Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[Seattle1]

@WildWest said: ↑
Thanks, how do we know before LE told him? I've been confused on this from day one of the interviews, there were 3 porch interviews by 3 different news channels here and I "assumed" the one where he stated exact times was a later one after LE informed him of 5:27 ?

I was confused of timing too, until I went to the media thread and it made everything clear. Perhaps others can do that to make their own decisions?

I think it's always been clear: 1:48AM and 5:27AM is not memory, it's evidence-- as in neighbors surveillance camera.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

They "say" the apple watch series 3 is ok to swim in shallow water and to take showers with, but to avoid shampoos, lotions, etc.,

 

[book-thinker]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

The clothes she traveled in, no mention where they were, or if they were missing. If SW showered soon after arriving home, this would give a clue.

 

[PommyMommy]

dixiegirl1035 said: ↑
In addition, possibly?, that he could see Nicole staying there and walking around the house after the first Contact at 12:10 pm. The police weren't called until later, and where is the timeline for that? I'd like a refresher on that. If somebody has that handy. Thank you.

I still am curious why the gap between the time when NU arrived 12 pm as per interview
mark 2:33

and the time when Officer Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40. That is a large gap in time and I am curious why such a gap before notifying the police or the police being dispatched. Not questioning NU just curious what events occurred between noon and 1:40.
NU stated she called CW when she arrived at their home and discovered what she had. So I assume NU called CW just after 12 pm.
Why did CW not come home right away at around just after 12 pm?
I believe it was noted previously that CW work was 40 minutes away (?) therefore if LE arrived at 1:40 and they called CW and he said he was 5 minutes away then it seems CW left work at around 1 pm. I am curious why CW did not leave right away when NU contacted him I am assuming just after 12 pm?

Is there a possibility that between the time NU contacted CW at around 12 pm and from the time he likely left work at assuming 1 pm, did CW dispose of any bodies during that time?

https://mediaassets.thedenverchannel.com/document/2018/08/20/arrest affidavit chris watts_95256653_ver1.0.pdf?_ga=2.238158472.968662190.1537323071-1351606201.1534867774

I'm sorry I can't fill in the gap for you. If there was something reported between 12 pm and 1:40 pm I don't remember it. Anybody?

My impression was that he was stalling her until she couldn't wait anymore and called police.

 

[FlossyMay]

I'm sorry I can't fill in the gap for you. If there was something reported between 12 pm and 1:40 pm I don't remember it. Anybody?

My impression was that he was stalling her until she couldn't wait anymore and called police.

And she was probably calling friends to see where Shanann might be.

 

[borndem]

I’m not an expert, but I highly doubt it. Prints deteriorate based on time and conditions, so figuring out a specific time a print was left, sounds impossible to me.

Agreed. The only possibility I could squeak out of it, would be is if it had rained up until a certain known time in that location, and a footprint was found, and the print was obviously made after the rain had stopped. "We know that the print was made after 8:15 pm on Friday" (or whenever). That possibly could be established by a camera showing rain up until whatever time, and showing no more rain up until the print was found. Just a w/a guess. The weather and the camera would have to cooperate. A stretch, yes...

 

[Deleted member 230544]

JerseyWasHome2 said: ↑
His feet may have been bare in the house as he placed the children and SW in the bags? Or as he used the bags for god knows what. Maybe it just ties him to the scene more, as proof that his print is on a bag found at the crime scene. In case his next confession claims he didn't do any of what he said he did!


Bluff:
If the bag was located in the dumping site and presumably it was used in the acts of crimes in the home, and if CW was barefoot in the home and he stepped on the bag somehow while maneuvering it and sweat or oil deposited on to the bag and then when in the oil field dirt attached itself to the bag via the foot oils. Sorry for long running sentence.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I'm unable to keep current with these threads, so I apologize if this has already been suggested. Could he have removed his shoes at the oil field in order to not leave any boot-prints? Maybe he wore thin socks, I believe he was wearing that type of socks in the Pie in the Face video. It seems like a painful walk through the dirt w/o shoes/boots, but if he'd watched enough crime dramas maybe he figured he should go barefoot. Just a thought.

I noticed he was wearing flip flops in one of his interviews. Maybe he was in such a hurry when he was leaving the house he didn't even think about his shoes. I think it's possible they weren't working out very well for him once he got to the oil field and he took them off. Or maybe he left the house not really knowing what he was going to do with the bodies, started driving and came up with a plan.
jmo, moo, imo

 

[BeckyF]

I cannot imagine. Stepped on one bag while placing a child in the other. If he put them in garbage bags, why did he remove them at dump site? I don't think this case can get any stranger. This man has lived 34 years, and I don't think even his parents knew him. Who is he?

