Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[Nudgee]

With all that has come out in the past few days, my head is spinning! I feel like a hamster on a wheel trying to keep up with it all. Thankfully I can read all the theories/opinions you all have to slow the wheel down somewhat. The request for footprints has me real curious as to why! For some reason I’m beginning to think the games have just begun!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks for your feedback. I'm still debating, but my hunch is the accomplice was present/active for the disposal, not during the murdering stage.
Since, he is sticking to his version of him strangling SW because she strangled the babies and he confessed to the bodies location; I see it as in protective mode.
Unless he TALKS, there is no way to out an accomplice until you get solid proof.

My hunch? IF there is an accomplice, LE is aware of that, gathering evidence and most probably play the immunity card.

JMO

I've never heard this scenario put forth, and I don't think it's credible and there is not anything to support it at all even a speculation. My opinion.

 

[Charlot123]

Warning: graphic post about lividity

I keep thinking about him throwing his children's bodies in the oil tanks. ANY disposal other than a proper burial would disgust me, but to throw them into something that has literally caused environmental catastrophes (BP oil spill, Alaska oil spill, etc.) just seems a little extra. I've seen people post that perhaps CW wasn't thinking clearly or, worse, didn't think it was so bad in those oil tanks. And then I've seen people post that we shouldn't judge because we weren't in his shoes.

It IS true that your mind kind of goes a little crazy when your child dies. Your body can fill with adrenaline. Biology starts taking over and you're not always aware of why you're reacting in the way that you are. With that being said, though...

I live in the mountains in a very rural community. When I found my son, he was dead and it was clear that he'd been gone for quite some time. The ONLY reason that the paramedics took him to the hospital instead of just calling the coroner out to the house is because this is a small town, everyone knows everyone, and they wanted to treat me with respect. Though it was obvious that he was gone, they even went through the motions of revival when they certainly didn't have to.

There were only 2 paramedics on duty-the driver and the one in the back. As they got ready to take off, one grabbed my arm and threw me into the back of the ambulance with the stretcher. He wanted to intubate my son but he needed help. He engaged the tube and then told me to hold onto it. I tried, I really did, but my hand was shaking so hard that I lost my grip and it fell out. As I sat there crying and apologizing, ALL I could think was, "We can't put that back into his mouth. It's dirty! I can't put something that's been on the floor in my child's mouth."

The coroner was hunting on one of our mountains and it took 4 hours for him to be contacted and to get to the hospital. The staff allowed me to stay in the examination room with my son during that time. The police came in, asked their questions, I spoke to the organ donation people, etc but mostly I sat right there in a chair pulled up to his bed. At some point, lividity began to set in. His sweet little rosy skin turned blue and purple and splotchy. The worst part, however, was that fluids began to leak. A thin trail of blood and fluid began trickling out his nose. It didn't make me sad, it made me ANGRY. That something was defiling his perfect little face filled me with rage. For more than a hour, I sat there with a wet paper towel in my hand, wiping away the fluid. Even though he was dead, I couldn't stand to see something like that marring his skin.

I've been a member of many child loss support groups over the past 10 years. My experience was not unique. While the causes of death and our ongoing reaction to grief might have differed, however, one of the main things we have had in common is that we were ALL fastidious in making sure that care was taken with our children's bodies after they were gone.

Care was not taken with Bella and Cece. Whether they were thrown into an oil tank or taken to the woods and covered with debris, they were discarded.

CW seems to be a man who cares about his appearance: he has lost weight and toned up and has a manicured beard. He wears nice clothes. Yet he apparently thought nothing of crude oil marring his daughters' skin, matting their hair. And I was worried about a one-inch stream of blood.

So sorry for what happened to you and your child.

It is so sad and unfair. Words fail me because it does not have to happen to parents. Very sorry.

But you did not lose the contact with your boy when he died. He was gone, but your love, your feelings to him stayed. The same about other members of your group. This is how I read your post. It is not about lividity, it is about still loving your child and feeling the connection to him after death.

