Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[Mosaic]

I'm sure they will see right through it. Imo

the porch interview and the way he disposed of their bodies. Hard to ignore or comprehend.

 

[PommyMommy]

How about quoting from another thread? Is that possible?

Click on the post # and a box with a URL will come up. Copy and paste the URL into your post.

 

[ReckoningDay]

Click on the post # and a box with a URL will come up. Copy and paste the URL into your post.

Ohhh that is good info...thanks!

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

the porch interview and the way he disposed of their bodies. Hard to ignore or comprehend.

Those interviews should be GOLD for the prosecution.

 

[Layla123]

That was also my question, as well. Iirc he was detained at the station for questioning earlier that day, though not sure exactly what time (I would MOO it was sometime in the early afternoon, since the Thayers stated in their interview that he left their house late morning to pick his father up at the airport) and he wasn’t actually under arrest until 11:30PM Wednesday night. I am an HR professional and it seems odd that there would be an HR rep on hand at that time of night to render a termination. Hence leading me to believe he would have been termed during normal business hours. (MEO). Which also leads me to further question his reason for termination. I plan to try to do further research into their policies and procedures and code of ethics to see if he may have broken a policy by being a suspect, since there was no reports that he admitted to anything until after he spoke to his father that night. I’ve read other speculations on his term reason in other forums which have me interested on another possible motive which could lead to signs of pre-meditation.

Here’s a reason, trespassing on company property without authorization, and dumping humans and trash (the sheet).

 

[Mosaic]

Those interviews should be GOLD for the prosecution.

Agree.

 

[NuttMegg]

Here’s a reason, trespassing on company property without authorization, and dumping humans and trash (the sheet).

And after he was fired, they had to drain 2 mammoth tanks of crude to recover the girls, and I don't know if that was a monetary loss for them. Hard to imagine they would re-use it after that. And who paid for that filthy labor to recover the bodies?

 

[Asevario]

HR could've found something on his company email or security cameras that shows he broke rules or misused property and equipment. The termination of employment letter could've been issued the day before and presented when he was arrested. It's not unheard of. They want to shield the company's reputation and the media camping out on their facilities.

You are absolutely correct in that assessment. Especially assuming they were part of the investigation. I do not disagree with you here. Without having exact termination reasons, we are definitely left to speculate.
And I will add, in my experience, NOTHING is unheard of in HR! Lol

 

[Mosaic]

Here’s a reason, trespassing on company property without authorization, and dumping humans and trash (the sheet).

or using a company vehicle to dispose of evidence/bodies. Also property damages by dumping evidence/humans remains on the tank, thus contamination of raw/finished materials. Those are grounds for employment termination.

 

[Randyrhoads]

Excellent

I am posting the evidence we know of again as some have asked. If anyone has other evidence to add please copy and add.

Evidence of triple murder:

1. Dad claims he saw a blue child on a baby monitor at night.

2. The coincidence of two people, unrelated by blood, both reacting to something in a short span of time by losing their minds and committing homicide, defies reason.

3. The coincidence of those same people both committing homicide in the exact same manner -strangulation- is unlikely.

4. A father passionate enough with love for his children, to kill at the sight of them being harmed, would be desperate beyond reason to save them. But:
a. Dad failed to call 911 to try to save his children. Even if he thought they were beyond help, a parentslove is so intense they will desperately and irrationally try for help that will never come.
b. There is no account of him throwing off the mother and working desperately to revive them or resuscitate them. Hell, total strangers have performed CPR on a child's corpse in rigor. (Cooper Harris case). But a passionately loving dad didn't even try in this case?

5. The dad failed to call 911 after killing his wife in a supposed fury of emotion.

6. Dad also failed to run screaming onto the lawn for help or in anguish.
In cases of such Greek tragedy magnitude either 5 or 6 usually comes into play.

7. This entire scene - the "emotional argument", the vicious strangulation of two children, the father witnessing the incomprehensible and reacting with murderous fury and anguish - all of it was totally silent. Except for the poor dog howling that night. How do we know? Because the houses are in close proximity and neighbors mentioned hearing nothing but the dog the next day IIRC.