I've been wondering the same thing. Unless there is someone hiding in the woodworks who has a clue who he really is.

 

[kirkassoc]

I'm unable to keep current with these threads, so I apologize if this has already been suggested. Could he have removed his shoes at the oil field in order to not leave any boot-prints? Maybe he wore thin socks, I believe he was wearing that type of socks in the Pie in the Face video. It seems like a painful walk through the dirt w/o shoes/boots, but if he'd watched enough crime dramas maybe he figured he should go barefoot. Just a thought.

I think that anyone dumb enough to leave one of your matching bedsheets at a crime scene would not be smart enough to take off his shoes? But, I could be wrong. He just doesn't strike me as having much "common sense." He may be intelligent, but intelligence without common sense, is like a load of books on the back of an *advertiser censored*. MOO

 

[BeanieBod]

It is stating they have found Footprints from a bag that was found at the scene? Oh dear, were those the bags that the children were in or...

OMG, if he took those babies out of the bags to drop them in the tanks... I think I will go throw up now from typing that. Just sick.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

They "say" the apple watch series 3 is ok to swim in shallow water and to take showers with, but to avoid shampoos, lotions, etc.,

Hi TippyLynn, in the last photo known of SW in AZ, SW was not wearing any watches, bracelets etc so not sure if SW was wearing a watch when she returned home.

 

[WildWest]

I was confused of timing too, until I went to the media thread and it made everything clear. Perhaps others can do that to make their own decisions?

Thanks I just saw all the different interviews at 7am, 11 or noon, than again at 5pm and 10pm and could not tell which was what. That and I already blew past my monthly satellite internet data allowance (grr)

 

[Mosaic]

Prosecutors will want to rule out any unidentified prints at the murder scene. They need to tie it to him or his lawyers could argue LE ignored an unidentified print on an item found at the scene. That opens the door to someone else being involved (additionally or SODDI).

BBM
Totally agree!
An accomplice? That's my theory/speculation/theoretical scenario. JMO

 

[borndem]

Yah, just leave any thing that were used to carry the bodies. Looks like it. I wonder what else he left.. a shovel?

No kidding.
First of all, he left his brain some freakin' where before this whole thing started. What an idiot. SMH.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Hi TippyLynn, in the last photo known of SW in AZ, SW was not wearing any watches, bracelets etc so not sure if SW was wearing a watch when she returned home.

Hi Bluff - it's hard to say. I guess we'll have to wait it out

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I noticed he was wearing flip flops in one of his interviews. Maybe he was in such a hurry when he was leaving the house he didn't even think about his shoes. I think it's possible they weren't working out very well for him once he got to the oil field and he took them off. OIr maybe he left the house not really knowing what he was going to do with the bodies, started driving and came up with a plan.
jmo, moo, imo

I am thinking that CW would be wearing his work boots the morning he disposed of his family because he was going to work directly afterwards. That is why I am thinking that he may have stepped on the bag while putting body/bodies in the bag while in the home and somehow something stuck to that imprint in the field. Possibly?
Keep in mind, there could have been body fluids on the bodies when CW was transferring them in whatever he transferred them in.

 

[leAnnRyn]

I think the bags were to conceal the kids bodies, with a bedsheet used to cover SW’s body.

Once he reached the dump site, he removed the bags, as they could have potentially preserved physical evidence.

Just a guess.

I’ve not read where they found a bag at the dump site? Is this new information?

 

[sun16]

They said a barefoot footprint on the bag. If he had them in trash bags it could just as easily have been a footprint of one of the victims.

That’s a good point, but likely the only print that would be close to a match size-wise is SW’s foot print. She’s too big to be put into a garbage bag. Unless he wrapped part of her in bags + the sheet at the house, where he was barefoot. The girls’s foot prints should be too noticeably small. Maybe it’s a bag he stepped on at home to dispose of the girls. It’ll be interesting to see if they were thrown into the tanks inside garbage bags, or if they were only transported up to the tanks in bags, and one of the bags was found at the field scene. He probably didn’t want to be at the field very long. Rushed job.

 

[nwmouse]

I’ve not read where they found a bag at the dump site? Is this new information?

Yes, it was reported today.