CW did not have contact with his girls, lost this feeling of love, attachment, I wonder if he ever had it, when they were alive. SW mentioned that CW became distant, and in her videos, he does not demonstrate any connection to the kids. To him, it was not about a desperate attempt to keep the child with him for a little bit longer, but more like, I have done part I, now to part II. The house might have felt eery quiet to him, in this he was probably true, but his kids were not his whole life. He did not love them.

 

[Mosaic]

what would be the basis for that speculation though? I just read a post about baseless speculation somewhere on one of these threads

We have no basis, from the Prosecution/LE for AP being an accomplice in these crimes. We've been told the co-worker is cooperating though.

what would be the basis for that speculation though? I just read a post about baseless speculation somewhere on one of these threads

We have no basis, from the Prosecution/LE for AP being an accomplice in these crimes. We've been told the co-worker is cooperating though.

Did I mentioned anywhere on my post that I'm implying it is the AP? Nope. I just reread my post. So, what is your question?
For the record, all speculations are mostly baseless; that's why they are called speculations/theories/opinions/theoretical scenarios; some speculations are based on proven facts and theoretical elements. My theory includes an accomplice.

 

[human]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

 

[Mrspratcher]

Wow, reading those filings and responses and orders have given me a headache. However, I may be in the minority when I say that his defense team needs to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Then he will have very little basis for appeals.

@Mrspratcher , do they have some form of boiler plate filing software and research tools? I am just curious about the process that I find fascinating. Thanks.

Yes, they will have form motions/orders/responses depending on the legal issue that they can further tailor to each clients defense.

Westlaw and Lexis Nexis are two databases used for legal research.

 

[nwmouse]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

You're correct, I travel a LOT and the first thing I do when I get home is leave my shoes in the garage (ugh those plane toilet floors are so filthy!) and hit the shower. Then I go to sleep.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

dixiegirl1035 said: ↑
In addition, possibly?, that he could see Nicole staying there and walking around the house after the first Contact at 12:10 pm. The police weren't called until later, and where is the timeline for that? I'd like a refresher on that. If somebody has that handy. Thank you.

Officer Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40 pm.

I still am curious why the gap between the time when NU arrived 12 pm as per interview
mark 2:33

and the time when Officer Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40. That is a large gap in time and I am curious why such a gap before notifying the police or the police being dispatched. Not questioning NU just curious what events occurred between noon and 1:40.
NU stated she called CW when she arrived at their home and discovered what she had. So I assume NU called CW just after 12 pm.
Why did CW not come home right away at around just after 12 pm?
I believe it was noted previously that CW work was 40 minutes away (?) therefore if LE arrived at 1:40 and they called CW and he said he was 5 minutes away then it seems CW left work at around 1 pm. I am curious why CW did not leave right away when NU contacted him I am assuming just after 12 pm?

Is there a possibility that between the time NU contacted CW at around 12 pm and from the time he likely left work at assuming 1 pm, did CW dispose of any bodies during that time?

https://mediaassets.thedenverchannel.com/document/2018/08/20/arrest affidavit chris watts_95256653_ver1.0.pdf?_ga=2.238158472.968662190.1537323071-1351606201.1534867774

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Thanks, how do we know before LE told him? I've been confused on this from day one of the interviews, there were 3 porch interviews by 3 different news channels here and I "assumed" the one where he stated exact times was a later one after LE informed him of 5:27 ?

I was confused of timing too, until I went to the media thread and it made everything clear. Perhaps others can do that to make their own decisions?

 

[Mosaic]

I've never heard this scenario put forth, and I don't think it's credible and there is not anything to support it at all even a speculation. My opinion.

Well, the same way you are entitled to your opinion, speculations and theories, so am I. Unless there is something on the TOS that I have missed. If so, please let me know.

*my right as a WS member within the TOS, as far as I know.

 

[FlossyMay]

What clothing Shanann had on when her body was found will determine if she was killed right away (still in her flight clothes) or killed later (possibly in her nightgown/pjs).