8. CW did not scream or wail in anguish so great that it caused him to murder his wife. Not one report of such sounds.

9. CW supposedly lost his mind in grief and anguish. However he regained it in moments in a manner that does not comport with a true mental break. In cases we have seen where people lose it and commit murder, they are typically either wailing on the lawn and to 911 operators or they are in an apparent psychotic state- not lying about what happened, not covering it up, not able to function normally at all. See thumbnail of Julie Schenecker as an example of what this looks like. Police interview Julie Schenecker after kids found dead

10. CW, after such an insanely, horrific Greek tragedy of a scene, calmly loaded up the bodies of his wife and children in order to conceal their deaths and dispose of them. We know this because a neighbor stated she witnessed him leaving. (No reports of wailing and she said, IIRC, the truck drove normally. So no veering, spinning of tires or other signs of lack of composure). And it's apparently on video.

11. CW, a man passionately in love enough with his kids to erupt in murderous rage when they're harmed, did not attempt to give them a burial that comports psychologically with the love and bond parents have with their kids. Death Rituals Reported by White, Black, and Hispanic Parents Following the ICU Death of an Infant or Child
A Global History of Child Death

12. Instead he dumps them in two separate vats of oil. Not together. No way to commemorate their lives. Concealed. Discarded. In a manner that veers from any known traditional burial rite of any kind.

13. CW went to work and monitored the ring video of his house. After the horrific Greek tragedy he just endured. He went to work. And monitored the video of his front door.

14. CW left a few voice messages and sent some texts to the wife he knew was dead, thus calmly concealing what happened.

15. CW calmly called SW's friend after she came to the door and he saw her on the ring video. He asked what was going on. We know this because he stated as much and this is corroborated by the friend.

16. CW rushed home - blowing stop signs and with beating heart, according to him- when CW came to the house and expressed alarm. The first time we have heard of a hint of emotion on his part since the horrific murders of his kids supposedly by his wife and his heat of passion killing of her, occurs when he the authorities are about to get involved.

17. CW cooly lied to the friend about where SW was supposed to be that day and why she wasn't at home. After he lost his mind the night before. He is calm and able to work to conceal those events.

18. There is not one hint of brief reactive psychosis or drug induced psychosis in CW's demeanor and behavior since 5:15 am the morning of the deaths, nor the next day as he gives calm and detailed interviews to the media. His pupils are normal. He is not slurring speech. He does not have a vacant stare. He exhibits no delusions or paranoia. He is not showing emotional lability. (I'm no expert in psychology but have seen a few psychotic people due to psychotic breaks or drugs and it's easy to research).

19. CW shows no anguish, depression, grief, concern, sadness or despair during his stoic media interviews, despite having supposedly been so deranged by his passionate love for his kids that he killed their attacker. His eyes are dry. Not red. No signs of puffiness from weeping. His face is smooth and calm. He looks well rested. No bags under his eyes. He smiles. He grins. He smirks. All with the knowledge that his insane wife savagely murdered his precious babies causing him to lose his mind with anguish. And with the knowledge that the people he loved so fiercely it caused him to kill, are rotting in separate vats of oil.

20. CW calmly and continuously lies to the media about the whereabouts of his dead wife and dead children.

21. CW systematically works with LE to track down his wife and kids. Brainstorming. Supplying numbers and addresses. Calling people. All the while knowing they are dead and decomposing.

22. CW is questioned and lies about having an affair. A motive in many murders of wives.

23. SW was pregnant. (A circumstance present in vast numbers of murders of spouses or parents by men).

24. Some people and report that CW seemed distant with his wife and kids in the weeks leading up to this monstrous event.

25. CW was not hospitalized for any reason after this tragedy.

A couple of things from the CO model jury instructions:

D:01 DIRECT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE—NO DISTINCTION

A fact may be proven by either direct or circumstantial evidence. Under the law, both are acceptable ways to prove something. Neither is necessarily more reliable than the other.


E:03 PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, BURDEN OF PROOF, AND REASONABLE DOUBT

Reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence, or the lack of evidence, in the case. It is a doubt which is not a vague, speculative or imaginary doubt, but such a doubt as would cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in matters of importance to themselves.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Committees/Criminal_Jury_Instructions/2017/COLJI-Crim 2017 - Final.pdf

Excellent synopsis

 

[Layla123]

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IMO, misogyny is a good word. Also, JMO, misogyny perfectly describes CW's story that SW strangled her own daughters. It reeks of her being so desperate when faced by his rejection that she chose to murder her own daughters in order to seek vicious revenge.

JMO, I hope every woman on the jury recognizes his story for what it really is.

All just a big JMO!!!!!

