Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #25

[Gardenista]

Child custody laws may not allow her to leave state and uproot them from their father since her job is not placed by location. Adulterous relations don’t matter in divorce there I don’t believe . He had a great record no abuse why would she be allowed to uproot them

IIRC, many threads ago, @gitana1 said per the laws in CO she could have taken them out of state.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

When does that usually stop them though!

Yes, no one has broken ranks so far media-wise. It's impressive. And very unusual, as you say.

 

[NuttMegg]

Child custody laws may not allow her to leave state and uproot them from their father since her job is not placed by location. Adulterous relations don’t matter in divorce there I don’t believe . He had a great record no abuse why would she be allowed to uproot them

If he tried to kick her and her kids out of the house, then he would have a say as to where they moved? Bizarre.

 

[Shekkiec]

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Trinket’s connection is more with CW than Shanann. Colorado was closer to Shanann.

Trinkett has stated she knows them both was my opinion I am not sure what you are implying with Colorado ?

 

[ray9898]

It doesn't? I am here to figure out WHY and also how he did what he is charged with.

Getting to the WHY takes some messy discussions sometimes. If we knew the answer, then all speculation would be directly on point. But since we don't know and are figuring it out as we go, it will be a mess. What other approach is there?

jmo

ETA: forgot a word

Okay....then that should be the rules for the whole picture. If there were relationship dynamics that laid the foundation for the tragedy then it is certainly worth discussion. The problem is the same people who are doing the most speculation on one 'side' are the first to complain when someone looks at the other side of the coin.

If there is to be free discussion of all potential theories you can't have one side being free to add inflammatory speculation while trying to prevent opposing viewpoints from even being discussed.

 

[Marli61]

On this forum? I don't see that as odd. Most people who know murder victims/accused murderers aren't perusing the internet for forums to discuss their deceased/accused loved ones on. I wouldn't expect a bunch of people on either side to show up here and talk about it with us.

Good point Ronso. I really don't think the average person knows boards like this exist. I found WS because I was searching around after this case began looking for information. I stumbled onto WS & the rest is history! Several years ago there was a horrible case in my area of a 12 yr old boy who murdered both his parents & harmed his younger brother & sister extensively. That case bothered me much in the same way as this one does because it was so unusual. I was desperate to find out more but everything was pretty much kept out of the media because he was only 12.

 

[Shekkiec]

If he tried to kick her and her kids out of the house, then he would have a say as to where they moved? Bizarre.

Kicked out?

 

[Gardenista]

Yes, no one has broken ranks so far media-wise. It's impressive. And very unusual, as you say.

I was also going to say how impressive it is. I think it shows how much they care for her.

 

[katydid23]

Child custody laws may not allow her to leave state and uproot them from their father since her job is not placed by location. Adulterous relations don’t matter in divorce there I don’t believe . He had a great record no abuse why would she be allowed to uproot them

Bill Carson, family atty in Co, posted earlier, that while still married, she would be able to take the girls out of state with her. Then when the divorce was being finalized, she would have to make a case for why she wanted to stay in NC.

I think she would be able to justify a move during the hearing. She could say that while she was in a high risk pregnancy, and caring for 2 very young children, her husband asked for a separation because he had a new relationship. So she was forced to go home to her family for help/support.

 

[Tricia]

Sorry for the thread disappearing. That was my fault. It's back now and everything is good.

 

[MerryB]

I tried this on another post, but it went downhill. It’s emotional, I get it, but I’m honestly trying to understand.
So if those are facts, then why would SW be so enraged on that early morning.... if she had heard of CW separation wishes “several times” prior.
That is the point I am trying to understand myself today as I try to reopen my mind.

I understand, Flo, and I’d like to thank you for always being polite in your replies.
I am open to discussion and revising my theories based on new findings & different perspectives. I appreciate people who are the same.

We don’t have to agree, but at least be respectful of one another. I stated this the other day, but was accused of telling others how to post—so I’m not sure how we move forward if we’re not on the same page at least in that regard.

To answer your question, if SW was the one in control of the relationship, and she did not want a separation, her husband may have agreed to try to make things work (at least for a while). But, for whatever reason, let’s imagine he decided it just wasn’t possible, or he no longer wanted to try. When/if he told her this, I’m sure she was shocked, seeing as he outwardly always did as he was told. Perhaps rage then ensued.

(Before y’all bite, I’m just proposing a potential scenario to answer to Flo’s question).

 

[NuttMegg]

Kicked out?

"IF", as I said.

 

[katydid23]

It can be prescribed short term for bronchitis or pneumonia, and I'm not sure what else. Anything that interferes with breathing, I would think. Imo

Well, if a 3 and 4 yr old had pneumonia or bronchitis, then that is a serious health concern in itself.

ANYTHING that required the use of a nebulizer is a health concern. So I don't understand what the point is.

 

[MerryB]

Do you recall in any of SW's many postings does she mention CeCe had celiac disease? Thanks.

IIRC Bella supposedly had Celiac.
CeCe had the tree nut allergy.

 

[Shekkiec]

"IF", as I said.

Ok ok sorry I thought I implied wrong .
Alimony / Maintenance
Here’s what I could find but I’m sure @gitana1 can explain for us

 

[Ronso]

Good point Ronso. I really don't think the average person knows boards like this exist. I found WS because I was searching around after this case began looking for information. I stumbled onto WS & the rest is history! Several years ago there was a horrible case in my area of a 12 yr old boy who murdered both his parents & harmed his younger brother & sister extensively. That case bothered me much in the same way as this one does because it was so unusual. I was desperate to find out more but everything was pretty much kept out of the media because he was only 12.

Same. I was googling news articles and the Websleuths thread for a local murder and kidnapping came up in the search, so I started reading and joined. The murderer lived a few doors down from my kids' elementary school.

 

[SweetPeas56]

Sorry for the thread disappearing. That was my fault. It's back now and everything is good.

Thanks! I was confused. Thought I might have gotten in trouble ha ha

 

[MerryB]

He did do housework. If you dig hard enough on FB you will hear her complimenting on how he has learned to hang clothes instead of dry them.

IIRC she also commented that she had him “trained well.” She claimed she gave advice per her SM to friends on how to “train” their husbands to do housework.
I wish I could’ve gotten some advice!

 

[NuttMegg]

Ok ok sorry I thought I implied wrong .
Alimony / Maintenance
Here’s what I could find but I’m sure @gitana1 can explain for us

Nothing too controversial on my end, all I said was if he tried to kick her and the kids out of the house then it would be bizarre if he also got a say in where she went.

 

[Jennifer17]

Well, if a 3 and 4 yr old had pneumonia or bronchitis, then that is a serious health concern in itself.

ANYTHING that required the use of a nebulizer is a health concern. So I don't understand what the point is.

I don't either.