 

[cailleach]

I mean, I don't blame them one bit... If my sister and her two sweet girls were missing under suspicious circumstances, and then LE told us something like "Chris gave us information, and we are now heading out to where the bodies may be"..... Yeah

I agree but I'd like to add that he only decided to give them information after they had seen the sheet with a drone from what I recall and were going to start searching the area. He knew at that point they would at least find SW, and confessing to her murder also provided him with the opportunity to blame her for the girls. My impression is that if they hadn't been searching that area (probably GPS let them know he'd been in the area/his employer) he would have continued lying and playing dumb as to their whereabouts. He believed he was going to walk away unscathed as the poor guy whose wife had left because she couldn't stand the thought of life without him. JMO because criminals of this type often believe they are the smartest person in the room.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Hi Rachel! Do change your name or open a new account. I've seen the horrific posts on the other forums and they are even copying and pasting text and making screenshots of posts here and pasting them over there. You don't need to be hunted down and harassed if this is your real name. Be safe.

@Rachel Brower I reported your post asking the mods to help you out.

 

[kirkassoc]

A bag was found at the dump site. The DA has requested that CW provide his footprints, in order to identify atleast one latent print found on the bag.

I cannot imagine. Stepped on one bag while placing a child in the other. If he put them in garbage bags, why did he remove them at dump site? I don't think this case can get any stranger. This man has lived 34 years, and I don't think even his parents knew him. Who is he?

 

[BelleIsle]

His feet may have been bare in the house as he placed the children and SW in the bags? Or as he used the bags for god knows what. Maybe it just ties him to the scene more, as proof that his print is on a bag found at the crime scene. In case his next confession claims he didn't do any of what he said he did!

I'm unable to keep current with these threads, so I apologize if this has already been suggested. Could he have removed his shoes at the oil field in order to not leave any boot-prints? Maybe he wore thin socks, I believe he was wearing that type of socks in the Pie in the Face video. It seems like a painful walk through the dirt w/o shoes/boots, but if he'd watched enough crime dramas maybe he figured he should go barefoot. Just a thought.

 

[Mosaic]

I've never heard this scenario put forth, and I don't think it's credible and there is not anything to support it at all even a speculation. My opinion.

You are entitled to your opinion as I'm entitled to have one.

 

[MassGuy]

I cannot imagine. Stepped on one bag while placing a child in the other. If he put them in garbage bags, why did he remove them at dump site? I don't think this case can get any stranger. This man has lived 34 years, and I don't think even his parents knew him. Who is he?

I think the bags were to conceal the kids bodies, with a bedsheet used to cover SW’s body.

Once he reached the dump site, he removed the bags, as they could have potentially preserved physical evidence.

Just a guess.

 

[MassGuy]

Duplicate. Delete

 

[nwmouse]

What clothing Shanann had on when her body was found will determine if she was killed right away (still in her flight clothes) or killed later (possibly in her nightgown/pjs).

Yikes, I hope she wasn't killed in the shower. @human mentioned that SW likely showered when she got home after the flight as flying makes one feel gross and grubby.

 

[FlossyMay]

I cannot imagine. Stepped on one bag while placing a child in the other. If he put them in garbage bags, why did he remove them at dump site? I don't think this case can get any stranger. This man has lived 34 years, and I don't think even his parents knew him. Who is he?

If he removed them from the bags at the dumpsite, I would imagine he did so in order to adjust their bodies to fit into the tanks. However, we don't know where exactly the bag was found. It could have been inside the tank perhaps.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm unable to keep current with these threads, so I apologize if this has already been suggested. Could he have removed his shoes at the oil field in order to not leave any boot-prints? Maybe he wore thin socks, I believe he was wearing that type of socks in the Pie in the Face video. It seems like a painful walk through the dirt w/o shoes/boots, but if he'd watched enough crime dramas maybe he figured he should go barefoot. Just a thought.

I suppose that’s possible. But having the sense to cover one’s feet, is contrary to the reckless actions of leaving that evidence behind at the crime scene. This includes that bedsheet as well.