Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #28

[dgfred]

Ignoring temper-tantrums works most of the time.

 

[Kensie]

CW wanted freedom and chose the worst way to get it.

 

[cottonweaver]

It happens, yes. And they generally kill their husband, not the children.

I thought it was 12/59 ratio on female/male Family Annihalators research study but I don't recall that part. (bib)

 

[Whiteorchids]

Ignoring temper-tantrums works most of the time.

When my boys were young I used headphones.

 

[Yvettea]

Do you think it looked nasty then? Unless greatly zoomed in, it appeared pretty insignificant to me.

The mark on Chris’ neck looked significant to me. I would love to see what wounds LE may have found on him.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I agree as that point stuck out to me too. I see no evidence of this being planned for weeks. It was all too last minute IMO to have been anything but spontaneous.

It need not have been planned for weeks to fit the legal definition of premeditation.

 

[sun16]

This is where I'm at as well. It fit's the timeline, their normal morning wake up time and with the dog. jmo

Seriously—SW would want to get up at 4am after just going to bed (maybe) at 2am? Why not sleep in later just that one day, since plane was late, not feeling well, Dr appointment, etc. 2 hours of sleep seems silly. I had mentioned yesterday I am torn 50/50 on who died where and when in the house. I am also torn 50/50 if ... SW and CW ever even went to sleep at all Sunday night / Monday early AM. Or, if there was even “a conversation”. Maybe there was no conversation that night and there was only a killing. I don’t know what to make of the dog wailing — how sure is the person who heard the noise, what time EXACTLY, and could it have been a person versus a dog. Digitally, it will also be interesting to see the activity from SW’s phone, the exact times, and if they can find out if she spoke to the girls after, say, 3pm on Sunday—after the party but before 7 or 8pm.

 

[Tigerlily75]

In reference to restraining CW we don't know yet that he didn't do exactly that. IMO

I’m not sure what you mean. That makes even less sense. He killed her. It would be even weirder if he managed to restrain her, and then not get any kind of help for his kids, and - - then - cold bloodedly kill his wife.

If he restrained her, that would be the perfect time to call 911 for an ambulance! Scream, run to the neighbors with baby Celeste in his arms, begging for help. Something. Anything!

It makes no sense and I know of no precedent for such a story.

You would save your kids. That would be your number one goal. I’m not sure group psychosis is a proven phenomen and it’s really hard to believe they both went insane at the same time.

From his confession, she was “actively strangling” Celeste.

He could have saved her. At least given it a red hot go. And he didn’t,

No calls to 911 were made. The neighbors heard nothing,

 

[PommyMommy]

I keep hearing about the dogs wailing at 5:15 am. I've never seen that documented at that time. Does anybody have a link or is this a rumor that is getting legs?

I have never seen a time. I don't know where 5:15 came from, but I sure could have missed it.
Neighbor says Chris Watts “cared more about the dog” than pregnant wife and 2 toddlers he allegedly killed
On the day the family disappeared, however, the barking was different.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I didn't know that - going to see if I can find a link for it.

I can't figure out how to multi quote on different pages, but your post was in response to if the Thayer's were asking him to do the media interviews. They were there at the time of the interviews. Here is a photo of them that day standing beside him right before or during or after the interviews.

Pregnant Colorado mother and two daughters reported missing

 

[sun16]

PS: regarding the supposed dog wailing. If it happened at all, it could be confused with a child or woman wailing. ?

 

[cottonweaver]

I keep hearing about the dogs wailing at 5:15 am. I've never seen that documented at that time. Does anybody have a link or is this a rumor that is getting legs?

It was def on an earlier link, with neighbour call for dog welfare check, as I incorporated it into my first long- pre-med theory/scenario, 20 threads back

 

[Poppyflower]

Mom who killed kids after husband asked for divorce gets 120 years in prison
Many times women snap when feel as if they are being abandoned

Men too. We see it so many times here on WS.

 

[MerryB]

Hi I’m new. Hope you don’t mind me joining in. Have been following this for a number of weeks.

I see emotion at a number of points in the Denver7 interview. Most obviously around the 3.54 point for 4 or 5 seconds - where he says “Wherever they’re at come home. That’s what I want - come home”

He bites his lip, blinks a number of times and looks as though he’s about to cry. It’s the most genuine emotion in the whole interview. To me a glimpse of how he really feels. Your average person at that point would have burst into tears. But he stops himself. Don’t know why.

Interesting to me also that in a couple of interviews when he says the word “monitor” he seems to have a physical reaction - shuts his eyes, squints, grimaces and his eyes go sort of out of focus JMO. Only lasts a second or two but it is definitely there.

