evidence is like a piece to a puzzle. We've got all these pieces, but what kind of picture are we trying to make? Is it a barn? A horse? A lion in the zoo? The Theory of the Case is like the picture on the box: when we put all these puzzle pieces together, you should end up with a picture that's on the box. The prosecution will say, we think these puzzle pieces will fit together to form the image of a cow. The defense will say that the puzzle pieces make a picture of a chicken. The jury has to decide which theory is more consistent with the evidence that they are presented through the witness stand. And once the jurors start to see a particular picture emerge ("Hey, it does sort of look like a cow"), then they will start to interpret facts (puzzle pieces) in a way that is consistent with that image ("Oh, this is not a chicken foot, it's a cow's tail!").

As I said, the Theory of the Case contains three parts: Who did What, and Why? "Who" is the defendant, "What" is the crime, and "Why" is motive. From a legal perspective, all that matters is the Who and the What. Motive is very rarely an element of a crime, and the prosecution is not required to prove why a crime was committed. But we all want to know motive because we want to make sense of why crimes happen. It is especially important in tragic cases such as this one, because most people (myself included) can't wrap their heads around Why a seemingly loving father would kill his perfect wife and beautiful children. So we badly want to try to understand some reason or motivation that explains the Why, and if we don't find that motivation, then we might start looking for other theories that would explain it better. ("It's not a cow, it's a unicorn! NOT GUILTY!")

So, the prosecution is going to need to come up with a Theory of the Case such as "He killed her because he was jealous that she was earning more money than he was." To break that down, "He (Who) killed her (What) because _____ (Why)."

To think about Why, we have to get inside the Defendant's mind and walk around. You and I know that the Wife was sincere and perfect. But Husband killed her. Why?

If the Why is that Husband was jealous because Wife was earning more than him, would that mean we were blaming Wife---("If she hadn't been so successful, he wouldn't have had to kill her. It's HER fault!"). No! That's absurd. Her being successful isn't her fault. His jealousy is his problem.

But when we try to suggest a reason why Husband hated Wife so bad and was so angry, it might sound on its face like we are blaming Wife. "He killed her because.....she wouldn't stop eating crackers in the bed!" A person might say, "Hey, you are blaming the victim here and that is against the TOS!" No, that's not what we are doing, we are providing the motive to complete the Theory of the Case.

I hope that makes sense. Sorry again for the length. I have a hard time getting my point across sometimes.


Hmmmm ... I replied to this post, but it went 'poof'. It's probably somewhere over Canada by now. :eek:

I'll try it again:

You are another of of the posters on Webslueths that I greatly admire. You post so intelligently and make it seem effortless. (hmmmm ..... JEALOUS!) ;)

Would you be my ghost writer for posts here on Webslueths? I don't have money to offer, but do have access to many different emoji & keyboard icons that you can use anytime! :)

Thank you for your explanation. You laid it out perfectly & it makes sense. I guess, in a way, I was making a mountain out of a molehill. Some of these cases are just sooo savage .... hard for me not to get defensive of the victim. Even though the logical side of me recognizes the need for 'WHO', 'WHAT', & 'WHY' , my emotional side gives a in to the conflict. (It usually wins)

Hoping it will post this time. I've got real life laundry to do. So wish it was virtual. ;)
 
Didn’t CA watch the news of sweet Caylee being found while she was in jail?
I believe so. He was talking about this jail. This is a medium-sized rural jail. Television/computer communications can be interrupted in perfectly good weather for hours at a time.:rolleyes: I'm wondering if CW is being held in solitary. He may not have access to a television or other means of watching.
 
I believe maybe he was intending to come home and say they had vanished... maybe someone disposing of the bodies where he worked to frame him. I can think of nothing else plausible. If he tries to take anything anywhere LE is going to on his butt.
He is txting and calling her... he wants LE to know that.

He would have to drive the car away at night with no headlights so probably not that scene.

He would have to get rid of the sheets. Maybe when he drives around looking for them?

Maybe someone picked them up at the house. A secret lover? They went out for a walk?

I am wondering what he thought LE would go for in that neighborhood. What explanation?
 
He would have to drive the car away at night with no headlights so probably not that scene.

He would have to get rid of the sheets. Maybe when he drives around looking for them?

Maybe someone picked them up at the house. A secret lover? They went out for a walk?

I am wondering what he thought LE would go for in that neighborhood. What explaation?
But if he got rid of the car and stuff before anyone knew they were missing no one would think it strange that the car was driven away, would they?
 
I asked the question before with no answer from anyone.

I am wondering what his missing scene was going to be. Everything at the house including the car? When would friends be called asking where she is? When would LE be called?

Or would he drive the car, leave it and run back home? Or?
I thought about that too. My speculation is that he'd want to keep the Lexus, and just stick to 'somebody must have picked her up' (his interview).

His plan could have been (after work):
-Make the beds.
-Empty the trash can.
-Get rid of SW's purse and a couple of suitcases.
-Leave a sweet good bye note from SW- don't try to find me and the kids. I still love you. You are still the best husband and daddy in the world.
 
He would have to drive the car away at night with no headlights so probably not that scene.

He would have to get rid of the sheets. Maybe when he drives around looking for them?

Maybe someone picked them up at the house. A secret lover? They went out for a walk?

I am wondering what he thought LE would go for in that neighborhood. What explanation?

You don't even have to worry about any of that stuff if you say someone must have broke in a took everyone.
I guess they would have had to break in from the back... as mentioned no neighborhood cameras back there.

He can wash the sheets or leave them as part of the 'crime' scene he was intending on leaving.
 
Snipped.

I don't think he snapped. I think it was a smoldering rage, fed by outside sexual interests and financial issues.

The man wanted out, but for whatever reason couldn't publicly face a failed marriage so he set himself up to look like a victim: "Not my fault the marriage ended, she disappeared with the kids."

jmo, subject to chage

Bingo. (IMO)
 
I thought about that too. My speculation is that he'd want to keep the Lexus, and just stick to 'somebody must have picked her up' (his interview).

His plan could have been (after work):
-Make the beds.
-Empty the trash can.
-Get rid of SW's purse and a couple of suitcases.
-Leave a sweet good bye note from SW- don't try to find me and the kids. I still love you. You are still the best husband and daddy in the world.

How would he get rid of the purse and suitcases?

Where would he empty the trash can that LE would not go thru it?

Maybe a ransom note instead.
 
Another dang moment for dgfred:

He is txting and calling... worried for his dear wife.

THAT HE SAW KILLING HIS GIRLS AND CHOKED THE LIFE OUT OF FORGETTING HIS UNBORN CHILD

Story evolved once his original story was verified as bull-hockey
 
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