Judge Judy would ask, “Does she have any history of mental illness? Has she been treated for irrational behavior in the last two years?” SW does not fit the profile if a mother who kills! Almost all of them have long histories of mental illness. And to all of you who say she emasculated C.W., Watch some more videos. Count how many times she says she has the greatest husband in the world. Watch the love on her face when she gives CeCe that candle lit cupcake for her birthday. Watch CeCe glow with love, and happiness, and joy. No way did SW kill those kids.

 

[JudgeJudi]

BUMP

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@Colorado 303

It’s been hard losing her and some of the post-crime character dissection afterward has almost been worse. i can honestly say in the time that I knew her I NEVER ONCE heard Shanann judge another person, speculate on anyone’s character or criticize others behind their back. She was all about encouraging people to be their best, and she was a positive energy in many lives including mine. It warmed my heart to see how genuinely happy she was when one of her friends accomplished something. Job success, weight loss, relationship victories, adult graduations, new babies — she rooted for it all and celebrated when it happened.

She would never have dreamt of questioning someone’s life, motivation and character the way hers is being picked apart by total strangers. And she’s not even here to defend herself. It’s the main reason I decided to go through the effort to be a VI. Everything she valued is being questioned and she deserves to have somebody try to keep baseless rumors at bat. It’s what she would have done in a heartbeat for a friend if she were here.

 

[Randyrhoads]

I wonder

Chris Watts was fired from Anadarko shortly before he was arrested.
Funeral for Shanann Watts, 2 daughters today

I wonder why he was fired before the arrest? What information did they have?

 

[NuttMegg]

Judge Judy would ask, “Does she have any history of mental illness? Has she been treated for irrational behavior in the last two years?” SW does not fit the profile if a mother who kills! Almost all of them have long histories of mental illness. And to all of you who say she emasculated C.W., Watch some more videos. Count how many times she says she has the greatest husband in the world. Watch the love on her face when she gives CeCe that candle lit cupcake for her birthday. Watch CeCe glow with love, and happiness, and joy. No way did SW kill those kids.

I get the vibes from some here, that we should be treating the possibility of either one of them being the murderers of the babies as equal. But all the evidence we know of so far points to him. And, as another poster pointed out (paraphrased), if she killed those kids, and given that we know for sure he desecrated their little bodies afterwards in a manner worse than shoving them into an active outhouse pit, we would have to believe that both parents pretty much hated those kids: one enough to murder them, the other enough to desecrate them. Which is heartbreaking and just not logical.

 

[Asevario]

Here’s a reason, trespassing on company property without authorization, and dumping humans and trash (the sheet).

Again, absolutely plausible if they have surveillance, GPS location on his truck, or some other proof, before his confession. But we do not know what their proof was. My HR brain makes me wonder the when, why, how and what relation it has to the case, if any, I guess. Part of the reason I have not delved into their policies and procedures (many companies are very easily found on the internet) is because there is not a ton of other info available on his actual term. As i said in an earlier post, I am slightly interested, because of other speculations I have read.

EBM: to also use this as a reply to @Mosaic post #69, though not necessarily directed to me.

 

[Mosaic]

I wonder

I wonder why he was fired before the arrest? What information did they have?

Posts #65, 68 and 69 on this thread. Breach of company policies: which includes misuse of property/equipment/material; malicious contamination/damage to supplies, product, inventory, equipment.

 

[MsBetsy]

Here’s a reason, trespassing on company property without authorization, and dumping humans and trash (the sheet).

Right, that's why I was confused about the question. I thought the poster was saying his arrest happened before all of that was known.

 

[Asevario]

Right, that's why I was confused about the question. I thought the poster was saying his arrest happened before all of that was known.

We don't really know when or how all of that was known. as far ask i know, anyway. I could have missed something.

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder

I wonder why he was fired before the arrest? What information did they have?

Prior to Chris' confession investigators arrived at CERVI 319 (with consent) to initiate a drone search of the area. At approximately 4:15 pm investigators spotted a bed sheet in the field near the tank battery. The drone search also revealed fresh movement of dirt consistent with a clandestine grave near the oil tanks.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...18CR2003/001/Warrantless Arrest Affidavit.pdf

 

[Mosaic]

Right, that's why I was confused about the question. I thought the poster was saying his arrest happened before all of that was known.

Is not unusual for HR/Security Department to be on alert when an employee is been on the news. They know they will get contacted by LE, hence, they pull out emails, workplace attendance, HR files which contains warnings, memos, etc. Also, Security Department usually issues a daily Incidental Reports; so it's possible something was caught on camera that justify employment termination before his arrest.