Sometimes with someone as quiet and introverted as CW, it’s the small things that are a window to how he’s really feeling IMO.

Welcome to WS @Applecross ! I agree with you. I also saw emotion in his court appearance. The way he was pulling in his lips is what people tend to do when they are trying not to cry.
This leads me to ask if anyone here is from the South (US)? I think that might explain some of this repression of emotion that we witness in both TV appearances.

 

[cottonweaver]

I can't figure out how to multi quote on different pages, but your post was in response to if the Thayer's were asking him to do the media interviews. They were there at the time of the interviews. Here is a photo of them that day standing beside him right before or during or after the interviews.

Pregnant Colorado mother and two daughters reported missing


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wow!
never seen that before. Tx Dixie

 

[MrsWatson]

Hi I’m new. Hope you don’t mind me joining in. Have been following this for a number of weeks.

I see emotion at a number of points in the Denver7 interview. Most obviously around the 3.54 point for 4 or 5 seconds - where he says “Wherever they’re at come home. That’s what I want - come home”

He bites his lip, blinks a number of times and looks as though he’s about to cry. It’s the most genuine emotion in the whole interview. To me a glimpse of how he really feels. Your average person at that point would have burst into tears. But he stops himself. Don’t know why.

Interesting to me also that in a couple of interviews when he says the word “monitor” he seems to have a physical reaction - shuts his eyes, squints, grimaces and his eyes go sort of out of focus JMO. Only lasts a second or two but it is definitely there.

Sometimes with someone as quiet and introverted as CW, it’s the small things that are a window to how he’s really feeling IMO.

Welcome, Applecross!

Intriguing opinion, can't say I'd disagree.

 

[PommyMommy]

Seriously—SW would want to get up at 4am after just going to bed (maybe) at 2am? Why not sleep in later just that one day, since plane was late, not feeling well, Dr appointment, etc. 2 hours of sleep seems silly. I had mentioned yesterday I am torn 50/50 on who died where and when in the house. I am also torn 50/50 if ... SW and CW ever even went to sleep at all Sunday night / Monday early AM. Or, if there was even “a conversation”. Maybe there was no conversation that night and there was only a killing. I don’t know what to make of the dog wailing — how sure is the person who heard the noise, what time EXACTLY, and could it have been a person versus a dog. Digitally, it will also be interesting to see the activity from SW’s phone, the exact times, and if they can find out if she spoke to the girls after, say, 3pm on Sunday—after the party but before 7 or 8pm.

BBM I believe it was the dog since the neighbor's indicated he got their attention frequently.
Neighbor says Chris Watts “cared more about the dog” than pregnant wife and 2 toddlers he allegedly killed

 

[sun16]

I am guessing it didn't show anything new from the night before... or we probably would have heard what her last calls/txt were and who to. I am also thinking it was turned off... or he might have thrown it in her purse or something. No need to leave it in the couch.

All this wouldn’t come out till the trial—like most other evidence.

 

[Whiteorchids]

The mark on Chris’ neck looked significant to me. I would love to see what wounds LE may have found on him.

I keep thinking if any scratches on his chest and back under the fav shirt he was wearing SW bought him.

 

[cottonweaver]

Hi I’m new. Hope you don’t mind me joining in. Have been following this for a number of weeks.

I see emotion at a number of points in the Denver7 interview. Most obviously around the 3.54 point for 4 or 5 seconds - where he says “Wherever they’re at come home. That’s what I want - come home”

He bites his lip, blinks a number of times and looks as though he’s about to cry. It’s the most genuine emotion in the whole interview. To me a glimpse of how he really feels. Your average person at that point would have burst into tears. But he stops himself. Don’t know why.

Interesting to me also that in a couple of interviews when he says the word “monitor” he seems to have a physical reaction - shuts his eyes, squints, grimaces and his eyes go sort of out of focus JMO. Only lasts a second or two but it is definitely there.

Sometimes with someone as quiet and introverted as CW, it’s the small things that are a window to how he’s really feeling IMO.

welcome Applecross ( one of my favourite places in Scotland BTW)

Re analysis of the interviews, this was the best analysis I read which I posted back in the first threads in August. See what you think of it, if you haven't already. It's a long twitter thread.
Dr. Jack Brown on Twitter

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It was on the Monday afternoon when NUA was still there, affadavit seemed to say.
Could be by Coonrod, CW or even NUA who found it amongst those cushions.

Since there would be no reason to search in the couch cushions, and they did not have a warrant to search an only could look at visual stuff, this leads me to believe that her phone was on and the coal or somebody was calling her phone and that is how they located it.

Additionally, Nicole and her friends and even he said that he left a message, but no one mentioned it went straight to voicemail which it would do if the phone was off, isn't that correct?